In America, atheists are still in the closet

[EdSed]

Double Fine wrote:

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However, our cardinal sin is not having strong opposition - thus our leaders are held to very low standards.

You sound mistaken to me. Bad people will cause the best system to fail and good people will make a bad system work.

Many people cannot see the harm that unprincipled people do because it is out of sight and out of mind. And the immoral are manipulative and deceitful. Quality of personnel is even more important than structure. Anything but the paralysis apparent in the US model.

JMHO

[Double Fine]

EdSed wrote:

<quoted text>You sound mistaken to me. Bad people will cause the best system to fail and good people will make a bad system work.
Many people cannot see the harm that unprincipled people do because it is out of sight and out of mind. And the immoral are manipulative and deceitful. Quality of personnel is even more important than structure. Anything but the paralysis apparent in the US model.
JMHO

Very well said.

As a footnote: Zuma earns more than Obama. Our voters do not punish him for that massive salary.

A second footnote: Mandela cut his salary by half after receiving his first paycheck. What a man.

[ChristineM]

Double Fine wrote:

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Very well said.
As a footnote: Zuma earns more than Obama. Our voters do not punish him for that massive salary.
A second footnote: Mandela cut his salary by half after receiving his first paycheck. What a man.

What a man

[Double Fine]

ChristineM wrote:

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What a man

He is an absolute giant. An icon of mine.

[ChristineM]

Double Fine wrote:

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He is an absolute giant. An icon of mine.

et moi

[barefoot2626]

SupaAFC wrote:

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And I have demonstrated that the CoE

You "demonstrated" the members of the House of Common had the power to dissolve Parliament for ten days before finally admitting that you were wrong.

And of course, I pointed out that you were wrong minutes after you posted it.

And you confused the House of Commons with the Lords, not me.

And you insisted you voted for people that you never voted for.

I merely pointed out that you lied.

Tell us, darling: WHO APPOINTS THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF LORDS?

It doesn't take three paragraphs, it can been done with one word.

[barefoot2626]

SupaAFC wrote:

And even if we pretended that you were correct or even went further and pretended that the CoE appointed not just the Lords Spiritual, but the whole of the House of Lords...

This is yet another of a long string of lies.

Just as you insisted that I said subjects of the realm didn't get to vote for members of the Parliament.

I've asked you for two weeks to back this statement: of course you can't, I NEVER EVER said this.

Spin, spin, spin.

[barefoot2626]

SupaAFC wrote:

... really, so what? The Lords have been stripped of any real power since 1911.

You also say the monarch has no power yet the monarch can dismiss the entire government.

If he/she is so inclined.

No matter how hard you stomp your feet.

But one lie at a time: do show us where I said you didn't have any vote.

[barefoot2626]

SupaAFC wrote:

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If Barefoot's arguments had any basis in reality.

I guess you forgot already, SuperFAG, that you have already conceded that you were wrong about the House of Commons having the power to dissolve the Parliament and my argument based in reality: the Queen... was correct.

It isn't my fault that it takes you ten days of having it crammed up your azz to make you admit you are wrong even when it is clear to everyone here that I have my foot there.

We are now moving to your claim that I said that there was no vote for the House of Commons.

I say you are a liar (a liar... again).

Do stop diverting.

Though of course you can try to answer the question: WHAT ONE PERSON APPOINTS MEMBERS TO THE HOUSE OF LORDS?

[barefoot2626]

SupaAFC wrote:

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If Barefoot's arguments had any basis in reality then we would see no mosques,

Funny how all of SuperFAG's witty responses come back to things that Barefoot has never said?

[barefoot2626]

Khatru wrote:

Take the anti-atheist legislation that exists in various state constitutions. Are these laws in place? Yes, they certainly are.

Has there been a Supreme Court ruling saying that they are unconstitutional?

Why, yes there is. Posted long ago.

Does KowKow understand that unconstitutional laws cannot be enforced?

Apparently not.

[Gods shoeshine]

Double Fine wrote:

<quoted text>Yep. Democracy, where a white vote counts as much as a black one, where a gay vote counts as much as a straight one, where a Christian vote counts as much as a Muslim one.

Horrible concept, right?

yes democracy two wolfs and a sheep voting on dinner. We are a republic look it up before calling me the idiot

[Gods shoeshine]

It's the fact that we are a republic that grants gays the same rights as heteros a democracy would favor the majority that doesn't have Wicca books and fairy posters in her room at age 43

[Khatru]

Lil Ticked wrote:

<quoted text>Unjust laws should not be followed.
"One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law."
-Martin Luther King, Jr.

Ah well, there goes pretty much all religion.

[Buck Crick]

barefoot2626 wrote:

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Has there been a Supreme Court ruling saying that they are unconstitutional?
Why, yes there is. Posted long ago.
Does KowKow understand that unconstitutional laws cannot be enforced?
Apparently not.

Wrong.

Unconstitutional laws can be and are enforced all the time.

Example: ObamaCare

[Clark Griswold]

Buck Crick wrote:

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Wrong.
Unconstitutional laws can be and are enforced all the time.
Example: ObamaCare

Bucky, Good to see you're alive and well. Where the hell you been? There was a rumor going around that Fountain and PeeBob dropped a 200 lb. anvil on your head as a practical joke.

[Buck Crick]

ChristineM wrote:

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Propaganda?
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-mi...
http://news.sky.com/story/987153/has-romney-h...
OK now lets look at the dollar against the pound for the last 10 years
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/...
Can you see a pattern of how it was rapidly getting screwed and worthless until the stabilising influence of this administration?
Ask the filmmaker if his policy of hatred yielded the results he expected. Obama DID not realise that film, Obama cannot be blamed for releasing that film. Obama cannot be blamed for inciting hatred. Although I could never condone violence (unlike you) I do believe that people are responsible for their actions so lets think who actually is RESPONSIBLE for releasing that film, was it the filmmaker or was it the president?
Funnily enough that half also have the vote, that’s democracy for ya.

Neither the film maker or the film had anything to do with the violence.

Sorry you are against the First Amendment.

Any other parts of the Bill of Rights you want to do away with?

Or just when free speech doesn't suit you?

You are an idiot, and an apologist for muslim terrorists.

Congratulations.

[barefoot2626]

Buck Crick wrote:

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Wrong.
Unconstitutional laws can be and are enforced all the time.
Example: ObamaCare

When you get elected Queen of the United States, you get to dismiss SCOTUS and say constitutional laws are unconstitutional, Fatty.

[wolverine]

Double Fine wrote:

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Wow, do you want to credit the successful termination of Bin Laden to William Colt as well? How about the ancient Chinese, who invented gunpowder?
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You have no idea how international business work. GM was able to exploit markets in China, Russia and Korea. I would know.
Do you, as Republican doubt the value of foreign valuta entering your borders? I am not surprised

What Part Of They Took Billions In A Bailout And Sent It And Its Jobs Overseas, Dont You Get ?

I Am Paying For That Bailout, Against My And The Majorities Wishes.

Because You Dont Live Here And Havent A Clue, Let Me Educate You....Nothing That Comes In From Foreign Soil Is Worth A Crap....Worthless Junk. Nothing Compares To Americas Manufacturing Or Quality.

The Imbeciles That Have Run This Country Over The Last 20 Years Or So, Have Also Allowed Unfair Trade From China, Japan, ETC....

I Think O'le Hilary Actually Made The Call On Bin Laden While Urcle Hid In The Corner. But The Point Is, Without The Interrogation From The Bush Admin, The Location Of Osama Would Not Have Been Known. Now, I Believe Both Bush And Obammy Wanted To Let Him Live, And Im Not Sure Hes Even Dead. He Worked For The CIA, And Has Something On Them Because Clinton, Bush, And Obammy, Chose To Let Him Go.

The Truth Most Times Is Stranger Then Fiction.

[Aura Mytha]

Double Fine wrote:

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From this side of the pond, you are sadly mistaken.

No DF you are disillusioned the president of the US has little effect on world economy , other than a persona of fortune or misfortune. The Fed Reserve does though , they have everything to do with it. Of course if a president pushes and creates a war it has impact. But if there will be war party lines mean nothing, it's above them. War will happen if the conditions are there for war regardless of the controlling party at the time.