Patrick

United States

#783 Jul 20, 2014
Whatever the scope and duration of the Israeli ground offensive into the Gaza Strip a number of things are already clear. It will not end with the toppling of the Hamas regime or the re-occupation of Gaza by the Israeli army.

It will end in a truce brokered by outside players like Egypt. And the situation will return to what it was before this latest upsurge in fighting, at least until the next time.

So what then is Israel seeking to achieve by going into Gaza?

In the first instance the decision to give the green light to a ground phase may have a relatively limited objective - to seek out and destroy tunnels constructed by Hamas and other groups which they hope to use as a means of infiltrating heavily armed fighters into Israel.

One such operation was thwarted in the early hours of Thursday morning. Some 13 Palestinian fighters emerged from a tunnel between Kerem Shalom and Kibbutz Sufa, east of the Gaza Strip, at around 04:00 (01:00 GMT). Israeli troops quickly intercepted the intruders who took casualties and were forced back into the tunnel.

Infiltration attempts - either via tunnels or by landings on the Israeli coast - have been a relatively new tactic from the Palestinians in this crisis and Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made an explicit reference to the tunnels when he announced his decision to give a green light to a ground mission.

If this is the initial driver of the operation then any incursion might be limited to the perimeter of the Gaza Strip with accompanying sea-borne raids.

However moving to a ground operation carries significant risks. For a start Israel's own forces could become vulnerable. The Palestinian fighters have a significant underground infrastructure and a number of relatively advanced anti-tank missiles. They will try to inflict casualties or seize individual soldiers to act as a bargaining chip.

But of course by far the greatest risk once heavy ground weapons become involved and there are localised firefights is to the civilian population.

This potentially could set a timeline for the operation since casualties will prompt ever greater international concern and pressure to halt any operation within as short a time period as possible.

In fact for all the Israeli talk about reducing Hamas's military infrastructure and so on, the Israeli military will be reluctant to go too deeply into densely populated areas.

If past experience is anything to go by Israel may seek to cut major roads and divide the Gaza Strip into zones within which its forces will operate.
Temporary end

But the primary aim is to bring pressure to bear on Hamas and other Palestinian groups to accept a ceasefire.

Israel does not want to take back control of the Gaza Strip. It wants a return to calm.

Israeli military analysts believe that Hamas is now on the back foot. Its efforts to take the battle to Israel through long-range rockets aimed at Israeli cities or by infiltration attempts have largely failed.

For whatever reason - and the inter-Arab politics and inter-Palestinian dynamics are complicating factors - no deal has so far been reached.

But that is the only way this struggle will end. And of course in a fundamental sense it will not end because Palestinian bitterness and sense of grievance will continue.

The impossible position of the Gaza Strip wedged between a hostile Egypt and Israel will continue. And in the absence of any broader peace initiative on the horizon, once Operation Protective Edge is over, the countdown will begin towards the next upsurge in violence. BBC News
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#784 Jul 23, 2014
Lincockisms.
Patrick wrote:
Whatever the scope and duration of the Israeli ground offensive into the Gaza Strip a number of things are already clear. It will not end with the toppling of the Hamas regime or the re-occupation of Gaza by the Israeli army.
It will end in a truce brokered by outside players like Egypt. And the situation will return to what it was before this latest upsurge in fighting, at least until the next time.
So what then is Israel seeking to achieve by going into Gaza?
In the first instance the decision to give the green light to a ground phase may have a relatively limited objective - to seek out and destroy tunnels constructed by Hamas and other groups which they hope to use as a means of infiltrating heavily armed fighters into Israel.
One such operation was thwarted in the early hours of Thursday morning. Some 13 Palestinian fighters emerged from a tunnel between Kerem Shalom and Kibbutz Sufa, east of the Gaza Strip, at around 04:00 (01:00 GMT). Israeli troops quickly intercepted the intruders who took casualties and were forced back into the tunnel.
Infiltration attempts - either via tunnels or by landings on the Israeli coast - have been a relatively new tactic from the Palestinians in this crisis and Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made an explicit reference to the tunnels when he announced his decision to give a green light to a ground mission.
If this is the initial driver of the operation then any incursion might be limited to the perimeter of the Gaza Strip with accompanying sea-borne raids.
However moving to a ground operation carries significant risks. For a start Israel's own forces could become vulnerable. The Palestinian fighters have a significant underground infrastructure and a number of relatively advanced anti-tank missiles. They will try to inflict casualties or seize individual soldiers to act as a bargaining chip.
But of course by far the greatest risk once heavy ground weapons become involved and there are localised firefights is to the civilian population.
This potentially could set a timeline for the operation since casualties will prompt ever greater international concern and pressure to halt any operation within as short a time period as possible.
In fact for all the Israeli talk about reducing Hamas's military infrastructure and so on, the Israeli military will be reluctant to go too deeply into densely populated areas.
If past experience is anything to go by Israel may seek to cut major roads and divide the Gaza Strip into zones within which its forces will operate.
Temporary end
But the primary aim is to bring pressure to bear on Hamas and other Palestinian groups to accept a ceasefire.
Israel does not want to take back control of the Gaza Strip. It wants a return to calm.
Israeli military analysts believe that Hamas is now on the back foot. Its efforts to take the battle to Israel through long-range rockets aimed at Israeli cities or by infiltration attempts have largely failed.
For whatever reason - and the inter-Arab politics and inter-Palestinian dynamics are complicating factors - no deal has so far been reached.
But that is the only way this struggle will end. And of course in a fundamental sense it will not end because Palestinian bitterness and sense of grievance will continue.
The impossible position of the Gaza Strip wedged between a hostile Egypt and Israel will continue. And in the absence of any broader peace initiative on the horizon, once Operation Protective Edge is over, the countdown will begin towards the next upsurge in violence. BBC News

Since: Jan 14

United States

#785 Jul 26, 2014
Patrick,
What is the relevance of your post to the topic of this thread? The original poster here is here for good; only taking his time to locate the right place to deposit the carcass of atheism.
richardfs

Saint Marys, Australia

#786 Jul 27, 2014
jide oni wrote:
Patrick,
What is the relevance of your post to the topic of this thread? The original poster here is here for good; only taking his time to locate the right place to deposit the carcass of atheism.
His posts are more relevant than your BS posts. At least he has something to say.
religionisillnes s

Exeter, UK

#788 Jul 27, 2014
jide oni wrote:
Patrick,
What is the relevance of your post to the topic of this thread? The original poster here is here for good; only taking his time to locate the right place to deposit the carcass of atheism.
Try proving the god you're trying to lie about first, then comment on Atheists who keep showing you up.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#789 Jul 27, 2014
jide oni wrote:
Patrick,
What is the relevance of your post to the topic of this thread? The original poster here is here for good; only taking his time to locate the right place to deposit the carcass of atheism.
Yet your rate of failure in this task that you've set for yourself is absolutely astounding in it's immensity.
Patrick

United States

#790 Jul 28, 2014
a universal religion

Sarah Palin’s online video service starring herself had a hugely successful launch on Monday, as millions of Americans paid $9.95 for the rare opportunity of hearing the former Alaska Governor speak.

The Web site for The Sarah Palin Channel reportedly crashed several times during the day, as it was overwhelmed by subscribers seeking a once-in-a-lifetime glimpse of the reclusive Palin sharing her opinions.

At the corporate headquarters of the Palin Channel, the marketing director Tracy Klugian attributed the site’s mammoth success to “the simple law of supply and demand.”

“The Governor is a very private person who chooses her words very, very carefully,” Klugian said.“When someone like that finally decides to speak out, millions of people will pay to hear what she has to say.”

Harland Dorrinson, aged sixty-two, of Flint, Michigan, was just one of the millions of Americans who jammed Governor Palin’s channel on Monday, only to find that the site had frozen under the weight of traffic.“I’ll keep refreshing the page until I finally get through,” he said.“Hearing Sarah Palin talk isn’t something that happens every day.”

Media experts said Monday that the stunning launch of Palin’s Web site bodes well for the upcoming video channel from another rarely seen personality, Donald Trump.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#791 Jul 29, 2014
Thinking wrote:
I wear negative icons from religitards as a badge of honour - especially when they have been applied to a "get well soon" post.
Aw, I see you're so thick that you have to steal my "badge of honor" comment. You guys are beyond lame, you're mental gimps.

Back in the box with you, gimp!
Thinking

Hounslow, UK

#792 Jul 30, 2014
I was paraphrasing Bradlaugh who died in 1891. Were you alive then?
I barely scan your angry posts.
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Aw, I see you're so thick that you have to steal my "badge of honor" comment. You guys are beyond lame, you're mental gimps.
Back in the box with you, gimp!
Patrick

United States

#793 Jul 30, 2014
Charles Bradlaugh was a political activist and one of the most famous English atheists of the 19th century.
He founded the National Secular Society in 1866.
Thanks for your post. Seems an interesting gent.
CunningLinguist

Inverness, FL

#794 Jul 31, 2014
jide oni wrote:
Patrick,
What is the relevance of your post to the topic of this thread? The original poster here is here for good; only taking his time to locate the right place to deposit the carcass of atheism.
Can your god commit suicide and then live again? If yes, what method would he/she select?

If not... I'm not impressed with your god, you will have to do better.

I am an equal opportunity skeptic.
I find all religions to be nothing more than superstition.
I post my opinion and comment.
Enjoy your faith if brings you happiness.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#795 Jul 31, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>

Can your god commit suicide and then live again? If yes, what method would he/she select?
The surest method would likely be trying to decipher a point from your posts.
religionisillnes s

London, UK

#796 Aug 2, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
The surest method would likely be trying to decipher a point from your posts.
You can't answer the question - its because you already know that god isn't real.
religionisillnes s

London, UK

#797 Aug 2, 2014
Patrick wrote:
a universal religion
Sarah Palin’s online video service starring herself had a hugely successful launch on Monday, as millions of Americans paid $9.95 for the rare opportunity of hearing the former Alaska Governor speak.
The Web site for The Sarah Palin Channel reportedly crashed several times during the day, as it was overwhelmed by subscribers seeking a once-in-a-lifetime glimpse of the reclusive Palin sharing her opinions.
At the corporate headquarters of the Palin Channel, the marketing director Tracy Klugian attributed the site’s mammoth success to “the simple law of supply and demand.”
“The Governor is a very private person who chooses her words very, very carefully,” Klugian said.“When someone like that finally decides to speak out, millions of people will pay to hear what she has to say.”
Harland Dorrinson, aged sixty-two, of Flint, Michigan, was just one of the millions of Americans who jammed Governor Palin’s channel on Monday, only to find that the site had frozen under the weight of traffic.“I’ll keep refreshing the page until I finally get through,” he said.“Hearing Sarah Palin talk isn’t something that happens every day.”
Media experts said Monday that the stunning launch of Palin’s Web site bodes well for the upcoming video channel from another rarely seen personality, Donald Trump.
Your spam posts make it easier to see how ruthless and ignorant most creationists are, in the face of evidence and facts.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#798 Aug 18, 2014
Thinking wrote:
I was paraphrasing Bradlaugh who died in 1891. Were you alive then?
I barely scan your angry posts.
<quoted text>
Liar.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#799 Aug 18, 2014
Thinking wrote:
I was paraphrasing Bradlaugh who died in 1891. Were you alive then?
I barely scan your angry posts.
<quoted text>
There were no computers or judgicons back then, retard. You copied MY comment, you and that twit mikko.

You're not a good enough liar to fool anybody.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#800 Aug 19, 2014
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>There were no computers or judgicons back then, retard. You copied MY comment, you and that twit mikko.
You're not a good enough liar to fool anybody.
Retarded troll go away!
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#801 Aug 19, 2014
Calm down dear.

Google topix.com "like a badge of honour" and you will see you haven't actually invented the English language.
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>There were no computers or judgicons back then, retard. You copied MY comment, you and that twit mikko.
You're not a good enough liar to fool anybody.
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#802 Aug 19, 2014
Your two replies to my one post makes you a retard.
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Liar.
Patrick

United States

#803 Aug 19, 2014
Atheism an old philosophy of some merit, examined by the Greeks many thousands of years ago.

Over a good cup of coffee the discussion usually moves on to great books -
The Quiet American
Smilla's Sense of Snow
The Republic
A Coffin for Dimitrios
War and Peace

Since no one can prove atheism the arguments tend to be circular.

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