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#580 Aug 20, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Not "above" the law, but the origin of law. Why should the One who exemplifies the law be expected to bow to you or anyone else who, by comparative definition, exemplifies lawlessness?
It isn't 'bowing' to anyone. It is simply providing enough evidence to justify belief.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#581 Aug 20, 2013
LCNlin wrote:
President Obama supports Prayer
AFTER a Washington odd couple chose to offer support for prayers in public meetings in a US Supreme Court case, two Hamilton County residents suing to stop public prayers locally say they were surprised but will continue to press on.
Lawyers for the Obama administration and House and Senate Republicans last week filed “friend of the court” briefs in the case of Greece v. Galloway.
The case involves a New York woman who is suing the town of Greece, New York, to halt prayers before public meetings. In that case, the woman is arguing that prayers at the town council were exclusively Christian and, therefore, endorsed Christianity over other religions.
The high court case closely parallels a federal case in Hamilton County, where residents Thomas Coleman and Brandon Jones are suing to halt prayers before Hamilton County Commission meetings and have them replaced with moments of silence.
Coleman said on Tuesday he was disappointed by the White House’s move.
“We were extremely shocked and certainly saw this as causing more problems for freedom of religion down the road. It certainly seems like the Obama administration was passing the buck on this one,” he said.
“It’s going to come back to the Supreme Court in some form or another, and it will continue until there is some resolution that pleases everybody, which we hold is a moment of silence, which is inclusive of all religions,” Coleman said.
Jones said he suspects Obama’s move was sprinkled with a little politics and is likely an olive branch to the GOP.
“I’m not surprised he’s taking the position that he has.... I think he’s trying to build bipartisanship and probably trying to appease the more right-wing members of society and show that he’s their president, too. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t disappointed, but I understand what he might be doing,” Jones said.
Robin Flores, the lawyer representing Coleman and Jones, said the White House’s involvement doesn’t change a thing for him.
“I think that would have some weight with the justices, and it might work out in favor of the town of Greece, but it’s not going to change our strategy,” Flores said.
Flores has filed a request to enter a late friend of the court brief in the Galloway case but has not heard back from the Supreme Court.
The filing is late because the deadline to file in the Galloway case came before the US 6th Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati, Ohio, ruled against Flores’s request to halt prayer in Hamilton County until the local case was concluded.
Flores, and the county’s attorney Steve Duggins, both said in July the Galloway case would likely settle all government prayer cases.
So far, federal appellate courts in New York, Virginia, Illinois and Colorado have ruled against allowing prayer at government meetings. But courts in California, Ohio and Georgia have upheld it. Part of the Supreme Court’s duty is to provide uniformity of law, Flores said.
Duggins said on Tuesday he was pleased to see the White House come out in favor of prayer at public meetings.
“I’m always glad to see others joining in support of our position. Anytime you get some added support, it’s gratifying,” Duggins said.
The Hamilton County case has a scheduling conference this month in US District Court in Chattanooga.
The Supreme Court is expected to make a ruling in the Galloway case by next summer.
Obama is not perfect. He's scared of all sorts of real threats, and he gives in too much. I know what it is like to be scared of real threats, and I give in too much too. It is human. If he appoints Summers to head the Fed, we will need more prayers!(ironic on the religion - serious on the political point)
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#582 Aug 20, 2013
Very Cynical Person wrote:
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Any true miracle such as the end of hate, hunger, useless deaths of children, this god come and show itself, this god present tangible evidence of said existence, This god be heard by all, there is a lot that can be considered proof. But proof or evidence must be testable.
Just the word of man is not good enough. And everything to date is only man’s word or writings.
These things WILL happen but not until God has given everyone elected a chance to become saved. Read Revelation. It has every one of those points you want to see: no hate, hunger, and death; Jesus will show Himself again; God will show ABSOLUTE proof of His existence; He will be seen and heard by all; and much more. Of course, when all of this happens, it will be too late for anyone who has waited that long to become saved! You really should read the book "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist."

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#583 Aug 20, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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These things WILL happen but not until God has given everyone elected a chance to become saved. Read Revelation. It has every one of those points you want to see: no hate, hunger, and death; Jesus will show Himself again; God will show ABSOLUTE proof of His existence; He will be seen and heard by all; and much more. Of course, when all of this happens, it will be too late for anyone who has waited that long to become saved! You really should read the book "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist."
As far as religion goes your god has had thousands of years, it seems he cannot accomplish his goal. So your answer is fith faith and faith only? Sorry but faith has nothing to do with being atheist. I have read and studied the book as you put it for years and many a time from front to back over and over how do you think I became an atheist.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#584 Aug 20, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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What you are doing is subjecting to the same test that they did to the priests of Baal before they killed them. But Xtians, when asked to come up with thye same proof as they demanded form Baal's followers, will always refuse, claiming that their god is above the law.
True enough.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#585 Aug 20, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Those are very good examples! However, what it sounds like you are looking for are "contemporary" miracles and providence, Correct?
No--- I'm looking for GODLY ACTIVITIES.

Actions that could **only** be from a god-- and not by accident or human activity.

THAT would be proof of a god.

Nothing less will do.

Because anything LESS? Would mean?

The god in question was LYING.

Lying by OMISSION.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#586 Aug 20, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Not "above" the law, but the origin of law. Why should the One who exemplifies the law be expected to bow to you or anyone else who, by comparative definition, exemplifies lawlessness?
To not do so?

IS TO LIE ABOUT HIS EXISTENCE.

You believe in a LYING god, now?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#587 Aug 20, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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These things WILL happen but not until God has given everyone elected a chance to become saved. Read Revelation. It has every one of those points you want to see: no hate, hunger, and death; Jesus will show Himself again; God will show ABSOLUTE proof of His existence; He will be seen and heard by all; and much more. Of course, when all of this happens, it will be too late for anyone who has waited that long to become saved! You really should read the book "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist."
So your god is a LIAR, then?

Okay-- I get that, now.

This is NOT good, you know....!

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#588 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Those are very good examples! However, what it sounds like you are looking for are "contemporary" miracles and providence, Correct?
Of course there are no contemporary miracles because all such frauds are exposed today.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#589 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Not "above" the law, but the origin of law. Why should the One who exemplifies the law be expected to bow to you or anyone else who, by comparative definition, exemplifies lawlessness?
I do not expect god to bow to me, I only ask that he prove his existence in the same manner that you guys claim that he proved to the priests of Baal.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#590 Aug 21, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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I do not expect god to bow to me, I only ask that he prove his existence in the same manner that you guys claim that he proved to the priests of Baal.
This would be a bare minimum of standard behavior.

**IF** the god in question were ....

.... honest.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#591 Aug 22, 2013
TMZ terrifies the Almighty to no end.
emperorjohn wrote:
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I do not expect god to bow to me, I only ask that he prove his existence in the same manner that you guys claim that he proved to the priests of Baal.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#592 Aug 23, 2013
Very Cynical Person wrote:
<quoted text> As far as religion goes your god has had thousands of years, it seems he cannot accomplish his goal. So your answer is fith faith and faith only? Sorry but faith has nothing to do with being atheist. I have read and studied the book as you put it for years and many a time from front to back over and over how do you think I became an atheist.
Most likely, you became an atheist because you allowed Satan's demon to influence you. This is pretty much how it always happens, regardless of how you describe it or think it did.

"A fool hath said in his heart,'There is no God!'"
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#593 Aug 23, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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Of course there are no contemporary miracles because all such frauds are exposed today.
No they are not. In my church, I personally know someone who struggled with throat cancer and, by God's mercy, beat it...or thought he did (I say beat it, but it left him unable to speak well anymore and he has to eat through a feeding tube because he cannot swallow!). It came back, again, but he never lost faith. One day he says he woke up and just "felt like the cancer was gone." When he returned to his next appt., the doc said something like, "We don't know how, but the cancer's gone!" THAT is a miracle because cancer doesn't typically just "go away," especially when it is as aggressive as his was.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#594 Aug 23, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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I do not expect god to bow to me, I only ask that he prove his existence in the same manner that you guys claim that he proved to the priests of Baal.
God did all He needed to in order to give us reason to believe in Him. He even made sure we knew about it by having it written down. Like Jesus says in the NT, "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#595 Aug 23, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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I do not expect god to bow to me, I only ask that he prove his existence in the same manner that you guys claim that he proved to the priests of Baal.
P.S And the interesting thing is that the Pharisees and scribes asked Jesus Himself the same thing you all now ask. They told Jesus, "....we would see a sign from thee." Jesus responded by saying that the only sign they'd get would be his resurrection and after He rose again, they STILL refused to believe!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#596 Aug 23, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Most likely, you became an atheist because you allowed Satan's demon to influence you. This is pretty much how it always happens, regardless of how you describe it or think it did.
"A fool hath said in his heart,'There is no God!'"
So.

You give your SATAN-GOD all the REAL power, then?

Your SATAN-GOD is MUCH MORE CONVINCING than your other gods?

Wow...

... just... wow..

That means you worship the wrong god! Your SATAN-GOD is the most powerful in your collection.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#597 Aug 23, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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No they are not. In my church, I personally know someone who struggled with throat cancer and, by God's mercy, beat it...or thought he did (I say beat it, but it left him unable to speak well anymore and he has to eat through a feeding tube because he cannot swallow!).
So your god **failed**, then? Interesting.
FollowerofChrist wrote:
It came back, again, but he never lost faith.
Proof he was insane, you mean? Okay-- granted.
FollowerofChrist wrote:
One day he says he woke up and just "felt like the cancer was gone." When he returned to his next appt., the doc said something like, "We don't know how, but the cancer's gone!" THAT is a miracle because cancer doesn't typically just "go away," especially when it is as aggressive as his was.
Sure, sure-- but your feeble and incapable god COULD NOT RE-GROW HIS SPEAKING PARTS?

Sad.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#598 Aug 23, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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God did all He needed to in order to give us reason to believe in Him. He even made sure we knew about it by having it written down. Like Jesus says in the NT, "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
But your god is not AS convincing as your SATAN-GOD.

Hilarious!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#599 Aug 23, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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P.S And the interesting thing is that the Pharisees and scribes asked Jesus Himself the same thing you all now ask. They told Jesus, "....we would see a sign from thee." Jesus responded by saying that the only sign they'd get would be his resurrection and after He rose again, they STILL refused to believe!
But your Jewsus(jesus) cannot muster up sufficient MoJo to be...

....**Logically** convincing.

Instead, your Jewsus(jesus) must resort to LIES?

How ... pitiful.

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