15 ways to stand up for rationality

There are 3 comments on the Ukiah Blog Live story from Mar 21, 2014, titled 15 ways to stand up for rationality. In it, Ukiah Blog Live reports that:

I've often wondered how the term "New Atheism" gained such currency. It is a misnomer.

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“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#1 Mar 21, 2014
While I see the logical basis in some of the responses, I also see a self-centered aggressiveness that sometimes borders on rudeness and just as often plunges deep into that territory. The central question in each interaction is whether one wants to continue friendly relationships, move into more contentious ones, or sever them altogether.

Saying grace before meals is a prerogative of a host. As a guest, one should not make a fuss over it. As a host, though, it's okay to rebuff a suggestion for a guest with courtesy. What is not okay is to convert a pleasant social occasion into a debate.

Similarly, it is impolite to interject debate and controversy into otherwise friendly discussions. Every person has to listen to all manner of nonsense from the people around them. Sometimes that crosses a line and must be rebutted, but more often it's better to reciprocate the same level of tolerance that is probably extended to oneself from time to time.

The rest of the statements in the essay would take place only once a conversation has turned to debate. I would answer some of them differently, but there is nothing inherently wrong with those responses. Still, I would want to conduct even debate in such a way as to foster or preserve friendly relations. I see no point in trying to "win" arguments at the cost of lost friendships or hurt feelings or of trying to persuade people who are not open to new perspectives.

This forum does not fall into that category. This is a place where atheists can communicate with each other and where believers come to debate with and/or attack the atheists who gather here.

Here, the gloves are off.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#2 Mar 22, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
Here, the gloves are off.
Indeed, they are off.

I saw a brilliant piece by David McAfee:

"Before engaging in debate, it's important to ensure the other party is willing to accept new evidence. Otherwise, it will likely go nowhere."

~ David G. McAfee

This point is the crux of the whole enchilada, I think.

I **am** willing to entertain actual evidence in favor of the theists' points of view.

I have found this to be the case with all the Topix freethinkers/non-believers/ath eists/agnostics/non-theists I've run across, so far.

However, with but a couple of noteworthy exceptions? None of the Topix god-believers are interested in **evidence** for **anything**.

So it's not a debate with them, so much, as it is a demonstration or perhaps a performance art piece.

For the benefit of those folk who *are* interested in new evidence.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3 Mar 24, 2014
Oh look!

Siro/Rio/True Christian Witness™ has "commented" on my post with his negative judgits.

But he cannot actually counter what was posted, with actual...

... argument.

How cute.

I **must** have hit yet **another** nerve.

LMAO!

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