New Mexico scientists fight taxpayer-funded evolution celebration

There are 89 comments on the World Magazine story from Jun 27, 2014, titled New Mexico scientists fight taxpayer-funded evolution celebration. In it, World Magazine reports that:

Two New Mexico scientists hope next year's Darwin Days celebration at the New Mexico Museum of Natural History and Science may evolve into a more civilized affair.

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The Dude

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#1 Jun 27, 2014
Gotta love the irony - fundies trying to invoke the First Amendment because they feel that their religious beliefs are being denigrated. But they sure don't give a fig when trying to push IDC in public schools, eh.

And I suppose someone forgot to tell this putz that evolution is not atheism.

Please, Lord, PLEASE let the fundies try to take this to court. I love the smell of fried fundies in the morning.

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#2 Jun 27, 2014
The Dude wrote:
Gotta love the irony - fundies trying to invoke the First Amendment because they feel that their religious beliefs are being denigrated. But they sure don't give a fig when trying to push IDC in public schools, eh.
And I suppose someone forgot to tell this putz that evolution is not atheism.
Please, Lord, PLEASE let the fundies try to take this to court. I love the smell of fried fundies in the morning.
No one can denigrate a religion the way the adherents of that religion can!

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Knoxville, TN

#3 Jun 27, 2014
I can't help but notice that nothing more about the two scientists is presented than their names and activities in opposition to Darwin Day celebrations. Does anyone know who they are or anything about their scientific endeavors?

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#4 Jun 27, 2014
Both must be creationists

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#5 Jun 28, 2014
I can't help but notice they consulted atheists to help plane it all and are now having Darwin days to celebrate the "birth" of Darwin ,,,, and evolution is not seen as a religion to atheists. lol.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#6 Jun 28, 2014
Mikko wrote:
Both must be creationists
The author of this article found out that James Campbell is a retired physicist. In other words not someone that you would consult in regards to evolution.

http://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com/2014/...

Back to Google searching.

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#7 Jun 28, 2014
replaytime wrote:
I can't help but notice they consulted atheists to help plane it all and are now having Darwin days to celebrate the "birth" of Darwin ,,,, and evolution is not seen as a religion to atheists. lol.
PARDON?
What would be wrong with, let's say, scientists celebrating the anniversary of the birthday of Newton?
Which actually happens every decade counted upon 1643.

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#8 Jun 28, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
I can't help but notice that nothing more about the two scientists is presented than their names and activities in opposition to Darwin Day celebrations. Does anyone know who they are or anything about their scientific endeavors?
Mike Edenburn is a mechanical engineer and former systems analyst.
And he, of course, is member of the ID movement.

He seems to forget that all churches in the US enjoy extensive tax exempt.
He either doesn't seem to have any problems with THAT.

I do agree though that in a publicly funded museum of natural history you may celebrate the birthday of one of the greatest scientists ever lived but not by mixing it up with atheist promotion. A museum on natural history represents and exhibits scientific knowledge and no normative world views.

As we constantly advocate in this Topix forum, is NOT mixing up science with normative world views.

But, I DO doubt if that was going on in the New Mexico event.
Creationists are notorious liars and deceivers.

For instance, I missed the retort of the museum in the article.
I distrust creationist's sources habitually.

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#9 Jun 28, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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PARDON?
What would be wrong with, let's say, scientists celebrating the anniversary of the birthday of Newton?
Which actually happens every decade counted upon 1643.
But we don't celebrate the "BIRTH" of Newton, Einstein, Hippocrates, Watt, Celsius, Nobel, Edison, Bohr, Hubble, or any other scientists do we? Now to set a day aside and celebrate the BIRTH of Darwin, the god of evolution, that seems pretty odd to me.

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the Earth Clod

#10 Jun 28, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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But we don't celebrate the "BIRTH" of Newton, Einstein, Hippocrates, Watt, Celsius, Nobel, Edison, Bohr, Hubble, or any other scientists do we? Now to set a day aside and celebrate the BIRTH of Darwin, the god of evolution, that seems pretty odd to me.
Yes we do.
Google "Newton anniversary", even his 370th birthday anniversary.
Google "Einstein anniversary".
Google "Faraday" anniversary.
Google "Galileo" anniversary.
Google "Tesla" anniversary.
Google "Curie" anniversary.
Etc. etc. etc. etc.

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Earth

#11 Jun 28, 2014
The dumbasses are calling biology and science "a form of religion".

Dishonest argument is the inevitable and predictable tactic of those with dishonest views.

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#12 Jun 28, 2014
TurkanaBoy wrote:
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Yes we do.
Google "Newton anniversary", even his 370th birthday anniversary.
Google "Einstein anniversary".
Google "Faraday" anniversary.
Google "Galileo" anniversary.
Google "Tesla" anniversary.
Google "Curie" anniversary.
Etc. etc. etc. etc.
Everything has an anniversary Big difference from an anniversary date and a "set celebration day"
Now;
Google "Newton Celebration Day" or "Newton Day"
Google "Einstein Celebration Day" or "Einstein Day"
Google "Faraday Celebration Day" or "Faraday Day"
Google "Galileo Celebration Day" or "Galileo Day"
Google "Tesla Celebration Day" or "Telsa Day"
Google "Curie Celebration Day" or "Curie Day"

What did you get, That is right not much if any.

Now Google "Darwin Celebration Day"(41,300,000 results) or "Darwin Day"(11,100,000 results)

There is a International Darwin Day and even Darwin Day in Wiki. Be a little more honest will ya.

Since: Nov 07

St. James, NY

#13 Jun 28, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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Everything has an anniversary Big difference from an anniversary date and a "set celebration day"
Now;
Google "Newton Celebration Day" or "Newton Day"
Google "Einstein Celebration Day" or "Einstein Day"
Google "Faraday Celebration Day" or "Faraday Day"
Google "Galileo Celebration Day" or "Galileo Day"
Google "Tesla Celebration Day" or "Telsa Day"
Google "Curie Celebration Day" or "Curie Day"
What did you get, That is right not much if any.
Now Google "Darwin Celebration Day"(41,300,000 results) or "Darwin Day"(11,100,000 results)
There is a International Darwin Day and even Darwin Day in Wiki. Be a little more honest will ya.
Most likely the controversy over Evolution has made Darwin a greater known scientist then if the controversy had never happened. Perhaps he is held to a greater than average celebrity and praise from the pro-scientist side because of the greater than average scorn he receives from the anti-science side.

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#14 Jun 28, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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But we don't celebrate the "BIRTH" of Newton, Einstein, Hippocrates, Watt, Celsius, Nobel, Edison, Bohr, Hubble, or any other scientists do we? Now to set a day aside and celebrate the BIRTH of Darwin, the god of evolution, that seems pretty odd to me.
It isn't being suggested as a national holiday. It is a museum. Now why would you go and say a thing like "Darwin, the god of evolution"? Are you claiming it is a religion as well?

I haven't looked but I would be surprised if no other museum has celebrated the birthday of at least one of those you mention. Maybe they haven't, but it wouldn't be unusual for them to have.

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#15 Jun 28, 2014
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
Everything has an anniversary Big difference from an anniversary date and a "set celebration day"
Now;
Google "Newton Celebration Day" or "Newton Day"
Google "Einstein Celebration Day" or "Einstein Day"
Google "Faraday Celebration Day" or "Faraday Day"
Google "Galileo Celebration Day" or "Galileo Day"
Google "Tesla Celebration Day" or "Telsa Day"
Google "Curie Celebration Day" or "Curie Day"
What did you get, That is right not much if any.
Now Google "Darwin Celebration Day"(41,300,000 results) or "Darwin Day"(11,100,000 results)
There is a International Darwin Day and even Darwin Day in Wiki. Be a little more honest will ya.
Don't you think the man responsible for helping to establish the basis of all biology including medicine should have a special day. The only real significance beyond his vast and major contribution to biology and science is the controversy stirred up by FFC''s. Considering their bent away from real education, it is impressive that they even know who Darwin is.

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#16 Jun 28, 2014
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
Everything has an anniversary Big difference from an anniversary date and a "set celebration day"
Now;
Google "Newton Celebration Day" or "Newton Day"
Google "Einstein Celebration Day" or "Einstein Day"
Google "Faraday Celebration Day" or "Faraday Day"
Google "Galileo Celebration Day" or "Galileo Day"
Google "Tesla Celebration Day" or "Telsa Day"
Google "Curie Celebration Day" or "Curie Day"
What did you get, That is right not much if any.
Now Google "Darwin Celebration Day"(41,300,000 results) or "Darwin Day"(11,100,000 results)
There is a International Darwin Day and even Darwin Day in Wiki. Be a little more honest will ya.
I used "name birthday celebration" and got the following results. Odd how few by comparison came up for Einstein using the search criteria.

"Newton birthday celebration" About 18,700,000 results
"Einstein birthday celebration" About 363,000 results
"Faraday birthday celebration" About 7,060,000 results
"Galileo birthday celebration" About 1,180,000 results
"Tesla birthday celebration" About 2,850,000 results
"Curie birthday celebration" About 990,000 results

Using "name day celebration" I got these results.

"Newton day celebration" About 132,000,000 results
"Einstein day celebration" About 53,100,000 results
"Faraday day celebration" About 29,000,000 results
"Galileo day celebration" About 12,700,000 results
"Tesla day celebration" About 51,100,000 results
"Curie day celebration" About 9,120,000 results

Looks like Newton wins.

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#17 Jun 28, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I used "name birthday celebration" and got the following results. Odd how few by comparison came up for Einstein using the search criteria.
"Newton birthday celebration" About 18,700,000 results
"Einstein birthday celebration" About 363,000 results
"Faraday birthday celebration" About 7,060,000 results
"Galileo birthday celebration" About 1,180,000 results
"Tesla birthday celebration" About 2,850,000 results
"Curie birthday celebration" About 990,000 results
Using "name day celebration" I got these results.
"Newton day celebration" About 132,000,000 results
"Einstein day celebration" About 53,100,000 results
"Faraday day celebration" About 29,000,000 results
"Galileo day celebration" About 12,700,000 results
"Tesla day celebration" About 51,100,000 results
"Curie day celebration" About 9,120,000 results
Looks like Newton wins.
Don't be dishonest. Look at your results when you look them up.

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#18 Jun 28, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I used "name birthday celebration" and got the following results. Odd how few by comparison came up for Einstein using the search criteria.
"Newton birthday celebration" About 18,700,000 results
"Einstein birthday celebration" About 363,000 results
"Faraday birthday celebration" About 7,060,000 results
"Galileo birthday celebration" About 1,180,000 results
"Tesla birthday celebration" About 2,850,000 results
"Curie birthday celebration" About 990,000 results
Using "name day celebration" I got these results.
"Newton day celebration" About 132,000,000 results
"Einstein day celebration" About 53,100,000 results
"Faraday day celebration" About 29,000,000 results
"Galileo day celebration" About 12,700,000 results
"Tesla day celebration" About 51,100,000 results
"Curie day celebration" About 9,120,000 results
Looks like Newton wins.
Newton day celebration -- Newton Birthday is mentioned a few times.
https://www.google.com/...

Einstein day celebration- Einsteins Birthday is mentioned a few times.
https://www.google.com/...

Faraday day celebration - Faraday, a few for Institution of Engineering and Technology/school challenges
https://www.google.com/...

Galileo day celebration - Galileo Birthday is mentioned a few times.
https://www.google.com/...

Tesla day celebration - Tesla date of death for invention day a few times
https://www.google.com/... +

Curie day celebration - Talks of cancer cures.
https://www.google.com/...

Now lets compare;
Darwin day celebration - pages and pages and pages and pages and pages and pages and pages and pages and pages and pages(I think you get the point) for Darwin day celebration.
https://www.google.com/...

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#19 Jun 28, 2014
replaytime wrote:
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Don't be dishonest. Look at your results when you look them up.
I did exactly what you did. So if I am dishonest than so are you. I am not sure why you are saying that anyway. I was just running the model and reporting the results.

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#20 Jun 28, 2014
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
Newton day celebration -- Newton Birthday is mentioned a few times.
https://www.google.com/...
Einstein day celebration- Einsteins Birthday is mentioned a few times.
https://www.google.com/...
Faraday day celebration - Faraday, a few for Institution of Engineering and Technology/school challenges
https://www.google.com/...
Galileo day celebration - Galileo Birthday is mentioned a few times.
https://www.google.com/...
Tesla day celebration - Tesla date of death for invention day a few times
https://www.google.com/... +
Curie day celebration - Talks of cancer cures.
https://www.google.com/...
Now lets compare;
Darwin day celebration - pages and pages and pages and pages and pages and pages and pages and pages and pages and pages(I think you get the point) for Darwin day celebration.
https://www.google.com/...
I see you didn't understand the nature of my post. Perhaps I need to be more explicit. Google search results are a weak piece of evidence. However, Darwin was one of the most important scientists ever and he had a major impact on science, biology, geology, paleontology, genetics, ecology, and religion. What do you find so unreasonable about celebrating the man and the accomplishment? If it is more than most, that just indicates that science is getting the word out. It isn't as if people attend a special Darwin building three or four times a week to profess their belief in Darwin and accept him into their heart for eternal redemption. These types of things are mostly for fun and education not indoctrination. It isn't a religion and if Google hits are the best support of that view, then we can end the argument here.

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