A - Jewish atheist' lets go of the - Jewish'

Mar 28, 2014 Full story: New Jersey Jewish News 7

At the age of six, some 40 years before he became president of American Atheists, David Silverman came to the conclusion that there was no God.

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#1 Mar 31, 2014
"In his lengthy speech, highlighted with PowerPoint slides, however, David Silverman argued that Judaism is not a culture or a race or a nationality.

So many people have told me it is a race. You can't leave. Once youre a Jew you're always a Jew. But if you look at the Ethiopian, and the Ashkenazi, and the Sephardim, there is nothing common among those groups except the Torah, which is religious and religious only. That is the only thing that unites those groups of Jews, he said.
He is absolutely correct. Judaism is a religion, not a race.
EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#2 Mar 31, 2014
I like David S, he seems a really genuine person. He correctly diagnoses one of the worst aspects of religion, namely the divisive tribalism.
Religion = superstition

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#3 Mar 31, 2014
So many people have told me it is a race. You can't leave. Once youre a Jew you're always a Jew. But if you look at the Ethiopian, and the Ashkenazi, and the Sephardim, there is nothing common among those groups except the Torah, which is religious and religious only. That is the only thing that unites those groups of Jews, he said.

He derided atheists who are still sticking to the concept that once born a Jew, always a Jew. That's the poison in your mind.
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Any rabbi will tell you that studying likely means being an honest to g-d atheist.
But his point is not about the religion (if any point but PowerPoint is made at all!)
It could be argued that he did not study properly.

He is bound to not have taken all history into account as f.i. ashkenazim used to be the jews from a certain turf in Judah/Israel and only in the 20th century became 'these European jews'.
I also see no DNA studies mentioned as the well-known bottleneck.

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#4 Mar 31, 2014
EdSed wrote:
I like David S, he seems a really genuine person. He correctly diagnoses one of the worst aspects of religion, namely the divisive tribalism.
Religion = superstition
I do not get your points.

If i look at f.i. the Haluf culture of about 4000 - 6000 years ago in North-west mesopotamia, i see people that by the spread of their pottery went walkabout full circle.
So the come back a few millennia later to find new people that claim the turf as ancestral land, but the same old language still spoken also, as well as the same pottery.
Both equally entitled one could say.

Human memory usually goes no further than great-gran, so tribal memory and writing down all bonds serves as memory.
If one read the mikra like that we see many theologies and groups forming these tables of nations as well as a merging of law-systems.*
There is not one greek (the DNA and origin is so diverse that even speaking of 'greek' is strange) made up history and myth to fill in the gaps but on proper reading many groups/tribes are presented as part of the land.
Nor one theology like later christianities claim on exclusive universality (=catholicism) lording over it all.
It's that fiction that still inappropriately vigorates without being questioned as to it's origin and political aim.
As usual the motor of these ideas is driven by a new old group staking a claim. F.i. Georgians, Armenians, Greeks and Italians needing land to defend themselves and the opportunism that went along with it.

*We can later conclude that f.i. Hammurabi and his extreme codex are the odd one out, since even the Hebrew Book and older laws where not that extreme, so Hammurabi and his amorite/aramaean identity where a new element.
EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#5 Apr 1, 2014
MAAT wrote:
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I do not get your points.....
You demonstrate them well enough.

Theology = mythology
Eliab ben Benjamin

Auckland, New Zealand

#6 Apr 1, 2014
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>You demonstrate them well enough.
Theology = mythology
Excuse me, may i suggest there is another history, could be called modern Oral Family
history .. most often recorded in the on the blank inside cover and notes pages at the back of Torah, Tenach and in my own families case Zohar and Talmud going back through Europe to
the dead sea and to Simon ben Kosiba, and this is Benjamite tradition (see Prophets)

Shalom .. Eliab

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#7 Apr 1, 2014
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>You demonstrate them well enough.
Theology = mythology
In your own words otherwise it get's very vague on your part if not downright mentally lazy and talking cross-purposes and concepts..

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