Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Religious Movement",...

Aug 28, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Gateway Pundit

Is the DOJ collectively inhaling something toxic? The U.S. Justice Department has just identified atheism as a "religious movement" .

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huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>Tell me, mr know it all- why can't they?
You're the idiots who claim to "know it all"

But when asked for proof, you cowards lie, insult and defame...

This is your creationist cult way, it is how you deranged robots are programmed. They take the human honesty out of you, leaving shameless liars with no morals.

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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You made the claim.
It is up to **YOU** to find "free will" in the bible.
You won't find it **at**all**.
But-- you **will** find many examples where free will is usurped by bible-god.
The most damming from your perspective?
Is the little one that states (more or less): "no man comes to the father, but that the [holy]spirit draw him"
That one right there, pretty much says there is no free will.
I see- you made a claim that you could prove something and you cannot. IOW, you're the hypocrite. Right up there with the dinosaur hypothesis.

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-Skeptic- wrote:
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You're the idiots who claim to "know it all"
But when asked for proof, you cowards lie, insult and defame...
This is your creationist cult way, it is how you deranged robots are programmed. They take the human honesty out of you, leaving shameless liars with no morals.
Wrong again, mr hypocrite. Please prove that we claim to "know it all". PS- lumping us all together is also stereotyping, which is a form of prejudice. Not very logical...

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I already did. Try reading it slower.
No, you simply said they could not. There is a basic difference between "knowing" and "influencing" but you cannot grasp the difference. Is it possible you have no children?

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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The "world" according to Buck-- not based in any reality of any kind.
Amusing.
Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not (Academic American Encyclopedia).
Atheism, system of thought developed around the denial of God's existence. Atheism, so defined, first appeared during the Enlightenment, the age of reason (Random House Encyclopedia-1977).
Atheism is the doctrine that there is no God.(Oxford Companion to Philosophy-1995).
Atheism (Greek, a-[private prefix]+ theos, god) is the view that there is no divine being, no God (Dictionary of Philosophy, Thomas Mautner, Editor-1996).
Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist (The World Book Encyclopedia-1991).
Atheism, commonly speaking, is the denial of God. Theism (from the Greek theos, God) is belief in or conceptualization of God, atheism is the rejection of such belief or conceptualization.In the ancient world atheism was rarely a clearly formulated position (Encyclopedia Americana-1990).
Atheism, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswerable, for the atheist, the non-existence of god is a certainty (The New Encyclopedia Britannia-1993).
According to the most usual definition, an atheist is a person who maintains that there is no god…(rejects eccentric definitions of the word)(The Encyclopedia of Philosophy-1967).
Atheism is the doctrine that God does not exist, that belief in the existence of God is a false belief. The word God here refers to a divine being regarded as the independent creator of the world, a being superlatively powerful, wise and good (Encyclopedia of Religion-1987).
Atheism (Greek and Roman): Atheism is a dogmatic creed, consisting in the denial of every kind of supernatural power. Atheism has not often been seriously maintained at any period of civilized thought (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics-Vol II).
Atheism denies the existence of deity (Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia-Vol I).

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emperorjohn wrote:
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This is what you said
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Sorry sir, but we cannot legally dispose of children and use them as we see fit. Pedos get prosecuted when they use children in for their desires and parents who kill kids are brought to justice.
That is what defines the difference between a slave, a child, a employee, or a soldier. Each of these are subordinate to another, the child. But none can be disposed of at the whims of the one in authority.
You would have us be the slaves of a tyrant who kills people for the most ridiculous of reasons.
...and yet that "tyrant" gave you life and reasons to be happy. He doesn't need your judgement inre that "...most ridiculous of reasons" but allowed you the free will to think so. Actually, if you do a little research, you will find that children are enslaved in a lot of places. I'll bet half your wardrobe was made by slave labor.

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Just Think wrote:
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Well, I don't have a "side" so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Here's the problem with your statement:
"So, I can choose A or B?"
"Yep - choose away."
"I choose B"
"I KNEW you would choose B!"
"Really? What if I had chosen A?"
"Then I would have known you would have chosen A!"
"Ummm…yeah."
LOL
We are not talking about "you" and "I". If we were talking about "you" and "I", you would be correct.

When omniscience is introduced, chronologically "prior" knowledge is not absolutely "prior" or logically "prior".

The event causes the foreknowledge; not vice versa.

"Time" and "tense" are products of the physical universe.

Some entity independent of the physical universe would be, well, independent.

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Just Think wrote:
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Unless you have a word for people who don't believe in unicorns, elves and leprechauns, you're argument isn't valid.
I don't have an active belief that there are no deities, I just don't believe in deities. Not Thor, not Zeus, not Isis, not Shiva, not Allah, not the god of the bible.
There is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof that any god or gods ever existed. Just like elves and unicorns and leprechauns.
(By the way, your constant referral to a singular god with a capital "G" kind of gives your agenda away…)
Then, if what you say is true, you are an agnostic.

I already supplied terms for those who do not believe in unicorns - "agnostic on unicorns".

I also supplied terms for those who do believe the unicorns do not exist - "atheist on unicorns".

Do you see a pattern?

I can't see why this is confusing to anyone. I can see why some want to lie about it.

If it's confusing to you, just tell me what you believe and I will supply the term that denotes that position.

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Just Think wrote:
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Unless you have a word for people who don't believe in unicorns, elves and leprechauns, you're argument isn't valid.
I don't have an active belief that there are no deities, I just don't believe in deities. Not Thor, not Zeus, not Isis, not Shiva, not Allah, not the god of the bible.
There is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof that any god or gods ever existed. Just like elves and unicorns and leprechauns.
(By the way, your constant referral to a singular god with a capital "G" kind of gives your agenda away…)
I don't believe you. I think your position is actually that no deity exists.

Dozens come on here and make the same claim as you, then moments later write posts that prove their true belief, which is that no deity exists.

Atheists are chronic liars, I find.
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I don't believe you. I think your position is actually that no deity exists.
Dozens come on here and make the same claim as you, then moments later write posts that prove their true belief, which is that no deity exists.
Atheists are chronic liars, I find.
Evidence would suggest that no deity exists. And some might take this further to claim that without evidence there can be no discussion as to whether a deity exists or not.

The reality is that evidence of an all seeing, omnipotent creator God is a construct of man. There has never been any tangible proof to support it.

So while I would love to know whether God exists or not, the upshot is that I can never know until said God decides to show Himself/Herself/Itself to mankind.

If He/She/It has not done this for 2000 years then I have to take the opinion that He/She/it does not exist.

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Baldness is a hair color
Not collecting stamps is a hobby
Atheism does not denote "not having" something.

It denotes "having".

What atheism denotes "having" is a particular belief.

"Atheism: a + theos, denying god" (Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology).

If you want to discuss whether you believe in stamp collecting or baldness, Nikon, then you would be comparing apples to apples.

...if you believe in apples.

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If someone were to provide absolute proof that elves or leprechauns or deities or unicorns actually existed, of course I would believe they existed.
In the meantime, however, there are far too many things that actually do exist that one can devote his time and thoughts to...
Told you so.

You lied. You believe no deity exists, thus you are an atheist.

The simple fact that you draw equivalence between deities and leprechauns proves this.

Thus, Buck is proven right again- you are an atheist, you lied about it to appear as if you have some neutral rationality.

Why are you atheists such liars?

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Um, yes, everyone changes their minds about millions of things over the course of their lifetime - that is perfectly logical.
However, to say that man has free will to make all of those choices AND an omniscient god knows exactly what those choices will be before he makes them are two distinct thoughts that cannot coexist.
Incorrect.

No logical barrier to omniscience and free will co-existing.

Your thought process is your barrier.

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Buck Crick wrote:
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I don't believe you. I think your position is actually that no deity exists.
Dozens come on here and make the same claim as you, then moments later write posts that prove their true belief, which is that no deity exists.
Atheists are chronic liars, I find.
Well, I've been as honest as possible, so I don't know why you would call me a liar.

Best of luck to you.

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Evidence would suggest that no deity exists. And some might take this further to claim that without evidence there can be no discussion as to whether a deity exists or not.
The reality is that evidence of an all seeing, omnipotent creator God is a construct of man. There has never been any tangible proof to support it.
So while I would love to know whether God exists or not, the upshot is that I can never know until said God decides to show Himself/Herself/Itself to mankind.
If He/She/It has not done this for 2000 years then I have to take the opinion that He/She/it does not exist.
Then you are an "atheist". At least you might understand the meaning of the term, which makes you the exception among Topix atheists.

But your assertion that "evidence" suggests no deity exists is simply that - an assertion.

You may not find the evidence compelling, but as a statement of fact, you are wrong.
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Buck Crick wrote:
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Then you are an "atheist". At least you might understand the meaning of the term, which makes you the exception among Topix atheists.
But your assertion that "evidence" suggests no deity exists is simply that - an assertion.
You may not find the evidence compelling, but as a statement of fact, you are wrong.
Now thats where we would differ. I should perhaps rephrase the sentnece to read; 'the lack of evidence suggests no deity exists'.

You are obviously articulate and probably well read, which makes you the exception among Topix' Theists.

That wasn't a backhanded insult. You appear to be capable of reasoned thought. So I'm curious to understand what you consider 'EVIDENCE' with regard to the existence of God.

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Now thats where we would differ. I should perhaps rephrase the sentnece to read; 'the lack of evidence suggests no deity exists'.
You are obviously articulate and probably well read, which makes you the exception among Topix' Theists.
That wasn't a backhanded insult. You appear to be capable of reasoned thought. So I'm curious to understand what you consider 'EVIDENCE' with regard to the existence of God.
Perhaps I will indulge you, but we would first have to clarify my concept of "God".

It is not the concept of the Abrahamic religions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Buck Crick wrote:
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Perhaps I will indulge you, but we would first have to clarify my concept of "God".
It is not the concept of the Abrahamic religions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Ok - so its the definition of God which comes into question here.'God' could equally be termed 'the Cosmos' or the 'ether'.

I am with you on that. I am a Buddhist, and while we don't believe in a creator God, we don't necessarily refute the existence of deities (some do).

One of the basic Buddhist principles in some sects is that God lives within us. That is to say that every decision we take, every action we make and every thought we conceive of shapes our reality and therefore our future.

Its a little glib for me but i see more sense in that than the concept of an omnipotent creator God.

Because truth be told - there is more evidence of extra terrestrial activity than there is of God. ie, at least there are photos of what claim to be UFOs. There is however not much photographic proof of deities.

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Ok - so its the definition of God which comes into question here.'God' could equally be termed 'the Cosmos' or the 'ether'.
I am with you on that. I am a Buddhist, and while we don't believe in a creator God, we don't necessarily refute the existence of deities (some do).
One of the basic Buddhist principles in some sects is that God lives within us. That is to say that every decision we take, every action we make and every thought we conceive of shapes our reality and therefore our future.
Its a little glib for me but i see more sense in that than the concept of an omnipotent creator God.
Because truth be told - there is more evidence of extra terrestrial activity than there is of God. ie, at least there are photos of what claim to be UFOs. There is however not much photographic proof of deities.
I beg to differ. The evidence for god far surpasses evidence for extraterrestrial physical life, for which there is none.

Both propositions rely mostly on deduction and logical inference. As such, the case for god is, once again, far superior.
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I beg to differ. The evidence for god far surpasses evidence for extraterrestrial physical life, for which there is none.
Both propositions rely mostly on deduction and logical inference. As such, the case for god is, once again, far superior.
So both the terms God and Evidence are now called into question.

If evidence is the unparalleled beauty of nature and the intricate technological marvel that is the humn brain then I am not convinced.

Such things could be equally attributed to elementary equilibrium or even Extra-terrestrial intereference.

A celestial being with unequalled power descends upon the earth and gives life and knowledge to mankind. He even clones another human from the first's rib.

I am being facetious, but you can see how easily a mythical story can be born of an actual event.

I am averse to organised religion because of the horrendous crimes that have been committed in it's name. I refuse to give credibility to any of them by assigning myself to a single faith.

And as much as I would love to believe that everything we see is the result of millins of years of evolution, I can't help thinking that Humans with their amazing brains and power of speech are a cut above the rest

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