Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Relig...

Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Religious Movement",...

There are 1726 comments on the Gateway Pundit story from Aug 28, 2013, titled Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Religious Movement",.... In it, Gateway Pundit reports that:

Is the DOJ collectively inhaling something toxic? The U.S. Justice Department has just identified atheism as a "religious movement" .

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#1514 Nov 3, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>would that mean that since you (don't have an active belief that there are no deities) that you are open to the idea that there might be one or some?
No, its impossible, lying about god is pointless.

Since: Nov 12

Eureka, CA

#1515 Nov 3, 2013
Thank you, Buck, for giving the linguistic reasons why atheism is different from agnosticism as is as much a belief system as any religious one. Atheism cannot be held by anyone who truly is objective in weighing the known facts about the role of religious consciousness in individual and community consciousness. This thread attracts atheist OCD victims who can't stand to have their fundie belief system exposed as such as DoJ did showing some independent wisdom for a change.

“you must not give faith”

Since: Jul 12

Leicester, UK

#1516 Nov 3, 2013
biomystic wrote:
Benjamin Frankly"] lets make a comparison, a comparison between you and a bloodthirsty religious terrorist. The bible commands it's following to kill: gays Leviticus 11:10, unbelievers Deuteronomy 17:2-5, participants in adultery Leviticus 20:10 and unruly children 21:15-17."...
Benji, you make my argument very clear why anyone who thinks rationally will spot your atheist fundamentalist belief system for what it is.
You didn't quote the part that mattered "The more you deine you do these things the clearer it is you do. Just like how atheists deine being religious... If you don't want to be exposed to the world as a terrorist you must stop using the argument that atheists fundamentalists, for my argument works in the same way as yours to deine mine means you must deine your own." That is the main point, if your argument is valid then I can use it to in order to show you to be a terrorist. If you can use the amount of denial atheists show when they are called fundamentalist to show atheists are fundamentalist, we can use the amount of your denial when we call you a terrorist to show you are a terrorist.

Usually my posts to you reach the limit but a last this post is different, I only quoted the first part of your post as the rest seems to be up held by it and it alone. So now it seems we are fighting on one key point, when one of us wins on this everything will fall on the winning side. At last the end is near...

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Since: Mar 13

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#1517 Nov 3, 2013
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, yes, everyone changes their minds about millions of things over the course of their lifetime - that is perfectly logical.
However, to say that man has free will to make all of those choices AND an omniscient god knows exactly what those choices will be before he makes them are two distinct thoughts that cannot coexist.
Tell me, mr know it all- why can't they?

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Since: Mar 13

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#1518 Nov 3, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
After you've proven your god, all your stupid sh*t will matter more, but you're a coward.
To believe that a Christian is a coward is to be an idiot. And you seem to put a lot of effort into it.

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#1519 Nov 3, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>Tell me, mr know it all- why can't they?
I already did. Try reading it slower.

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Since: Jan 10

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#1520 Nov 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Whichever you choose, you choose.
That's why it's called "choose".
You cannot have a choice if your future has already been determined for you.

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Since: Jan 10

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#1521 Nov 3, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>Didn't say we were slaves, sport. By your interpretation, all children are slaves.
This is what you said
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>
We belong to God, body and soul to dispose of and to use as He sees fit..
Sorry sir, but we cannot legally dispose of children and use them as we see fit. Pedos get prosecuted when they use children in for their desires and parents who kill kids are brought to justice.
That is what defines the difference between a slave, a child, a employee, or a soldier. Each of these are subordinate to another, the child. But none can be disposed of at the whims of the one in authority.
You would have us be the slaves of a tyrant who kills people for the most ridiculous of reasons.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1522 Nov 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong.
Atheism is a belief - that there are no deities.
Lacking either belief would be agnosticism or verificationism.
Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy (the preeminent reference tool for philosophy):
"Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. It proposes positive belief rather than mere suspension of disbelief."
The "world" according to Buck-- not based in any reality of any kind.

Amusing.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1523 Nov 3, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>Yes. Then you are predestined NOT to do it. The only way to know the difference is to be God. Though bob and other atheists desire so adamantly, this will never happen.
So you freely admit your god does not grant free will?

WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE, THEN?

Just to bother people and make yourself annoying?

Hmmmm....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1524 Nov 3, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for your input- I was beginning to feel a lit-tle bit like Daniel.
Buck has no connection with reality as anyone knows it.

He is **not** your ally in this dograce.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1525 Nov 3, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>Please do- but I challenge you to find it in the New Testament, from a Book influenced by the author's association with Jesus Christ.
You made the claim.

It is up to **YOU** to find "free will" in the bible.

You won't find it **at**all**.

But-- you **will** find many examples where free will is usurped by bible-god.

The most damming from your perspective?

Is the little one that states (more or less): "no man comes to the father, but that the [holy]spirit draw him"

That one right there, pretty much says there is no free will.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1526 Nov 3, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>Didn't say we were slaves, sport. By your interpretation, all children are slaves.
There are laws which prevent that: you are not allowed to beat the snot out of your kid for no reason--- the government **will** remove that kid from your home.

Proving beyond a doubt, that modern **secular** culture is superior in every way to your bible's

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1527 Nov 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you are wrong, as of now.
If you maintain your position further, you will be lying.
Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not (Academic American Encyclopedia).
Atheism, system of thought developed around the denial of God's existence. Atheism, so defined, first appeared during the Enlightenment, the age of reason (Random House Encyclopedia-1977).
Atheism is the doctrine that there is no God.(Oxford Companion to Philosophy-1995).
Atheism (Greek, a-[private prefix]+ theos, god) is the view that there is no divine being, no God (Dictionary of Philosophy, Thomas Mautner, Editor-1996).
Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist (The World Book Encyclopedia-1991).
Atheism, commonly speaking, is the denial of God. Theism (from the Greek theos, God) is belief in or conceptualization of God, atheism is the rejection of such belief or conceptualization.In the ancient world atheism was rarely a clearly formulated position (Encyclopedia Americana-1990).
Atheism, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswerable, for the atheist, the non-existence of god is a certainty (The New Encyclopedia Britannia-1993).
According to the most usual definition, an atheist is a person who maintains that there is no godÂ…(rejects eccentric definitions of the word)(The Encyclopedia of Philosophy-1967).
Atheism is the doctrine that God does not exist, that belief in the existence of God is a false belief. The word God here refers to a divine being regarded as the independent creator of the world, a being superlatively powerful, wise and good (Encyclopedia of Religion-1987).
Atheism (Greek and Roman): Atheism is a dogmatic creed, consisting in the denial of every kind of supernatural power. Atheism has not often been seriously maintained at any period of civilized thought (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics-Vol II).
Atheism denies the existence of deity (Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia-Vol I).
The World According to Buck-- with **edits** and deliberate **omissions** too.

Reality has absolutely **no** connection to this myth-delusion of Buck's.

But that's okay-- Buck is a self-admitted psychopath, having spent many years in and out of jail.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1528 Nov 3, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>Your attempt at sarcasm has accidently made you correct. The only way you would know your destiny is if you were God. How many people do you know who grew up thinking they knew what they wanted to do in life, what their passion was, only to do something completely different?
Why are you still here?

You do not believe we atheists can be redeemed anyway.

You are just wasting everyone's time.

Interesting.

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Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1529 Nov 3, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>would that mean that since you (don't have an active belief that there are no deities) that you are open to the idea that there might be one or some?
I cannot speak for him-- but **I** certainly am open to **facts** and **evidence** that would point to a deity or deities.

So far?

No one has risen to the challenge-- nor has anyone even tried.

But that's okay-- I keep hoping someone will, one day.

Because, well... comets and shyt.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1530 Nov 3, 2013
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
If someone were to provide absolute proof that elves or leprechauns or deities or unicorns actually existed, of course I would believe they existed.
In the meantime, however, there are far too many things that actually do exist that one can devote his time and thoughts to...
Exactly!

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#1531 Nov 3, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
There are laws which prevent that: you are not allowed to beat the snot out of your kid for no reason--- the government **will** remove that kid from your home.
Proving beyond a doubt, that modern **secular** culture is superior in every way to your bible's
To compare children to slaves, that guy is an idiot.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1532 Nov 3, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
To compare children to slaves, that guy is an idiot.
He is **desperate** to try to justify the ugly that is his god.

What he fails to realize?

Is that to a rationalist-- or an atheist, even?

We see through his pathetic efforts, because we also see that the monster that was called "god" in the bible is just that: a monster.

A human created "boogey man" used to brow-beat people into submission.

It works, too-- Hunts is a fine example of a submissive, brow-beaten and mentally-oppressed mind-slave.

It's sad, really.

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#1533 Nov 3, 2013
biomystic wrote:
Thank you, Buck, for giving the linguistic reasons why atheism is different from agnosticism as is as much a belief system as any religious one. Atheism cannot be held by anyone who truly is objective in weighing the known facts about the role of religious consciousness in individual and community consciousness. This thread attracts atheist OCD victims who can't stand to have their fundie belief system exposed as such as DoJ did showing some independent wisdom for a change.
When you're brave enough to prove your god, you won't need to hide behind weakly veiled verbal attacks on atheists.

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