Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Relig...

Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Religious Movement",...

There are 1726 comments on the Gateway Pundit story from Aug 28, 2013, titled Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Religious Movement",.... In it, Gateway Pundit reports that:

Is the DOJ collectively inhaling something toxic? The U.S. Justice Department has just identified atheism as a "religious movement" .

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#1494 Nov 3, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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In other words, we are slaves. Whatever happened to free will?
To speak of slavery, I just watched a movie on slavery called 12 yrs a slave. All those godbots pulling out scripture from both the ot and the nt supporting slavery.
Didn't say we were slaves, sport. By your interpretation, all children are slaves.

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#1495 Nov 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Whichever you choose, you choose.
That's why it's called "choose".
Thanks, but you didn't answer the question.

Can I choose to not do something I'm predestined to do?

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#1496 Nov 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Wrong.
Atheism is a belief - that there are no deities.
Lacking either belief would be agnosticism or verificationism.
Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy (the preeminent reference tool for philosophy):
"Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. It proposes positive belief rather than mere suspension of disbelief."
Thanks, but I was responding to someone who called atheism a religion…which it clearly is not.

All atheism is is the lack of belief in deities.

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#1497 Nov 3, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>Yes. Then you are predestined NOT to do it. The only way to know the difference is to be God. Though bob and other atheists desire so adamantly, this will never happen.
So, if I'm predestined to do something, and I choose not to do something, then I was, in fact, predestined to not do it?

LOL…okay.

Nice try, though.

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#1498 Nov 3, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Thanks, but I was responding to someone who called atheism a religion…which it clearly is not.
All atheism is is the lack of belief in deities.
No, you are wrong, as of now.

If you maintain your position further, you will be lying.

Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not (Academic American Encyclopedia).

Atheism, system of thought developed around the denial of God's existence. Atheism, so defined, first appeared during the Enlightenment, the age of reason (Random House Encyclopedia-1977).

Atheism is the doctrine that there is no God.(Oxford Companion to Philosophy-1995).

Atheism (Greek, a-[private prefix]+ theos, god) is the view that there is no divine being, no God (Dictionary of Philosophy, Thomas Mautner, Editor-1996).

Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist (The World Book Encyclopedia-1991).

Atheism, commonly speaking, is the denial of God. Theism (from the Greek theos, God) is belief in or conceptualization of God, atheism is the rejection of such belief or conceptualization.In the ancient world atheism was rarely a clearly formulated position (Encyclopedia Americana-1990).

Atheism, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswerable, for the atheist, the non-existence of god is a certainty (The New Encyclopedia Britannia-1993).

According to the most usual definition, an atheist is a person who maintains that there is no god…(rejects eccentric definitions of the word)(The Encyclopedia of Philosophy-1967).

Atheism is the doctrine that God does not exist, that belief in the existence of God is a false belief. The word God here refers to a divine being regarded as the independent creator of the world, a being superlatively powerful, wise and good (Encyclopedia of Religion-1987).

Atheism (Greek and Roman): Atheism is a dogmatic creed, consisting in the denial of every kind of supernatural power. Atheism has not often been seriously maintained at any period of civilized thought (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics-Vol II).

Atheism denies the existence of deity (Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia-Vol I).

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#1499 Nov 3, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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So, if I'm predestined to do something, and I choose not to do something, then I was, in fact, predestined to not do it?
LOL…okay.
Nice try, though.
This is a re-hash of the old omniscience/free-will argument that has gone on in philosophy for centuries.

Your side suffers a fallacy - displaced causality.

It is largely a linguistic argument.

If the predestined individual is "known" by the omniscient individual to choose a certain thing in the future, then the "choice" is the cause of the foreknowledge, thus the predestination, not vice-versa.

In other words, the choice causes the foreknowledge, not the foreknowledge causing the choice. Displaced causality.

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#1500 Nov 3, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Thanks, but you didn't answer the question.
Can I choose to not do something I'm predestined to do?
Yes. You have the ability to choose, but you will not.

Why do you think anything is pre-destined?

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#1501 Nov 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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This is a re-hash of the old omniscience/free-will argument that has gone on in philosophy for centuries.
Your side suffers a fallacy - displaced causality.
It is largely a linguistic argument.
If the predestined individual is "known" by the omniscient individual to choose a certain thing in the future, then the "choice" is the cause of the foreknowledge, thus the predestination, not vice-versa.
In other words, the choice causes the foreknowledge, not the foreknowledge causing the choice. Displaced causality.
Well, I don't have a "side" so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Here's the problem with your statement:

"So, I can choose A or B?"

"Yep - choose away."

"I choose B"

"I KNEW you would choose B!"

"Really? What if I had chosen A?"

"Then I would have known you would have chosen A!"

"Ummm…yeah."

LOL

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#1502 Nov 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Yes. You have the ability to choose, but you will not.
Why do you think anything is pre-destined?
I don't. I was responding to someone.

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#1503 Nov 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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No, you are wrong, as of now.
If you maintain your position further, you will be lying.
Atheism, from the Greek a-theos ("no-god"), is the philosophical position that God doesn't exist. It is distinguished from agnosticism, the argument that it is impossible to know whether God exists or not (Academic American Encyclopedia).
Atheism, system of thought developed around the denial of God's existence. Atheism, so defined, first appeared during the Enlightenment, the age of reason (Random House Encyclopedia-1977).
Atheism is the doctrine that there is no God.(Oxford Companion to Philosophy-1995).
Atheism (Greek, a-[private prefix]+ theos, god) is the view that there is no divine being, no God (Dictionary of Philosophy, Thomas Mautner, Editor-1996).
Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist (The World Book Encyclopedia-1991).
Atheism, commonly speaking, is the denial of God. Theism (from the Greek theos, God) is belief in or conceptualization of God, atheism is the rejection of such belief or conceptualization.In the ancient world atheism was rarely a clearly formulated position (Encyclopedia Americana-1990).
Atheism, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswerable, for the atheist, the non-existence of god is a certainty (The New Encyclopedia Britannia-1993).
According to the most usual definition, an atheist is a person who maintains that there is no god…(rejects eccentric definitions of the word)(The Encyclopedia of Philosophy-1967).
Atheism is the doctrine that God does not exist, that belief in the existence of God is a false belief. The word God here refers to a divine being regarded as the independent creator of the world, a being superlatively powerful, wise and good (Encyclopedia of Religion-1987).
Atheism (Greek and Roman): Atheism is a dogmatic creed, consisting in the denial of every kind of supernatural power. Atheism has not often been seriously maintained at any period of civilized thought (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics-Vol II).
Atheism denies the existence of deity (Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia-Vol I).
Unless you have a word for people who don't believe in unicorns, elves and leprechauns, you're argument isn't valid.

I don't have an active belief that there are no deities, I just don't believe in deities. Not Thor, not Zeus, not Isis, not Shiva, not Allah, not the god of the bible.

There is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof that any god or gods ever existed. Just like elves and unicorns and leprechauns.

(By the way, your constant referral to a singular god with a capital "G" kind of gives your agenda away…)
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#1504 Nov 3, 2013
Evangelical Atheist often an atheist cult member
who has become extremely vocal about their atheism and is trying to convince others of their point of view.
Often they are regarded as an embarrassment by fellow atheists and amusement for normal agnostics and people of faith.

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#1505 Nov 3, 2013
biomystic wrote:
Benjamin Frankly"] lets make a comparison, a comparison between you and a bloodthirsty religious terrorist. The bible commands it's following to kill: gays Leviticus 11:10, unbelievers Deuteronomy 17:2-5, participants in adultery Leviticus 20:10 and unruly children 21:15-17."...
Benji, you make my argument very clear why anyone who thinks rationally will spot your atheist fundamentalist belief system for what it is. You're quacking like a fundamentalist atheist duck and because all of you are in denial about your fundamentalism you think you're not: OK: Here it is--your fundamentalist atheist belief believes all Christians are fundamentalist believers--this belief is taken as fundamental to atheist reaction to theism. But this atheist belief is utterly wrong and only creates these Christian strawmen for atheists to attack. The fact is in our time most Christians in Western nations are NOT fundamentalist believers believing in Christianity in the same way Christians did hundreds of years ago, i.e. similar in religious fanaticism to today's Muslims. Most modern Christians have changed and greatly moderated their Bible beliefs yet atheists need the old fundamentalist strawman to attack because it's easier to topple than to tell the truth about modern Christian liberalism in Bible interpretation that atheists are in complete denial about, never mention it, only want to paint the black and white old Christianity that's centuries out of date. Even Creationists are stretching the meaning of what a "day" means in God's time as verification of liberalism spreading through Christian doctrines.
Then there's the fact that atheists never look at the Other Christianity that share NONE of the horrible history of Catholic and Protestant war-filled history. That is Gnostic Christianity in which my own form of Christian beliefs are rooted and we Gnostics were the very first victims of Pauline Church Christianity and that too you atheists never look at, never look at our doctrines which are completely different from all your beefs with Bible Christians. We don't even hold the Bible as our main spiritual authority and you missed how us Gnostics have no use for the Fraud of Israel. And we are Christians. You atheists are in denial of our existence and influence on Christian theology because you need your fundamentalist Pauline Christian strawmen as your own atheist ideology cannot withstand Gnosis, it is exposed as a fundamentalist belief system as we see by the use of denial of facts that counter the fundamentalist beliefs.
And you cannot deny this is true because it is. Historical facts of Gnostic Christianity's difference in basic Christian theology is fact yet atheists are in denial and want to paint all Christians as fundamentalist Evangelicals when we are not at all.
This isn't even going into the other areas of atheists fundamentalism in belief: denial of brain science facts that show human brains hardwired by evolutionary forces molding human behavior patterns that seem to include spiritual phenomena unmeasurable to the atheist ruler and scale that wants to measure God for a suit of clothes when we theists KNOW that the Emperor wears no clothes. He's only human. God's something Else. And atheists are in complete denial of the obvious fact their own ideology is a mirror to fundamentalist theism--both refusing to see any facts countering the cherished _________(fill in the fundie ideology)________ Belief System.
Didn't read wall of bullshit from topix brain dead fundamentalist

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#1506 Nov 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Wrong.
Atheism is a belief - that there are no deities.
Lacking either belief would be agnosticism or verificationism.
Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy (the preeminent reference tool for philosophy):
"Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. It proposes positive belief rather than mere suspension of disbelief."
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barry

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#1507 Nov 3, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Thanks, but you didn't answer the question.
Can I choose to not do something I'm predestined to do?
yes

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#1508 Nov 3, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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So, if I'm predestined to do something, and I choose not to do something, then I was, in fact, predestined to not do it?
LOL…okay.
Nice try, though.
Your attempt at sarcasm has accidently made you correct. The only way you would know your destiny is if you were God. How many people do you know who grew up thinking they knew what they wanted to do in life, what their passion was, only to do something completely different?
barry

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#1509 Nov 3, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Unless you have a word for people who don't believe in unicorns, elves and leprechauns, you're argument isn't valid.
I don't have an active belief that there are no deities, I just don't believe in deities. Not Thor, not Zeus, not Isis, not Shiva, not Allah, not the god of the bible.
There is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof that any god or gods ever existed. Just like elves and unicorns and leprechauns.
(By the way, your constant referral to a singular god with a capital "G" kind of gives your agenda away…)
would that mean that since you (don't have an active belief that there are no deities) that you are open to the idea that there might be one or some?

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#1510 Nov 3, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>would that mean that since you (don't have an active belief that there are no deities) that you are open to the idea that there might be one or some?
If someone were to provide absolute proof that elves or leprechauns or deities or unicorns actually existed, of course I would believe they existed.

In the meantime, however, there are far too many things that actually do exist that one can devote his time and thoughts to...

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#1511 Nov 3, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>Your attempt at sarcasm has accidently made you correct. The only way you would know your destiny is if you were God. How many people do you know who grew up thinking they knew what they wanted to do in life, what their passion was, only to do something completely different?
Um, yes, everyone changes their minds about millions of things over the course of their lifetime - that is perfectly logical.

However, to say that man has free will to make all of those choices AND an omniscient god knows exactly what those choices will be before he makes them are two distinct thoughts that cannot coexist.

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#1512 Nov 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Atheism, commonly speaking, is the denial of God.
Says the Creationist liar who is full of sh*t.

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#1513 Nov 3, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>Your attempt at sarcasm has accidently made you correct. The only way you would know your destiny is if you were God. How many people do you know who grew up thinking they knew what they wanted to do in life, what their passion was, only to do something completely different?
After you've proven your god, all your stupid sh*t will matter more, but you're a coward.

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