Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Religious Movement",...

Aug 28, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Gateway Pundit

Is the DOJ collectively inhaling something toxic? The U.S. Justice Department has just identified atheism as a "religious movement" .

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If Jane prays to win the lottery is God required to let her win the
lottery? No. God will still answer her prayer, but God isn't required to answer a prayer the way we think it should be answered after all we are fallible human beings.
That's not what Jesus allegedly promised. It is right there in black and white. Ask for it and you will receive it.

If there is a god, and his response to prayer is to do what he thinks best, what is the point of praying? Presumably, god is going to do what he thinks best regardless of your prayer. So, whether you pray or don't pray, the outcome will be the same either way. Prayer has no effect on the outcome. If Jane has cancer and prays for a cure, the prayer will not affect the outcome. If your god intends for her to die from cancer, then that is what will happen, prayer or no prayer. If god does not plan for her to die that way, she will be cured, prayer or no prayer. And all the promises to grant believers what they pray for? As Elwood Blues said in the Blues Brothers movie, "I took the liberty of bullsh*tting you". "It wasn't lies, it was just bullsh*t".

So, if the parts of the gospels where Jesus promises to deliver up whatever you pray for can't be believed, how can you say with any degree of confidence that any other part of the gospel isn't at least as suspect?
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His point was to address the issue of a "loving' God who does not to help while people are being tortured.
What makes you think God isn't giving us more grace to endure our sufferings?

What makes you think God didn't contribute to the defeat of Nazi Germany? What makes you think God didn't contribute to the defeat of the Communists in the cold war? What makes you think Hitler has gone unpunished?
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His point was to address the issue of a "loving' God who does not to help while people are being tortured.
rabbee: maybe they did, something horribly wrong as usual?

G-D spoke spoke all these statements, saying:

IAM HaShem*, your G-D, WHO has taken you out of the land of egypt, from the house of slavery.

you shall not recognize the g-ds of others in MY Presence. you shall not make yourself a carved image or any likeness of that which is in heavens above the earth or below or in the water beneath the earth. you shall not prostrate yourself to them nor worship them, for IAM HaShem*, your G-D - a jealous G-D, WHO visits the sins of fathers upon children to the third and fourth generation, for my enemies; but WHO knows kindness for thousands [of generations] to those who love ME and observe MY commandments.
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That's not what Jesus allegedly promised. It is right there in black and white. Ask for it and you will receive it.
If there is a god, and his response to prayer is to do what he thinks best, what is the point of praying? Presumably, god is going to do what he thinks best regardless of your prayer. So, whether you pray or don't pray, the outcome will be the same either way. Prayer has no effect on the outcome. If Jane has cancer and prays for a cure, the prayer will not affect the outcome. If your god intends for her to die from cancer, then that is what will happen, prayer or no prayer. If god does not plan for her to die that way, she will be cured, prayer or no prayer. And all the promises to grant believers what they pray for? As Elwood Blues said in the Blues Brothers movie, "I took the liberty of bullsh*tting you". "It wasn't lies, it was just bullsh*t".
So, if the parts of the gospels where Jesus promises to deliver up whatever you pray for can't be believed, how can you say with any degree of confidence that any other part of the gospel isn't at least as suspect?
Prayer does work. God isn't obligated to answer a prayer the way we want him to answer it. We may be asking for something that would not be good for us. Likewise, we are all going to die because we are mortal. God may or not choose to answer a prayer to cure cancer by curing the cancer, but the prayer will not be pointless if God chooses to answer it differently than by curing the cancer.

In your extreme misinterpretation of scripture, God is obligated to answer prayer by giving us anything we ask of him. That is not consistent with the teaching of the Bible nor the teaching of the church.

In your extreme misinterpretation of scripture, God would be our slave and thus not perfect.
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Prayer does work. God isn't obligated to answer a prayer the way we want him ..
Prayer does not work. The universe is amoral, indifferent to our suffering. That is proof that there is no God.
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It is quite obvious that valid prayers go unanswered. In WW2 6 million Jews were gassed. No doubt they as God's chosen people, may have expected God to do something, instead silence, as usual. What does this tell you?
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Prayer does work. God isn't obligated to answer a prayer the way we want him to answer it. We may be asking for something that would not be good for us. Likewise, we are all going to die because we are mortal. God may or not choose to answer a prayer to cure cancer by curing the cancer, but the prayer will not be pointless if God chooses to answer it differently than by curing the cancer.
In your extreme misinterpretation of scripture, God is obligated to answer prayer by giving us anything we ask of him. That is not consistent with the teaching of the Bible nor the teaching of the church.
In your extreme misinterpretation of scripture, God would be our slave and thus not perfect.
You call it "extreme misinterpretation". I call it reading the plain English text and interpreting the words according to their ordinary meaning. Read the quotes I provided. They say, in plain English, that if you ask for something, you will get what you asked for, not what god thinks is best for you. It isn't in just one place. It is in several different books in the bible, by different authors. So, "it wasn't translated correctly", or "it was transcribed wrong" will not fly as a way to explain away the plain text.

You claim your god is perfect and infallible. If so, explain why the promises made are so different from what he actually does. Is your omniscient and omnipotent god incapable of producing an English version of the bible in which the text accurately conveys his meaning?

You are talking utter nonsense. "God may or not choose to answer a prayer to cure cancer by curing the cancer, but the prayer will not be pointless if God chooses to answer it differently than by curing the cancer." If I pray for my cancer to be cured, and god "answers" that prayer by allowing the cancer to kill me, the prayer was obviously futile. The result was the same that it would have been in the absence of any prayer. Doing an action intending it to influence the outcome of an event is pointless is that action has no power to influence the outcome of the event. The act of praying and the act of rubbing a 'lucky' rabbit's foot have exactly the same power to influence whether I recover from cancer or not. That's a pretty textbook definition of "pointless".

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"It's almost as if The Bible was written by racist, sexist, homophobic, violent, sexually frustrated men, instead of a loving God. Weird."
--Ricky Gervais

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God is an accessory to millions of deaths every year.
Exactly! By refusing to act? This "ultimate creator", this "god" thingy?

Is culpable in **all** murders, everywhere.

It has nothing to do with free will, either--a simple whisper in the mind of the potential victim would be sufficient: "don't go to the store just yet-- wait an hour". And the **potential** victim misses the robbery that would have gone bad, and doesn't get killed.

For a **god**? It would be simple to prevent 90% of the murders from ever happening at all--

--- WITHOUT infringing on any free will.

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Dude, that must be some awesome weed...
More like acid... some acid that's gone bad, too.

Or perhaps a flashback?

... hmmm.

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... and the total inactivity of God or gods is firm evidence on the side of non-existence.
Exactly.

Just as the complete lack of elephant dung in anyone's backyard, is pretty good evidence that there are no elephants in the yard, invisible or otherwise.

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If Jane prays to win the lottery is God required to let her win the
lottery? No. God will still answer her prayer, but God isn't required to answer a prayer the way we think it should be answered after all we are fallible human beings.
So.

If it is GOD'S WILL, with EACH AND EVERY PRAYER?

That means:

Anyone who loses a child to some god-preventable disease?

YOUR UGLY GOD WAS IN FAVOR OF THE KID DYING NEEDLESSLY.

Your god is one sick and ugly monster.

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To eliminate evil as you suggest, God would have to eliminate all human beings and all creation.
Bullshit. I can think of any number of situations where human-created evil is still around, on a **very** small scale.

But world-spanning and GREAT evil is not.

If your god REALLY DID GIVE A SHYT?

He would prevent the latter, while allowing the former.

Is this the case?

NO!

Either your god is **OKAY** WITH GREAT EVIL?

Or your god isn't there at all.

WHICH IS IT?

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The problem is you are trying to judge God my mortal standards. To a mortal, death is one of the worst evils, but it really isn't evil, it is part of our mortal nature that we must die.
You are correct: I DO JUDGE YOUR GOD-- AS A BARE MINIMUM--BY MORTAL STANDARDS.

Guess what?

YOUR GOD DOES NOT MEASURE UP.

Your god is LESS MORAL, that mere humans.

LESS MORAL THAT MORTAL HUMAN BEINGS.

LESS MORAL.

Your god?

Evil.

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You are forgetting, the mere mortals are the ones causing the evil.
You are forgetting: not ALL evil is by the hand of man.

**SOME** evil is considered purely natural--

-- or as the Insurance Companies put it?

AN ACT OF GOD.

This is **ESPECIALLY** true of most Great Evil.

Your god?

Either WANTS this Great Evil to happen?

OR IS NOT THERE.

Which is it?

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Millions of deaths are caused every year by those who are ignoring God and the Church.
BILLIONS of deaths a year are caused by an Act Of God: starvation, floods (or other natural events), random accident, disease, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, etc.

Making your hideous god the #1 murderer of all time.

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First, God is not inactive..
Meaning?

EACH AND EVERY "ACCIDENTAL" DEATH IS A DIRECT RESULT OF YOUR GOD'S FAILURE TO ACT.

Your god?

The #1 murderer of all time-- if he were actually REAL, that is.

Are you SURE you want such an evil being to be real?

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What makes you think God isn't giving us more grace to endure our sufferings?
Right.

The difference between ME and your IMMORAL GOD?

If **I** as a mere mortal, see a woman being attacked?

Do you think I will sneak up, and begin telling her encouraging things? "Hang in there--it'll be over soon. Just cooperate--keep your strength up, he'll be done in a minute. Just concentrate on puppies or kittens, and it'll be all over."

WTF?

I would do my dead-level best to STOP THE ATTACK ANY WAY I COULD.

Making **ME** more moral than your hideous god!

Your GOD? COULD HAVE WARNED THE WOMAN AWAY, before the attack even had a chance to begin-- by giving her a bad feeling, or even a mild headache, such that she stayed home instead.

But NOOOO--- your god ALLOWS THE ATTACK TO COMMENCE.

And "gives her the strength to endure"...

WHAT?

THE?

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Prayer does work.
Lie.

If your god MUST abide by his PLAN?(his will)?

THEN THE PRAYER CANNOT POSSIBLY HAVE ANY AFFECT IN ANYTHING.

For your god will do what he was GOING to do in the FIRST PLACE.

Rendering any and all prayer -- redundant.

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Prayer does not work. The universe is amoral, indifferent to our suffering. That is proof that there is no God.
Correct.

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