Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Relig...

Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Religious Movement",...

There are 1726 comments on the Gateway Pundit story from Aug 28, 2013, titled Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Religious Movement",.... In it, Gateway Pundit reports that:

Is the DOJ collectively inhaling something toxic? The U.S. Justice Department has just identified atheism as a "religious movement" .

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“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#515 Sep 19, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>
You missed the point.
Let me rephrase it.
Your logic would indicate that if you do something good it proves God exists and that if you do something evil it proves that God does not exist. God's existence does not depend upon human beings or other mortal creatures.
His point was to address the issue of a "loving' God who does not to help while people are being tortured.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

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#516 Sep 19, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
What makes you think God ignored it? The Nazis were defeated you know.
At the cost of millions of lies. How lovionng for God to rely on Britain and America when he could have stopped the Holocaust with one zap?

“Sombrero Galaxy”

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#517 Sep 19, 2013
biomystic wrote:
Remember that I predicted our atheists cannot stop posting because this an ego trip for them to try to bash theists, Christian theists almost exclusively btw, because atheists are envious of theists who have something they don't have. Spiritual consciousness, the ability to actually be able to use the right-brain hemisphere's wisdom along with left-brain reasoning to create holistic consciousness instead of being perpetually locked into the lesser single-brain hemisphere's domination of atheist consciousness which makes them appear as half-wits when they try to tell holistic thinkers holistic bicameral thinking is inferior to single-brain hemisphere dominated thinking. And as usual, the telling sign of of atheist ego tripping instead of rational debate happening here, is continual baiting of theists without ever learning a blessed thing new which is why we have virtual non-stop reruns of atheist slogan thinking. It's all they got to offer: crummy reasoning of atheist soundbite thinking can only produce the easy mental cut-and-past responses from posting them a jillion times on these Christian religious forums as if the majority of atheists are lapsed or reformed drunk syndrome anti-Christian former Christians.
Trust me, I have no use for you or your "spiritual consciences." We are not jealous of you guys in the least. in fact we feel a bit sorry for you people because you enslave yourself to your delusional fantasies.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#518 Sep 20, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>It is all their own fault. If even one of them had prayed according to the buybull,(in his name)as directed, history would have had a whole nother outcome recorded.
Proof?
Jesus didn't and can't lie.
Had even one of them followed the buybull's dictates, Jewsus would have answered the prayers.
And he didn't, so they didn't. If they believed in their god, they would follow the buybull, and could immediately prove their god real, with one simple prayer.
We are not the only non-beleivers, they are too. They have to take our word for it, but they can just go us one better, and prove they don't beleive.
And all they have to do is not pray.
(snerk)
Yep.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#519 Sep 20, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
They praise god when things go good, but dissociate any responsibility for God, when things go bad.
In short?

The "god" they worship is nothing more than a roll of 12 on two 6-sided dice....

....LOL!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#520 Sep 20, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text> I don't know you or Bob personally. However both of you were being tortured, I would do my best to help the two of you and any human being in that fate.
What use is there for a "loving" god when he does nothing to protect us.
Exactly!

A mere mortal human would quickly render aid, where these "gods" chief trait?

Is to steadfastly **REFUSE** any and all relief from random evil.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#521 Sep 20, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Trust me, I have no use for you or your "spiritual consciences." We are not jealous of you guys in the least. in fact we feel a bit sorry for you people because you enslave yourself to your delusional fantasies.
The dude cannot muster up a simple paragraph.

I have no time for wall-o-words that offer up nothing useful.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#522 Sep 20, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
At the cost of millions of lies. How lovionng for God to rely on Britain and America when he could have stopped the Holocaust with one zap?
Indeed--- all those lives spent, all those busted-up families, all those kids growing up without fathers ...

... when a ***real*** god could have spared them with one minor act.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

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#523 Sep 20, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly!
A mere mortal human would quickly render aid, where these "gods" chief trait?
Is to steadfastly **REFUSE** any and all relief from random evil.
God is an accessory to millions of deaths every year.

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#524 Sep 20, 2013
biomystic wrote:
What if a Loving God is an Ideal, an Image of Something we become because we've been guided to becoming It through embedded coding that transmits the Ideal through time and generations? In short, what if God is evolving through us? And at this stage in God's evolution, God is weak? I.e. we can't help so many situations as God's material manifestation because our stage of knowledge and ability to manipulate it is very limited. But I ask you to look at the rate of progress in the last 200 years and challenge you to tell me I'm wrong with proof why when I say to you, at that current rate of human gain in knowledge and power to control events continues, can you logically say all the powers we ascribe to God will not be our own one day? We are Holy One. One day you'll see..
Dude, that must be some awesome weed...
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#525 Sep 20, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
God is an accessory to millions of deaths every year.
... and the total inactivity of God or gods is firm evidence on the side of non-existence.

Since: Nov 12

Eureka, CA

#526 Sep 20, 2013
Just think, Just Think. Think logically for a change, you know, that mentality you so vociferously claim to possess. Well, we gotta see it to believe it, fella.
But on another perhaps more cosmic level, yeah, it is awesome weed seeing how's where I live in God's Garden, Humboldt County and that's why you're getting superior information coming from superior mentality like our potent product promotes, the proof of which our superior product is now known ALL around the world. It thus provides an Emerald carpet for those of us with the ability to reveal God's Plan the psychic and thereby spiritual power to warp men's minds...no, no, no, Inspire men and women's minds, expand them into higher consciousness where brain association pathways are expanded as well increased physically with dialated capillaries supplying blood to the brain association networks. Are you copying this to Word Pad, well, do so, Just Think.

Since: Nov 12

Eureka, CA

#527 Sep 20, 2013
Emperorjohns, it is you who are wearing no clothes. You don't know what you're talking about, do you. You've never had any experience in spiritual consciousness, have you. And yet here you are, like every atheist who posts here, loudly and daily proclaiming to be experts in a subject none of them has a clue about how it works. Amazing egotism being shown but certainly no logic at all as who even wants to waste their time listening to strawbosses telling the actual pros how to do their jobs or in your cases, how to think using only one brain hemisphere, the one that can't process holistic consciousness. Brilliant, atheists, just brilliant.

But someday, really do think logically for a change instead of reacting like fundamentalist true believers unable to face any evidence contradicting the cherished but irrationally held belief system?
CatholicPatriot

Port Richey, FL

#528 Sep 20, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, the bible says he did promise exactly that, many times.
In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
Matthew 21:21:
I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain,'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.
Mark 11:24:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
John 14: 12-14
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it.
Matthew 18:19:
Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
There's too many of these quotes to all be the product of misunderstanding or mistranslation. All the evangelists except Luke agree that Jesus promised that whatever you pray for, you will get.
Clearly, the promise was made - prayers will be answered and the requests granted. No 'if','and' or 'but', except for the condition that you have to have faith 'even as a mustard seed', i.e. a very small amount of faith. No fine print or disclaimer. No announcer speaking really low and fast with all the conditions on the offer, like car dealer commercials on TV.
So, if there is a god, and Jesus spoke on his behalf, and Jesus, by his words made solemn commitments binding on god, then if follows necessarily that a promise was made to answer all prayers by giving that which was prayed for. The post you wrote clearly admits that people do not get that which they pray for. So, either the bible is wrong, and there is no god, or you believe in and worship a god who deceived you by making false promises.
Indeed, your position that god will do whatever he wants or thinks is best for you, regardless of your prayer, leads inexorably to the conclusion that prayer if futile. If god already wanted a certain outcome, that would be the outcome whether you prayed or not. If prayer does not alter the outcome, what is the point of praying?
If Jane prays to win the lottery is God required to let her win the
lottery? No. God will still answer her prayer, but God isn't required to answer a prayer the way we think it should be answered after all we are fallible human beings.
CatholicPatriot

Port Richey, FL

#529 Sep 20, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed--- all those lives spent, all those busted-up families, all those kids growing up without fathers ...
... when a ***real*** god could have spared them with one minor act.
To eliminate evil as you suggest, God would have to eliminate all human beings and all creation.

The problem is you are trying to judge God my mortal standards. To a mortal, death is one of the worst evils, but it really isn't evil, it is part of our mortal nature that we must die.
CatholicPatriot

Port Richey, FL

#530 Sep 20, 2013
"my mortal standards" should be "by mortal standards"

typo
CatholicPatriot

Port Richey, FL

#531 Sep 20, 2013
Cleary one of the options under Judge It should be a question mark.
CatholicPatriot

Port Richey, FL

#532 Sep 20, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly!
A mere mortal human would quickly render aid, where these "gods" chief trait?
Is to steadfastly **REFUSE** any and all relief from random evil.
You are forgetting, the mere mortals are the ones causing the evil.
CatholicPatriot

Port Richey, FL

#533 Sep 20, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
God is an accessory to millions of deaths every year.
Millions of deaths are caused every year by those who are ignoring God and the Church.
CatholicPatriot

Port Richey, FL

#534 Sep 20, 2013
spudgun wrote:
<quoted text>
... and the total inactivity of God or gods is firm evidence on the side of non-existence.
First, God is not inactive.

Second, non-existence is not an option for a perfect being.
A perfect being exists by necessity because if "Jane" has the option of dying and thus not existing, "Jane" is not perfect.

Substitute the "God" for "Jane" in the previous sentence.

Jane is mortal, God is not. Ceasing to exist is not an option for God. Not existing likewise is not an option for God.

The existence of mortals presupposes the existence of an immortal God.

There can only be one God and God is the only necessary being.

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