Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Religious Movement",...

Aug 28, 2013 Full story: Gateway Pundit 1,726

Is the DOJ collectively inhaling something toxic? The U.S. Justice Department has just identified atheism as a "religious movement" .

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#493 Sep 19, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
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You are assuming God is required to answer prayers the way we think he should.
Actually? Your bible says exactly that:

What **ever** is asked in the magical name of Jewus(jesus)?

IS IMMEDIATELY GRANTED, NO QUESTIONS ASKED, NO RESTRICTIONS.

Oh, you will try to excuse this LIE by saying "god's will" and other bullshit-- but NONE of your excuses are in those promises.

But let's examine that ANYWAY:

If it MUST happen ONLY IF IT'S GOD'S WILL?

THEN HITLER'S ATROCITY WERE ALSO BECAUSE OF GOD'S WILL.

Making your god?

Evil.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#494 Sep 19, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
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You are assuming God is required to answer prayers the way we think he should.
I cannot wait to see which excuse you try to come up with, to weasle out of my previous post's observations about your god's inability to prevent Great Evil.

It ought to be quite amusing.
CatholicPatriot

Hudson, FL

#495 Sep 19, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Wow... your ego is utterly without equal.
Do **you** control a whole COUNTRY, now?
No?
Then what **you** do has no effect on the global stage.
Sheesh but you don't understand basic reasoning or logic.
Hitler? He **was** a world leader-- he **did** accomplish great evil.
And your god?
IGNORED THE WHOLE THING LIKE THE WEENIE HE IS.
Perhaps your god was on the toilet the whole time?
Maybe out taking a nap?
Sad for you: your god just keeps on FAILING to prevent GREAT evil.
Time and TIME and time and time again.
You missed the point.

Let me rephrase it.

Your logic would indicate that if you do something good it proves God exists and that if you do something evil it proves that God does not exist. God's existence does not depend upon human beings or other mortal creatures.
CatholicPatriot

Hudson, FL

#496 Sep 19, 2013
What makes you think God ignored it? The Nazis were defeated you know.

In fact, it was Roosevelt and the American isolationists who ignored the evil. Indeed, Roosevelt knew they were gassing Jews and Catholics and sent shiploads back to Europe.

Catholics and Jews pressured for him to intervene but e refused. It lasted as long as it did due to the obstinacy of the president of the United States and the isolationist protestants and atheists who didn't care if the Nazis were murdering Catholics and Jews.

Likewise, Roosevelt was pressured by the Knights of Columbus to intervene in the Communist revolution in Mexico, but the communists were murdering Catholics in Mexico and he didn't care.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#497 Sep 19, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>
You are assuming God is required to answer prayers the way we think he should.
Your bible says your god made a promise to the Jews that they were his chosen people, his especially beloved above all other people. Yet, for a couple thousand years, if he existed he sat on his hands and watched the Jews suffer all manner of pogroms and persecution, almost to the point of extermination. I'd say he broke all his promises, or he is a figment of the imagination. I vote for the latter. The other choice would be to believe in a malevolent deity. I'd rather that there was no one in control than that there was a malign being in control.
CatholicPatriot

Hudson, FL

#498 Sep 19, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I cannot wait to see which excuse you try to come up with, to weasle out of my previous post's observations about your god's inability to prevent Great Evil.
It ought to be quite amusing.
God isn't required to prevent evil. We have free will, and use it or misuse it at our own peril.

You are assuming God must act exactly as you believe he should act.
Why? You are not God. You are not God's judge. Don't you think it is silly for a mere mortal like you to presume to judge God?
CatholicPatriot

Hudson, FL

#499 Sep 19, 2013
Amused wrote:
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Your bible says your god made a promise to the Jews that they were his chosen people, his especially beloved above all other people. Yet, for a couple thousand years, if he existed he sat on his hands and watched the Jews suffer all manner of pogroms and persecution, almost to the point of extermination. I'd say he broke all his promises, or he is a figment of the imagination. I vote for the latter. The other choice would be to believe in a malevolent deity. I'd rather that there was no one in control than that there was a malign being in control.
Actually, the Catholic Bible teaches the Jews broke their covenant with God.

God is good, we human beings aren't always so good.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#500 Sep 19, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
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You are assuming God is required to answer prayers the way we think he should.
Well, the bible says he did promise exactly that, many times.

In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

Matthew 21:21:

I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain,'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.

Mark 11:24:

Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

John 14: 12-14

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it.

Matthew 18:19:
Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

There's too many of these quotes to all be the product of misunderstanding or mistranslation. All the evangelists except Luke agree that Jesus promised that whatever you pray for, you will get.

Clearly, the promise was made - prayers will be answered and the requests granted. No 'if','and' or 'but', except for the condition that you have to have faith 'even as a mustard seed', i.e. a very small amount of faith. No fine print or disclaimer. No announcer speaking really low and fast with all the conditions on the offer, like car dealer commercials on TV.

So, if there is a god, and Jesus spoke on his behalf, and Jesus, by his words made solemn commitments binding on god, then if follows necessarily that a promise was made to answer all prayers by giving that which was prayed for. The post you wrote clearly admits that people do not get that which they pray for. So, either the bible is wrong, and there is no god, or you believe in and worship a god who deceived you by making false promises.

Indeed, your position that god will do whatever he wants or thinks is best for you, regardless of your prayer, leads inexorably to the conclusion that prayer if futile. If god already wanted a certain outcome, that would be the outcome whether you prayed or not. If prayer does not alter the outcome, what is the point of praying?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#501 Sep 19, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>
You missed the point.
Let me rephrase it.
Your logic would indicate that if you do something good it proves God exists and that if you do something evil it proves that God does not exist. God's existence does not depend upon human beings or other mortal creatures.
Nope. You are silly. And?

You miss the entire point.

Was Katrina evil? Or did the superstorm Katrina **cause** evil?

Answer: it **caused** it.

Did your god stop this evil? No.

So the **evil** was WITH YOUR GOD'S BLESSING.

Ergo?

Your god is evil.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#502 Sep 19, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
What makes you think God ignored it? The Nazis were defeated you know.
4 million Jews too late....

... you know.

And I have **no** doubt that at least 90% of these Jews, begged your god to end this evil at least **once**.

But.

Your god said: NO!

Therefore?

Hitler's evil was ACCORDING TO YOUR GOD'S WILL.

There is no getting around that one.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#503 Sep 19, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>
God isn't required to prevent evil. We have free will, and use it or misuse it at our own peril.
False. Your god IS required-- IF HE INTERFERES AT ALL?

He has a DUTY to prevent evil.

Or else?

If he COULD? And does NOT?

HE IS SAYING HE APPROVES OF THE EVIL-- AND IS COMPLACENT IN IT.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#504 Sep 19, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, the Catholic Bible teaches the Jews broke their covenant with God.
God is good, we human beings aren't always so good.
Lie.

Your god is EVIL-- for A FAILURE TO PREVENT GREAT EVIL.

That is not good-- that is EVIL.

Since: Nov 12

Arcata, CA

#505 Sep 19, 2013
Remember that I predicted our atheists cannot stop posting because this an ego trip for them to try to bash theists, Christian theists almost exclusively btw, because atheists are envious of theists who have something they don't have. Spiritual consciousness, the ability to actually be able to use the right-brain hemisphere's wisdom along with left-brain reasoning to create holistic consciousness instead of being perpetually locked into the lesser single-brain hemisphere's domination of atheist consciousness which makes them appear as half-wits when they try to tell holistic thinkers holistic bicameral thinking is inferior to single-brain hemisphere dominated thinking. And as usual, the telling sign of of atheist ego tripping instead of rational debate happening here, is continual baiting of theists without ever learning a blessed thing new which is why we have virtual non-stop reruns of atheist slogan thinking. It's all they got to offer: crummy reasoning of atheist soundbite thinking can only produce the easy mental cut-and-past responses from posting them a jillion times on these Christian religious forums as if the majority of atheists are lapsed or reformed drunk syndrome anti-Christian former Christians.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#506 Sep 19, 2013
biomystic wrote:
Remember that I predicted our atheists cannot stop posting because this an ego trip for them to try to bash theists, Christian theists almost exclusively btw, because atheists are envious of theists who have something they don't have. Spiritual consciousness, the ability to actually be able to use the right-brain hemisphere's wisdom along with left-brain reasoning to create holistic consciousness instead of being perpetually locked into the lesser single-brain hemisphere's domination of atheist consciousness which makes them appear as half-wits when they try to tell holistic thinkers holistic bicameral thinking is inferior to single-brain hemisphere dominated thinking. And as usual, the telling sign of of atheist ego tripping instead of rational debate happening here, is continual baiting of theists without ever learning a blessed thing new which is why we have virtual non-stop reruns of atheist slogan thinking. It's all they got to offer: crummy reasoning of atheist soundbite thinking can only produce the easy mental cut-and-past responses from posting them a jillion times on these Christian religious forums as if the majority of atheists are lapsed or reformed drunk syndrome anti-Christian former Christians.
Wall-o-words, utterly devoid of any value.

What else can we expect from a True Believerô?

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#507 Sep 19, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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It **IS** your god's fault for FAILING TO ANSWER THE PLEAS OF THE JEWS.
As an example of the VERY LEAST he could do.
So no.
Your god?
Is either incredibly INEPT?
Or else simply isn't there at all.
It is all their own fault. If even one of them had prayed according to the buybull,(in his name)as directed, history would have had a whole nother outcome recorded.

Proof?

Jesus didn't and can't lie.

Had even one of them followed the buybull's dictates, Jewsus would have answered the prayers.

And he didn't, so they didn't. If they believed in their god, they would follow the buybull, and could immediately prove their god real, with one simple prayer.

We are not the only non-beleivers, they are too. They have to take our word for it, but they can just go us one better, and prove they don't beleive.

And all they have to do is not pray.

(snerk)

Since: Nov 12

Arcata, CA

#508 Sep 19, 2013
I dunno, Bob of so little faith, perhaps truth? Logic? Something you atheists need a great deal of? Like thinking, truly believing, that creating a strawman, "true believer", whatever slanderous definition of "true" and "believer" you have pictured in your mind probably based on other atheist strawman stereotypes instead of learned research into the great varieties within the Christian fold, one the most diverse group of believers in God or any philosophy for that matter, atheists, always coming in the low percentages because of not sharing spiritual experience most people have. And why is that? Because most people, throughout history, have had spiritual experiences that they recognize as such. Their whole brains have been engaged whereas you atheists, are stuck, literally stuck, like in can't access through the corpus collossum, the right-brain hemisphere's ability to record and process non-linear holistic consciousness. You can't mentally see spiritual things and like foolish color blind men,(you are mostly men, you know--trotting out your male egos in daily bull shi...fights) thinking the world is black and white and grey, calling those who can see the full color segment of the photon spectrum, "crazy", well, Jesus, what would you think of such idiots parading their disabilities in public? Go learn that spiritual experiences happen to people. You can't intellectualize them away. When you yourselves have had experience in spiritual phenomena, have had spiritual experiences, THEN, and ONLY then, come back and talk about your atheist ideas. Until you've had experiential experience in the subject matter you have such to say, each and every day, don't bother us. Take a day off and go talk with your friends about their synchronicity experiences. Oh, that's right. Your friends don't have any synchronicity experiences..

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#509 Sep 19, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
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The problem with your theory is that when I am good it proves God exists and when I'm bad it proves God does not exist. Fortunately,
God's existence does not depend upon the behavior of mere mortals.
Hitler chose to commit evil. That is not God's fault. That is Hitler's fault.
Don't you Christians claim that God is all powerful and knowing? If so, than why did he not use his magical powers to stop Hitler?

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#510 Sep 19, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow... your ego is utterly without equal.
Do **you** control a whole COUNTRY, now?
No?
Then what **you** do has no effect on the global stage.
Sheesh but you don't understand basic reasoning or logic.
Hitler? He **was** a world leader-- he **did** accomplish great evil.
And your god?
IGNORED THE WHOLE THING LIKE THE WEENIE HE IS.
Perhaps your god was on the toilet the whole time?
Maybe out taking a nap?
Sad for you: your god just keeps on FAILING to prevent GREAT evil.
Time and TIME and time and time again.
They praise god when things go good, but dissociate any responsibility for God, when things go bad.

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#511 Sep 19, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>
You are assuming God is required to answer prayers the way we think he should.
I don't know you or Bob personally. However both of you were being tortured, I would do my best to help the two of you and any human being in that fate.
What use is there for a "loving" god when he does nothing to protect us.

Since: Nov 12

Arcata, CA

#512 Sep 19, 2013
What if a Loving God is an Ideal, an Image of Something we become because we've been guided to becoming It through embedded coding that transmits the Ideal through time and generations? In short, what if God is evolving through us? And at this stage in God's evolution, God is weak? I.e. we can't help so many situations as God's material manifestation because our stage of knowledge and ability to manipulate it is very limited. But I ask you to look at the rate of progress in the last 200 years and challenge you to tell me I'm wrong with proof why when I say to you, at that current rate of human gain in knowledge and power to control events continues, can you logically say all the powers we ascribe to God will not be our own one day? We are Holy One. One day you'll see..

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