Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Relig...

Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Religious Movement",...

There are 1726 comments on the Gateway Pundit story from Aug 28, 2013, titled Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Religious Movement",.... In it, Gateway Pundit reports that:

Is the DOJ collectively inhaling something toxic? The U.S. Justice Department has just identified atheism as a "religious movement" .

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CatholicPatriot

Port Richey, FL

#453 Sep 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
So what?
**YOU** are a proven **liar**.
Your word cannot be trusted.
You've never proven anything **nitwit**.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#454 Sep 18, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>
You've never proven anything **nitwit**.
You have to be careful dishing out those insults. Calling someone a nitwit or fool sends you to hell, according to your myths. Matthew 5:22.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#455 Sep 18, 2013
CatholicPatriot, you are missing the bigger picture here. The fact is Hitler started a war which killed 50 to 70 million people. Where was your all-loving God in all this? Doing nothing! Cause he does not exist. Whether Hitler was a Christian or not, "God" did nothing to save his chosen people, and did nothing to stop the death and suffering of tens of millions of people. That is certain proof that an all loving sky deity does not exist.
CatholicPatriot

Port Richey, FL

#456 Sep 18, 2013
spudgun wrote:
<quoted text>
You have to be careful dishing out those insults. Calling someone a nitwit or fool sends you to hell, according to your myths. Matthew 5:22.
You are misinterpreting things. I am not obligated to accept being called a **liar** by a **nitwit**.

He doesn't debate; he just insults.
CatholicPatriot

Port Richey, FL

#457 Sep 18, 2013
spudgun wrote:
CatholicPatriot, you are missing the bigger picture here. The fact is Hitler started a war which killed 50 to 70 million people. Where was your all-loving God in all this? Doing nothing! Cause he does not exist. Whether Hitler was a Christian or not, "God" did nothing to save his chosen people, and did nothing to stop the death and suffering of tens of millions of people. That is certain proof that an all loving sky deity does not exist.
It is not proof at all. Remember, humans are ignoring the warnings of the Church and acting immorally of their own accord.

Whether it was Hitler committing a sin, a Priest committing a sin, me committing a sin, or you committing a sin; that does not prove God does not exist; it merely proves that we are all sinners in need of redemption which is the Church's message to the world.
CatholicPatriot

Port Richey, FL

#458 Sep 18, 2013
Radio Caller: "Does the Catholic Church recognize the countries Italy, Russia, and Germany to be
'Totalitarian States'"?

Priest's Reply: "She does, and she repudiates their
totalitarian principles. All three countries demand State Absolutism, Russia on a communistic basis, Italy and Germany on the basis of a fascist dictatorship. Italy, however, professes to exclude State authority in religious matters, though its tendency is ever to trespass on the religious field and conflict with the rights of the Church. Hitler, in Germany, would like to suppress the rights of the church altogether, and repeatedly violates the guarantees he gave in his
Concordant with the Vatican."

Note 1: The book was published in 1937 in Australia
and in 1938 in the United States so it is prior to WWII.

Note 2: The Priest errs in calling it Hitler's
Concordant with the Vatican. Hitler didn't have that much
power yet. It was Von Hindenburg's and Von Papen's
Concordant with the Vatican and probably served two
purposes in their mind. As a future check upon Hitler and
as a means of appeasing the Vatican.

Note 3: The question was asked before the release of Pope Pius XI's "Mit Brennender Sorge".

Note 4: Timeline for the questions in the book regarding Nazism is between 1933 and 1936.
CatholicPatriot

Port Richey, FL

#459 Sep 18, 2013
Next question
Radio Caller: "Is the Catholic Church opposed to the "Totalitarian State" merely because that system seeks to subjugate the individual to the State, to the detriment of the individual"?

Priest's Reply: "Not merely because of that, although that is one good and sound reason for the opposition of the Catholic Church to 'State Absolutism'". The 'Totalitarian State' is
also an invasion of domestic rights, and most dangerous to the freedom and independence of religion. Moreover, it is essentially
wrong in itself. It supposes unlimited power vested in a dictator, or a ruling group, not constrained by law, and basing its power
on force and violence. This means in practice, the servile State, with a tyranny established which was unknown even in Ancient Sparta. The Catholic Church insists that justice will never be
done unless government is truly representative in which the people's affairs are managed by men chosen by the people, and answerable to the people for their policy. On February 11th, 1929,
the Lateran Concordant between Italy and the Vatican was signed. On May 13th, 1929, Mussolini declared that the education of the youth belonged to the State; and that, while they would be taught
the Catholic religion, they must be molded according to Fascist ideals with a sense of virility and power of conquest. Next day,
May 14th, 1929, the Pope denounced Mussolini's doctrine of State Absolutism, his principles that children belong to the State, and denied the right to instill aggressive Nationalism and ideas
of conquest. And he reminded Mussolini that the powers of the State are conferred upon it by those it governs.'Hence,' he said 'the State must use its powers on behalf of those who conferred them.'
These words of the Pope show the wide gap between the democratic social principles of the Catholic Church, and the anti-Democratic ideas of Fascism."
Amused

Lowell, MA

#460 Sep 18, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>
I excelled in mathematics and statistics. What makes you think the draft was ever fair? What makes you think the people who controlled the government were interested in it being fair?
I bet you believe that "random drug testing" in the military is truly random, too, right?
To produce the results you are claiming, the draft would have to have been fixed more blatantly than pro wrestling. The lack of significant contemporary editorials, protests etc. decrying such blatant rigging of the draft suggests that it was not perceived as such by many who literally had a life and death interest in the fairness of the conscription system.

We can certainly see why a 'catholic patriot' is so quick to see conspiracies. The catholic church and its leaders have, for decades, conspired to sweep massive pedophilia scandals under the rug. The fact that you support such a conspiracy does not mean that everyone else is part of some conspiracy also.
CatholicPatriot

Port Richey, FL

#461 Sep 18, 2013
Radio Caller: "In light of these questions I am interested in the status of Catholics in Germany under the present National Socialist
Regime".

Priest's Reply: "It is a very unhappy one."

Radio Caller: "Friends returned from Germany say that practically the whole nation, including the Catholic section, is wholeheartedly behind
Hitler's regime."

Priest's Reply: "That is the only impression which the ruling tyranny allows to be published in German papers. But it is not true."

Radio Caller: "It is intelligible that all would support an unselfish effort to rebuild the nation after the hopeless post-war years."

Priest's Reply: "That is true. But Catholics cannot wholeheartedly support the methods adopted. The 'Totalitarian State,' whether on communist or on Fascist lines, is opposed to Catholic principles.

Radio Caller: "I admit that the Church has had setbacks at the hands of the Nazi party, but not severe ones, and only in certain provinces.

Priest's Reply: "The attacks on the Church, and on Catholics generally, have been most severe, and throughout Germany.'

Radio Caller: "I fail to see, therefore, how the present system of government in Germany can be detrimental to a Catholic either as a member
of the Church or as a son of the Fatherland."

Priest's Reply: "The essential tendency of the present regime in Germany (Nazis), if it can accomplish it, is to rob a Catholic of his Faith,
and turn him from a son of the Fatherland into a slave of a Fascist
dictatorship.
CatholicPatriot

Port Richey, FL

#462 Sep 18, 2013
Remember even the American newspapers accused the Church of intolerance for condemning the "Totalitarian States," communism, Fascism,
and Nazism.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#463 Sep 18, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
Radio Caller: "In light of these questions I am interested in the status of Catholics in Germany under the present National Socialist
Regime".
Priest's Reply: "It is a very unhappy one."
Radio Caller: "Friends returned from Germany say that practically the whole nation, including the Catholic section, is wholeheartedly behind
Hitler's regime."
Priest's Reply: "That is the only impression which the ruling tyranny allows to be published in German papers. But it is not true."
Radio Caller: "It is intelligible that all would support an unselfish effort to rebuild the nation after the hopeless post-war years."
Priest's Reply: "That is true. But Catholics cannot wholeheartedly support the methods adopted. The 'Totalitarian State,' whether on communist or on Fascist lines, is opposed to Catholic principles.
Radio Caller: "I admit that the Church has had setbacks at the hands of the Nazi party, but not severe ones, and only in certain provinces.
Priest's Reply: "The attacks on the Church, and on Catholics generally, have been most severe, and throughout Germany.'
Radio Caller: "I fail to see, therefore, how the present system of government in Germany can be detrimental to a Catholic either as a member
of the Church or as a son of the Fatherland."
Priest's Reply: "The essential tendency of the present regime in Germany (Nazis), if it can accomplish it, is to rob a Catholic of his Faith,
and turn him from a son of the Fatherland into a slave of a Fascist
dictatorship.
Cowardly religious liar who won't take responsibility for his cults crimes.

You need to start by proving your god first, THEN sharing your ignorant opinions.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#464 Sep 18, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
Next question
Radio Caller: "Is the Catholic Church opposed to the "Totalitarian State" merely because that system seeks to subjugate the individual to the State, to the detriment of the individual"?
Priest's Reply: "Not merely because of that, although that is one good and sound reason for the opposition of the Catholic Church to 'State Absolutism'". The 'Totalitarian State' is
also an invasion of domestic rights, and most dangerous to the freedom and independence of religion. Moreover, it is essentially
wrong in itself. It supposes unlimited power vested in a dictator, or a ruling group, not constrained by law, and basing its power
on force and violence. This means in practice, the servile State, with a tyranny established which was unknown even in Ancient Sparta. The Catholic Church insists that justice will never be
done unless government is truly representative in which the people's affairs are managed by men chosen by the people, and answerable to the people for their policy. On February 11th, 1929,
the Lateran Concordant between Italy and the Vatican was signed. On May 13th, 1929, Mussolini declared that the education of the youth belonged to the State; and that, while they would be taught
the Catholic religion, they must be molded according to Fascist ideals with a sense of virility and power of conquest. Next day,
May 14th, 1929, the Pope denounced Mussolini's doctrine of State Absolutism, his principles that children belong to the State, and denied the right to instill aggressive Nationalism and ideas
of conquest. And he reminded Mussolini that the powers of the State are conferred upon it by those it governs.'Hence,' he said 'the State must use its powers on behalf of those who conferred them.'
These words of the Pope show the wide gap between the democratic social principles of the Catholic Church, and the anti-Democratic ideas of Fascism."
You and your cult suffer form a mental illness that prevents you from accepting criticism.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#465 Sep 18, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>
You are misinterpreting things. I am not obligated to accept being called a **liar** by a **nitwit**.
He doesn't debate; he just insults.
When you can prove e god you're here to lie to us about, you will stop being a liar.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#466 Sep 18, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not proof at all. Remember, humans are ignoring the warnings of the Church and acting immorally of their own accord.
Again you miss the point. God does not exist.

If a God or gods were to exist and they were interested in human affairs, they would do something to stop wars, and all the human and animnal suffering witnessed everyday.

We know how brainwashing works here. Note most here used to be Christians of the cradle to grave sort, so understand your situation very well.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#467 Sep 18, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>

Also note on another thread there's a guy called Muq, from Saudi Arabia, a devout Muslim, who is convinced his religion is correct in every detail. Proof that religion is cultural determined, an accident of geography - nothing more.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#468 Sep 18, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
...These words of the Pope show the wide gap between the democratic social principles of the Catholic Church, and the anti-Democratic ideas of Fascism."
'Democratic principles of the RC Church? Don't make me laugh. It's one of the most chaotic and authoritarian structures since Nazism.

And RC Church members who cooperated with the Nazis aren't hard to find.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Orsenigo#...

Hitler himself had described himself as Christian when it suited him.
From:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm
"Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country..."

The RC Church accepted the controversial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat
arguing that it "prevented even greater evils against the (RC) Church". RC's were not notably more opposed to Hitler than people of any other religion or none. The RC Church offered little opposition to Hitler or Nazism that harmed their interests too much.

The point is that it would be patently absurd to argue that being RC helped oppose Nazism. Joining a political opposition was what counted and there were plenty of RCs who failed to do that. And there's nothing in all that to make RC relevant or worth advocating today. At best, R Catholicism was irrelevant to the rise or fall of Nazism.

Today as then, it is daft superstition,(e.g transubstantiation and a 'Chief Exorcist') and still manages to do more harm than good,(child abuse, damaging Aids/Condom and anti-gay 'guidance' or 'teaching').

Religion = superstition. It's divisive and outdated.

While someone can no doubt feel patriotic and RC, being superstitious and part of a religious sect (or Church if you prefer) is no advantage to a modern country.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#469 Sep 18, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it was and it was even quoted in debate in the Senate or the House. I can't remember which one though although it may be both. The actual number was 68 percent Catholic. Congressional stats tend to be biased against the Church so my guess would be it was closer to 75 percent. Discrimination was the norm in the draft process.
You have no link to actual FACTS? Then, you are lying.

It is a safe assumption, as you have lied pretty much constantly up to now.
CatholicPatriot wrote:
If you believe it was truly random you are nuts. However, Catholics
were more likely to volunteer as well.
Really? Against the teaching of Jesus?

How Jesus of them-- to go against what he actually taught.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#470 Sep 18, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>
I excelled in mathematics and statistics.
And why would we believe **this** lie? Hmmm?
CatholicPatriot wrote:
What makes you think the draft was ever fair? What makes you think the people who controlled the government were interested in it being fair?
Or **this** lie? Hmmm?
CatholicPatriot wrote:
I bet you believe that "random drug testing" in the military is truly random, too, right?
Or **this** one?

How very Jesus of you to lie like this.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#471 Sep 18, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>
You've never proven anything **nitwit**.
Calling me names, now?

How very Jesus of you.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#472 Sep 18, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
<quoted text>
You are misinterpreting things. I am not obligated to accept being called a **liar** by a **nitwit**.
He doesn't debate; he just insults.
How very Jesus of you.

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