Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Religious Movement",...

There are 20 comments on the Aug 28, 2013, Gateway Pundit story titled Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Religious Movement",.... In it, Gateway Pundit reports that:

Is the DOJ collectively inhaling something toxic? The U.S. Justice Department has just identified atheism as a "religious movement" .

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#433 Sep 17, 2013
Amused wrote:
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Seems to be a common thing with theists. Yahoo adam thinks he can fool god by spelling it g-d so he believes in a god smart enough to create the universe, but not bright enough to win on Wheel of Fortune.
Indeed!

The god that these people have fabricated, is **considerably** more dimwitted than they are.

And when you realize how low the starting point is?

Well, let's just say in a contest of wits, their god is fully unarmed.

:)

No wonder they see their anti-god as winning most of the time.

<laughing>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#434 Sep 17, 2013
Amused wrote:
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Seems mathematically impossible. 66% of the US armed forces during WWII were conscripted. It seems reasonable to assume that the draft would produce a military force reflective of the overall demographics of the general population. It seems quite unreasonable to postulate that a lottery system would select a highly disproportionate number of men from a given minority. I call bullsh*t. Cite a source, or admit that you just made up a phony stat.
Likely he got his "information" from the well-known liar, The Cat'Lick League-- a "group" consisting of a single catholic bigot who's most common strategy is pulling "facts" out of his ***.

Amusing.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#435 Sep 17, 2013
Amused wrote:
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And Bishop Alois Hudal? Remember him? Principal architect of the 'ratline' that assisted Nazis to escape justice after WWII. He facilitated the escapes of Josef Mengele, Franz Stangl, commandant of Treblinka, Eduard Roschmann, the commandant of the Riga Ghetto, Gustav Wagner, commandant of Sobibor, Alois Brunner, who headed the deportation of Jews from France and Slovakia to the concentration camps and Adolph Eichman, one of the principal architects of the final solution. Do yo really think that Bishop Hudal could organize all those escapes without any of his superiors knowing what he was up to?
Indeed-- and he could never have even set it up, without deep ties and involvement in the Nazi government in the first place.
CatholicPatriot

Hudson, FL

#436 Sep 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Your source for this bullshit? Nothing?
Interesting. I was not aware the Armed Forces published religious affiliation of it's membership-- rather a violation of privacy.
Congressional Record.
CatholicPatriot

Hudson, FL

#437 Sep 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Proof? No?
Then you are lying-- unless this happened **after** WW2, then possibly you are simply lying by omission.
Proof of Nazi-Cat'Lick tie-in is here:
" http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm" ;
Photographic **proof** that His Pope-Ums was blessing Hitler.
1930-1932 time frame. In the United States, Canada, England, and Australia protestants and atheists accused the Vatican of intolerance in the newspapers and on radio talk shows for prohibiting membership in the Nazi party. It was reported by the AP.

Catholic newspapers
CatholicPatriot

Hudson, FL

#438 Sep 17, 2013
Catholic newspapers defended the Vatican.
CatholicPatriot

Hudson, FL

#439 Sep 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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So?
The Cat'Lick church was **silent** during WW2 about the atrocities the Germans were committing against the jews.
Likely because of their policy of "christ killers"-- a standard Cat'Lick dogma for centuries.
A dogma that was only removed from a post-holocaust world, due to a recognition such dogma would take down the Cat'Lick power base.
The monsters in charge of the vatican are not **stupid**.
Just brutally dishonest.
The 1933 article I showed you indicates the church was not silent. Neither Pope Pius XI nor Pope Pius XII were silent. The reality is that there was nothing Pius XII could do about it.

Hitler was made Chancellor by President Paul Von Hindenburg with the consent of the protestants, but note how Hitler and Von Hindenburg only received 17 million votes, while 22 million votes were cast in opposition. The majority didn't prevail.
CatholicPatriot

Hudson, FL

#440 Sep 17, 2013
Amused wrote:
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Seems mathematically impossible. 66% of the US armed forces during WWII were conscripted. It seems reasonable to assume that the draft would produce a military force reflective of the overall demographics of the general population. It seems quite unreasonable to postulate that a lottery system would select a highly disproportionate number of men from a given minority. I call bullsh*t. Cite a source, or admit that you just made up a phony stat.
The draft was never fair. In fact, the first group opposing the Vietnam war was a Catholic veterans group and it pointed out the draft system was not fair.

Likewise, we know an unusually high number of Irish Catholics and German Catholics were conscripted to fight in the Civil War.

Discrimination in the draft was not unusual.
CatholicPatriot

Hudson, FL

#441 Sep 17, 2013
Regarding the Concordant, try to remember I have a copy of it.

It was not negotiated between Hitler and the Vatican. It was negotiated even before Paul Von Hindenburg became President.

Bismarck wanted to sign it but knew he would be committing political suicide if he did.

However, it had been negotiated even before Bismarck's time.

Hitler, Von Hindenburg, and Von Papen (The Vice Chancellor; Von Hindenburg wouldn't allow Hitler to be Chancellor without Hitler's consent to make Von Papen Vice Chancellor) sent someone else to sign it fearing their signature would be used against them in any elections.

Remember, the majority in Germany was Protestant not Catholic.

Christmas and Easter were celebrated in the concentration camps by the Catholic and protestant prisoners in the concentration camps.

Since the majority of German soldiers were not members of the Nazi party and since the majority of German citizens were not members of the Nazi party, Hitler-a politician, had to engage in political activities to retain support.

Hitler's visitation of war memorials is not surprising since he served in the trenches as a soldier of Germany during the first world war. He survived a gas attack and probably suffered from shell shock which is what they called PTSD back then.

The important thing is that in 1933 when the Concordant was signed, Hitler was not in control of the government. In fact, he was still determining who he was going to appoint to various positions and he needed Paul Von Hindenburg's and Von Papen's consent for his appointments.

Hitler isn't really in control until Von Hindeburg falls ill in 1936, and Hitler takes advantage of that opportunity to arrest Von Papen and Von Schleicher. He executes Von Schleicher and is preparing to execute Von Papen when Von Hindenburg recovered and Von Hindenburg begged Hitler to spare Von Papen's life. Hitler agreed but kept Von Papen under house arrest at that time.
CatholicPatriot

Hudson, FL

#442 Sep 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Likely he got his "information" from the well-known liar, The Cat'Lick League-- a "group" consisting of a single catholic bigot who's most common strategy is pulling "facts" out of his ***.
Amusing.
You will find the information reported by the AP. Do you even know what AP means? Associated Press. Go read the microfilms of newspapers at the time and quit pretending you know anything.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#443 Sep 17, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
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Congressional Record.
Nope. You are lying. That information was not published.

Why do you lie in such easy to prove ways?

Oh! Godbot... I nearly forgot: lying is your mantra.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#444 Sep 17, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
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1930-1932 time frame. In the United States, Canada, England, and Australia protestants and atheists accused the Vatican of intolerance in the newspapers and on radio talk shows for prohibiting membership in the Nazi party. It was reported by the AP.
Catholic newspapers
Cat'Lick newspapers... who have an **agenda** to try to **whitewash** the Cat'Lick atrocity.

Riiiiight.....

... that is **exactly** like asking Big Oil if their products pollute or not ...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#445 Sep 17, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
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The 1933 article I showed you indicates the church was not silent. Neither Pope Pius XI nor Pope Pius XII were silent. The reality is that there was nothing Pius XII could do about it.
Hitler was made Chancellor by President Paul Von Hindenburg with the consent of the protestants, but note how Hitler and Von Hindenburg only received 17 million votes, while 22 million votes were cast in opposition. The majority didn't prevail.
A Cat'Lick "news"paper.

Right.

As if that could be trusted to **not** whitewash the evil that is the Cat'Lick church.

Sure, bub.. sure.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#446 Sep 17, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
Regarding the Concordant, try to remember I have a copy of it.
So what?

**YOU** are a proven **liar**.

Your word cannot be trusted.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#447 Sep 17, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
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You will find the information reported by the AP. Do you even know what AP means? Associated Press. Go read the microfilms of newspapers at the time and quit pretending you know anything.
I have read newspapers of the time-- that is where I got my information.

Cat'Lick sympathizer papers whitewashed the whole ugly thing.

This is hardly surprising.

I also allowed as how the Cat'Lick church was somewhat divided on the whole "jews killed christ" dogma-- but there was a strong faction within it's hierarchy which taught that.

Since it taught it publicly? Clearly the **pope** blessed that activity.

Thus, he was complicit in the teaching of that ugly theology.

From that ugly theology: "jews killed christ" we learn where Hitler got some of his ideas from.

Your ugly church has **much** to answer for.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#448 Sep 18, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
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You will find the information reported by the AP. Do you even know what AP means? Associated Press. Go read the microfilms of newspapers at the time and quit pretending you know anything.
you need to prove your god instead of apologise for your cult
CatholicPatriot

Hudson, FL

#449 Sep 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Nope. You are lying. That information was not published.
Why do you lie in such easy to prove ways?
Oh! Godbot... I nearly forgot: lying is your mantra.
Actually, it was and it was even quoted in debate in the Senate or the House. I can't remember which one though although it may be both. The actual number was 68 percent Catholic. Congressional stats tend to be biased against the Church so my guess would be it was closer to 75 percent. Discrimination was the norm in the draft process.

If you believe it was truly random you are nuts. However, Catholics
were more likely to volunteer as well.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#450 Sep 18, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
Catholic newspapers defended the Vatican.
Catholic newspapers are controlled by the Vatican. They are generally published by an archdiocese, under the editorial control of the local archbishop. I doubt that the archbishop spends much time on the content of the paper, but that's not really necessary.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#451 Sep 18, 2013
CatholicPatriot wrote:
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The draft was never fair. In fact, the first group opposing the Vietnam war was a Catholic veterans group and it pointed out the draft system was not fair.
Likewise, we know an unusually high number of Irish Catholics and German Catholics were conscripted to fight in the Civil War.
Discrimination in the draft was not unusual.
Math wasn't your best class in school, was it? In order for enough of the draftees to be drawn from 22% of the overall pool to make them 70% of the military, they would have to draft an overwhelming number of catholics while disqualifying an amazing number of non-catholics.

Given that the draft age was raised to over 40 because of insufficient numbers of younger men available to be drafted, it is clear that almost all younger men were taken, unless they had some physical condition or were conscientious objectors or felons. Conscientious objector status was granted very sparingly, and unlikely to have a significant statistical effect on the overall percentage of catholics vs. non-catholics. Physical disabilities are generally distributed throughout the populations without regard to religious affiliation. It is unlikely that significantly more non-catholics were physically or mentally unqualified for service than catholics, percentage wise.

Felony convictions likewise can be assumed to be distributed evenly among both groups. This may be a more generous assumption in your favor. Irish and Italian immigrants, significant parts of the catholic population, were recent immigrants. They tended to be urban dwellers, where crime is higher. They tended to be poor, another high risk factor for arrest. And, they were members of a minority group. Years ago, at one of the older Massachusetts district courts, they used to have all the old docket books in bookcases lining the walls of the courtroom. While waiting for my cases to be called, I sometimes browsed through the docket books to kill time. You could always tell the most recent immigrant group in a given era by the names of the defendants arrested. As the books got more recent, Irish names gave way to Italian names, then Greek names, then Portuguese names, finally Hispanic names.

In any event, even if the draft was more blatantly fixed than the 1919 World Series, it still would not produce the results you claim.
CatholicPatriot

Hudson, FL

#452 Sep 18, 2013
Amused wrote:
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Math wasn't your best class in school, was it? In order for enough of the draftees to be drawn from 22% of the overall pool to make them 70% of the military, they would have to draft an overwhelming number of catholics while disqualifying an amazing number of non-catholics.
Given that the draft age was raised to over 40 because of insufficient numbers of younger men available to be drafted, it is clear that almost all younger men were taken, unless they had some physical condition or were conscientious objectors or felons. Conscientious objector status was granted very sparingly, and unlikely to have a significant statistical effect on the overall percentage of catholics vs. non-catholics. Physical disabilities are generally distributed throughout the populations without regard to religious affiliation. It is unlikely that significantly more non-catholics were physically or mentally unqualified for service than catholics, percentage wise.
Felony convictions likewise can be assumed to be distributed evenly among both groups. This may be a more generous assumption in your favor. Irish and Italian immigrants, significant parts of the catholic population, were recent immigrants. They tended to be urban dwellers, where crime is higher. They tended to be poor, another high risk factor for arrest. And, they were members of a minority group. Years ago, at one of the older Massachusetts district courts, they used to have all the old docket books in bookcases lining the walls of the courtroom. While waiting for my cases to be called, I sometimes browsed through the docket books to kill time. You could always tell the most recent immigrant group in a given era by the names of the defendants arrested. As the books got more recent, Irish names gave way to Italian names, then Greek names, then Portuguese names, finally Hispanic names.
In any event, even if the draft was more blatantly fixed than the 1919 World Series, it still would not produce the results you claim.
I excelled in mathematics and statistics. What makes you think the draft was ever fair? What makes you think the people who controlled the government were interested in it being fair?

I bet you believe that "random drug testing" in the military is truly random, too, right?

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