Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Relig...

Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Religious Movement",...

There are 1726 comments on the Gateway Pundit story from Aug 28, 2013, titled Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Religious Movement",.... In it, Gateway Pundit reports that:

Is the DOJ collectively inhaling something toxic? The U.S. Justice Department has just identified atheism as a "religious movement" .

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Amused

Lowell, MA

#21 Aug 29, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
The dogma of atheism is tyrannical and unjust in all of its social ramifications. People embrace this religion because they attempt to rationalize their perversions and lack of a definable moral basis. It is their immorality, which guides their immersion in a world view justifying their immorality. It is atheism, which tells them they are animal and unworthy of redemption... in fact, atheism would prefer to get rid of the word redemption, along with about 1/3 of the words in any given human language. For instance, mention "sacred" to one of them and watch them lose composure.
How can non-belief have dogma? Dogma is a belief held to be a central point of a belief system. Atheism consists of nothing more than a disbelief in a supreme being. Does non-belief in Santa also generate dogma?

I don't feel that I am "unworthy of redemption". You are the one who feels 'unworthy', as religion has taught you that you are tainted with 'sin' and need to be redeemed. I do find the word redemption quite useful, though. It is what I do with empty soda cans. In fact, I've never heard any atheist advocating getting rid of any words, although getting religious sentiments off the currency would be more inclusive. I doubt you've ever heard anyone advocate getting rid of words, either. I guess once you've gone for the big lie about there being an invisible guy in the sky, little lies like that just don't bother you so much anymore.
cjrian

Englewood, CO

#22 Aug 29, 2013
Lamer wrote:
It is clear you are pretty looney. Afganistan has a religion and tens of 1000s killed there. Same with Iraq but the body count there is 100s of 1000s. Somilia has a huge body count as well, and guess what they have....religion.
Do you care to point out where these "religion free zones" are, i know many atheist whom would be intereted in knowing their locations.
The USSR - 40 million dead
Red China - 60 - 85 million dead
Cambodia - 1/3 of the population dead
Nazi Germany - 13 million dead in the Holocaust, 40 million war dead

ALL are/were atheistic
ALL engaged in the wholesale slaughter of tens of millions

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#23 Aug 29, 2013
coyote wrote:
AND, it is made even clearer by the discussion above that Atheism IS a religion, with adherents who get very upset with any who question it, just like Liberals do.
Atheism and Liberalism are BOTH religions, belief systems not subject to proof or disproof, only to defense by declaring any who disagree to be EVIL. Unfortunately, while atheism will probably never make it into the public schools, Liberalism dominates there.
If you really want to be non-religious, you need to be an agnostic pragmatist.
Why do fundamental Christians need to lie to defend their beliefs??

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#24 Aug 29, 2013
cjrian wrote:
<quoted text>
The USSR - 40 million dead
Red China - 60 - 85 million dead
Cambodia - 1/3 of the population dead
Nazi Germany - 13 million dead in the Holocaust, 40 million war dead
ALL are/were atheistic
ALL engaged in the wholesale slaughter of tens of millions
No one was killed in the name of atheism.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#25 Aug 29, 2013
cjrian wrote:
<quoted text>
The USSR - 40 million dead
Red China - 60 - 85 million dead
Cambodia - 1/3 of the population dead
Nazi Germany - 13 million dead in the Holocaust, 40 million war dead
ALL are/were atheistic
ALL engaged in the wholesale slaughter of tens of millions
Nazi germany = christian (killed in the name of jesus)
Amused

Lowell, MA

#26 Aug 29, 2013
cjrian wrote:
<quoted text>
The USSR - 40 million dead
Red China - 60 - 85 million dead
Cambodia - 1/3 of the population dead
Nazi Germany - 13 million dead in the Holocaust, 40 million war dead
ALL are/were atheistic
ALL engaged in the wholesale slaughter of tens of millions
“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”

[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

“Any violence which does not spring from a spiritual base, will be
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of
the Almighty Creator.”

[Adolph Hitler,_Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]

“This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the
practical existence of a religious belief.”

[Adolph Hitler,_Mein Kampf_, pp.152]

“Today Christians … stand at the head of [this country]… I pledge
that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy
Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian
spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in
literature, in the theater, and in the press – in short, we want to
burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole
life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past …
(few) years.”

[The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford
University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872]

ALL are/were atheistic? srsly?
LCNlin

United States

#27 Aug 29, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
How can non-belief have dogma? Dogma is a belief held to be a central point of a belief system. Atheism consists of nothing more than a disbelief in a supreme being. Does non-belief in Santa also generate dogma?
I don't feel that I am "unworthy of redemption". You are the one who feels 'unworthy', as religion has taught you that you are tainted with 'sin' and need to be redeemed. I do find the word redemption quite useful, though. It is what I do with empty soda cans. In fact, I've never heard any atheist advocating getting rid of any words, although getting religious sentiments off the currency would be more inclusive. I doubt you've ever heard anyone advocate getting rid of words, either. I guess once you've gone for the big lie about there being an invisible guy in the sky, little lies like that just don't bother you so much anymore.
Amused
LOL

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#28 Aug 29, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”
[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]
“Any violence which does not spring from a spiritual base, will be
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of
the Almighty Creator.”
[Adolph Hitler,_Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]
“This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the
practical existence of a religious belief.”
[Adolph Hitler,_Mein Kampf_, pp.152]
“Today Christians … stand at the head of [this country]… I pledge
that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy
Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian
spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in
literature, in the theater, and in the press – in short, we want to
burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole
life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past …
(few) years.”
[The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford
University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872]
ALL are/were atheistic? srsly?
I know of no record where Adolf Hitler attended a prayer meet, regularly tended church or even lead a prayer before a battle and I have read extensive documentation on the man. Einstein also referred to "God" but never viewed "God" as some sort of defined personality, just an undefined concept.
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Adolf Hitler used God like American Liberal/Progressives use false modesty.
Lamer

Norwalk, OH

#29 Aug 29, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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I know of no record where Adolf Hitler attended a prayer meet, regularly tended church or even lead a prayer before a battle and I have read extensive documentation on the man. Einstein also referred to "God" but never viewed "God" as some sort of defined personality, just an undefined concept.
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Adolf Hitler used God like American Liberal/Progressives use false modesty.
You didnt read enough if you think there isnt religion in those places.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#30 Aug 29, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
<quoted text>
I know of no record where Adolf Hitler attended a prayer meet, regularly tended church or even lead a prayer before a battle and I have read extensive documentation on the man. Einstein also referred to "God" but never viewed "God" as some sort of defined personality, just an undefined concept.
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Adolf Hitler used God like American Liberal/Progressives use false modesty.
Creationist denialism at its finest. he ignores the wall of damning quotes and tries to argue back against hard facts.
Cordwainer Trout

Elizabethtown, KY

#31 Aug 29, 2013
These vicious atheists don't even represent good atheism. Any real history of Germany shows them the atheist, pagan, socialist nature of Naziism. The Church Laws of 1932 clearly established an anti-Christ orientation for the Party and future of the world. Replacing the Christian Cross with the Swastika in churches, imprisoning and killing hundreds of Christians, threatening churches with more repression if they didn't support the Reich, installing the mouthpiece Rosenberg for Hitler to rant against Christianity and proclaim Hitler His superior, etc., etc. The truth of the unmerciful history of atheism in all of its transformations establishes they will lie to gain power over others, which is obvious by their odorous misrepresentation of Naziism here. Like the Nazis, they are anti-scholarship and anti-honesty in about everything they say and do. They really belong in mental hospitals.
Cordwainer Trout

Elizabethtown, KY

#32 Aug 29, 2013
The Church Laws under Nazi Party dominance in Germany are exactly what many of the vocal, argumentative, nasty, abrasive and domineering atheists in America want to do here. Their assertion that their perception of reality is the only perception of reality makes them much worse than any usual representation of Christianity. It shows they are tyrants and vicious creeps at the core of their beings.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#33 Aug 30, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
These vicious atheists don't even represent good atheism. Any real history of Germany shows them the atheist, pagan, socialist nature of Naziism. The Church Laws of 1932 clearly established an anti-Christ orientation for the Party and future of the world. Replacing the Christian Cross with the Swastika in churches, imprisoning and killing hundreds of Christians, threatening churches with more repression if they didn't support the Reich, installing the mouthpiece Rosenberg for Hitler to rant against Christianity and proclaim Hitler His superior, etc., etc. The truth of the unmerciful history of atheism in all of its transformations establishes they will lie to gain power over others, which is obvious by their odorous misrepresentation of Naziism here. Like the Nazis, they are anti-scholarship and anti-honesty in about everything they say and do. They really belong in mental hospitals.
Says the ignorant creationist idiot with no proof of god who can't read quotes that condemn his cult.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#34 Aug 30, 2013
cjrian wrote:
<quoted text>
The USSR - 40 million dead
Red China - 60 - 85 million dead
Cambodia - 1/3 of the population dead
Nazi Germany - 13 million dead in the Holocaust, 40 million war dead
ALL are/were atheistic
ALL engaged in the wholesale slaughter of tens of millions
Yet the fact remains that these regimes were the ones that couldn't use religion to promote their aims. The Russian one for instance was faced with a Church that supported the Tzarist regime, not a very creditable position either. The same could be said for the rest.

The fact religionists wish to obscure is that many people have died and are still dying due to religious motivations. Nobody died due to disbelief in gods or an excess of rationalism. No atheist flew a plane into a building believing that he would be justified or rewarded in an afterlife. And no non-believer riots at all, let alone over cartoons.

Religion = superstition and we have pictures to prove it....
https://www.google.co.uk/search...

https://www.google.co.uk/search...

Religion is generally parent-given, not god-given and it's the last main bastion of superstition.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#35 Aug 30, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
These vicious atheists don't even represent good atheism. Any real history of Germany shows them the atheist, pagan, socialist nature of Naziism. The Church Laws of 1932 clearly established an anti-Christ orientation for the Party and future of the world. Replacing the Christian Cross with the Swastika in churches, imprisoning and killing hundreds of Christians, threatening churches with more repression if they didn't support the Reich, installing the mouthpiece Rosenberg for Hitler to rant against Christianity and proclaim Hitler His superior, etc., etc. The truth of the unmerciful history of atheism in all of its transformations establishes they will lie to gain power over others, which is obvious by their odorous misrepresentation of Naziism here. Like the Nazis, they are anti-scholarship and anti-honesty in about everything they say and do. They really belong in mental hospitals.
So, is that why German troops went into battle wearing belt buckles declaring "Gott Mit Uns"? "God is with us" seems an odd slogan for a supposedly atheist regime to use. On the other hand, it makes perfect sense for a predominantly catholic regime.

If the nazis were so plainly atheists, one would expect the pope to be in the forefront of the critics of their regime. In fact, the nazis and the vatican had a fairly cozy relationship.

Facts are stubborn things. No matter how much you rant about atheists, these facts just don't go away. They just sit there making you look completely deracinated.

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#36 Aug 30, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Creationist denialism at its finest. he ignores the wall of damning quotes and tries to argue back against hard facts.
God is useful in advancing political movements, just as many of these secular types say they love the little people... only to start executing the little people once they get into power.
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Atheism in it's desperate need to show there is no god, sometimes overlooks the obvious. People like Adolph Hitler had no plan to advance any religion outside of the worship of himself and the Nazi Party ideals.

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#37 Aug 30, 2013
EdSed wrote:
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Religion is generally parent-given, not god-given and it's the last main bastion of superstition.
You have never listened to the global warming caused by mankind types.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#38 Aug 30, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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No one was killed in the name of atheism.
Exactly. The regimes cited, excepting Nazi Germany, which was led by avowed Catholic Adolph Hitler, were all communist regimes. The belief systems of communists, while being atheist, were not merely atheist. They espoused particular social/economic beliefs which were held with the same fanaticism as religious beliefs are held by others.

Any belief system which asserts that certain people are evil, and hence can be killed with impunity leads to mass killings, whether the target group is "heretics" as in the Inquisition, members of another religion, as in innumerable religious conflicts going back tens of thousands of years, ranging from the Crusades to the 'ethnic cleansing' in the former Yugoslavia, to the interminable bloodletting in Northern Ireland, to name just a few examples, or "counter-revolutionaries " in communist countries.

The Turks were not atheists when they massacred the Armenians. Nor were the Serbs who killed Bosnians. The genocide in Rwanda was based on tribal identities, not religion (even if priests were among those wielding machetes.)

Belief in god does not restrain the mass murdering impulse, nor does disbelief in god alone motivate it. What motivates it is an affirmative belief in some cause which the believers think justifies harming those not holding the same beliefs. Mere disbelief does not incorporate that motivational force standing alone. It must be coupled with an affirmative belief in some other ideology to produce the impulse to mass murder.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#39 Aug 30, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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God is useful in advancing political movements, just as many of these secular types say they love the little people... only to start executing the little people once they get into power.
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Atheism in it's desperate need to show there is no god, sometimes overlooks the obvious. People like Adolph Hitler had no plan to advance any religion outside of the worship of himself and the Nazi Party ideals.
You refute your own argument. Even if Hitler himself were merely lying about his religious affiliation, he required the assistance of thousands of sincere believers to carry out his insane project. Even if he were an atheist cynically impersonating a Catholic, he used that impersonation to appeal to the loyalty of the good Catholic Germans who actually rounded up the Jews on his orders, actually herded Jews into the gas chambers and ovens, actually pulled the triggers of the guns pointed at the Jews. Whether Hitler himself was a sincere believer that he was doing the Lord's work or not, he convinced many others that murder was the Lord's work, and it was their belief in god that led them to carry out the orders.

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#40 Aug 30, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
You refute your own argument. Even if Hitler himself were merely lying about his religious affiliation, he required the assistance of thousands of sincere believers to carry out his insane project. Even if he were an atheist cynically impersonating a Catholic, he used that impersonation to appeal to the loyalty of the good Catholic Germans who actually rounded up the Jews on his orders, actually herded Jews into the gas chambers and ovens, actually pulled the triggers of the guns pointed at the Jews. Whether Hitler himself was a sincere believer that he was doing the Lord's work or not, he convinced many others that murder was the Lord's work, and it was their belief in god that led them to carry out the orders.
S-T-R-E-T-C-H. More s-t-r-e-t-c-h marks than a woman on her 12th baby.
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How many atheists helped out ole Adolph?

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