Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Relig...

Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Religious Movement",...

There are 1726 comments on the Gateway Pundit story from Aug 28, 2013, titled Insane! DOJ Declares Atheism A "Religious Movement",.... In it, Gateway Pundit reports that:

Is the DOJ collectively inhaling something toxic? The U.S. Justice Department has just identified atheism as a "religious movement" .

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Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#193 Sep 4, 2013
biomystic wrote:
Now I'm going to obey my own advice and stop responding to atheist fundies who one cannot reason with-hence no point to debating them. I recommend this to other theists who are drawn into countering atheist propaganda put on Christian boards (because public Atheism seems to be a Christian religious talkboard phenomena..)
Pack your religion and yourself back to your home planet in the Delta Quadrant.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#194 Sep 5, 2013
biomystic wrote:
Amused, to hold your "not believing in Santa Claus" belief, you have to ignore the fact of history of Saint Nicolas, don't you? I believe in Saint Nicolas's existence and therefore, knowing that he is the central character in the Santa Claus mythology, I would never say as you atheists do, not being logical thinkers but fundies, that "there is no Santa Claus." You see, fundamentalist atheists, you have to act out your prejudiced opinions based on deliberate refusal to see facts. I can do this for Jesus Christ too, as can most any knowledgeable Christian scholar who knows that the Talmud records a Yeshua or Yeishu ben Pantera, son of Joseph ben Pantera and Miriam ben Stada, a young woman betrothed to a good Jewish man who ran off with Joseph and created a big scandal. So deal with the origins of mythos, buds. And know that when you trot out your prejudices based as we see on partial, prejudiced research if any besides atheist propaganda, that we see through you and can see the behavior of fundamentalist BELIEVERS.
That you can't stop yourselves from posting your fundie atheist beliefs over and over again on Christian boards also marks the fundie behavior pattern. I post because I have new information but you guys have nothing but your putdowns to offer. And a negative belief system is still a belief system.
As for science examples, anyone is free to do a Google search on the God Gene for starters. That will bring up all the websites where brain studies have shown how our human brains have evolved to process spiritual phenomena and as a spiritual visionary I can attest along with Shakers and Quakers and even Muhammad, that the human brain has its special physical responses to spiritual energy coming into it. Tell us, oh great ones of human knowledge, what invisible physical force is it that makes one's body shake as it passes through and leaves new information in one's head? I'm an artist too and I've never had any creative moment do this nor know of any other creative people who have but it is a common reported event for religious visionaries. Please explain what it is, atheist. Please explain how an invisible physical force creates ideas that follow a specific theme? You guys just really have never stopped to realize that without spiritual experience yourselves you atheists will never know what you're talking about and just parade ignorant opinions. Doesn't matter if your Amused or Dawkins, without actual experience in the subject that you have opinions about your views are worthless twaddle.
That's a whole lot of stupid to use for one post... but I suspect your supply is unlimited
Amused

Lowell, MA

#195 Sep 5, 2013
biomystic wrote:
Amused, to hold your "not believing in Santa Claus" belief, you have to ignore the fact of history of Saint Nicolas, don't you? I believe in Saint Nicolas's existence and therefore, knowing that he is the central character in the Santa Claus mythology, I would never say as you atheists do, not being logical thinkers but fundies, that "there is no Santa Claus." You see, fundamentalist atheists, you have to act out your prejudiced opinions based on deliberate refusal to see facts. I can do this for Jesus Christ too, as can most any knowledgeable Christian scholar who knows that the Talmud records a Yeshua or Yeishu ben Pantera, son of Joseph ben Pantera and Miriam ben Stada, a young woman betrothed to a good Jewish man who ran off with Joseph and created a big scandal. So deal with the origins of mythos, buds. And know that when you trot out your prejudices based as we see on partial, prejudiced research if any besides atheist propaganda, that we see through you and can see the behavior of fundamentalist BELIEVERS.
That you can't stop yourselves from posting your fundie atheist beliefs over and over again on Christian boards also marks the fundie behavior pattern. I post because I have new information but you guys have nothing but your putdowns to offer. And a negative belief system is still a belief system.
As for science examples, anyone is free to do a Google search on the God Gene for starters. That will bring up all the websites where brain studies have shown how our human brains have evolved to process spiritual phenomena and as a spiritual visionary I can attest along with Shakers and Quakers and even Muhammad, that the human brain has its special physical responses to spiritual energy coming into it. Tell us, oh great ones of human knowledge, what invisible physical force is it that makes one's body shake as it passes through and leaves new information in one's head? I'm an artist too and I've never had any creative moment do this nor know of any other creative people who have but it is a common reported event for religious visionaries. Please explain what it is, atheist. Please explain how an invisible physical force creates ideas that follow a specific theme? You guys just really have never stopped to realize that without spiritual experience yourselves you atheists will never know what you're talking about and just parade ignorant opinions. Doesn't matter if your Amused or Dawkins, without actual experience in the subject that you have opinions about your views are worthless twaddle.
OK, Santa Claus may have been a poorly chosen example, since the legend is based very loosely on a historical person, although the historical person and the mythical Santa share very little in common. I am dying to hear your thoughts on whether non-belief in the tooth fairy or the Easter Bunny is a belief.

The response of the brain to some stimuli may be documented. The existence of "spiritual energy" as the cause of the response is not. The same brain response has been produced with electrical energy. Google "god helmet". No magic appears to be involved at all.
barry

Henagar, AL

#196 Sep 5, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
Buddhists don't "pray to" any deity. They don't "worship" the Buddha. The Buddha is an enlightened teacher, but a mortal man, not a deity. He is revered, but not worshiped. At least in theory. I've been to enough Buddhist celebrations and in enough Buddhist homes to have seen behavior towards Buddha statues closely approximating "worship" whether it is called that or not.
Although it [Budhism] teaches that anyone can attain Buddhahood, and thus can be god, it does not mean that such consciousness asserts the non-existence of a higher being. This misconception often lies on the fact that Buddhists refuse to call it God to separate it from the concept of the Christian God. The Buddhist notion of a higher being is something experiential. It is safe to say that Buddhism is pantheism, which takes the notion of God as a totality of all the things existing. In a way, veneration of God as One is veneration of All.

List of Gods in Buddhism

Tsongkhapa
Milarepa
Karmapa
Padmasambhava
Wheel Of Existence
Mandala
Bodhisatwa
Vajrapani
Ratnapani
Avalokiteswara Chenresig
Padmapani Chhyagna Pema
Ekadasmukh
Vishwapani Chhyagnasho Dorje
Manjushri Jyambheyang
Lokapalas Jigtenkyong
Dharmapala Chhoikyong
Sri Devi Palden Lhamo
Hayagriva Tamdin
Mahakala Palgon Chhyag Dug
Yama Shinjey
Yamantaka Shinje Shi
Kubera Zambala
Tara Dolma
Chakrasambhara Demchhog Khorlo
Medicine Buddha Men Lha
Samantabhadra Kuntu Sangopo
Sahasrabhuja Chhyag Tong
Kalachakra Diety

http://www.himalayacrafts.com/gods-in-buddhis...
barry

Henagar, AL

#197 Sep 5, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>Atheists don't pray or worship any 'gods' or imaginary beings. It's not a religion moron. It's the antithesis of religion.
each athiest sets himself up as the ultimate authority over what he believes. his faith is in himself.
so while it may not be an organized religion it is non the less a belief system of faith.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#198 Sep 5, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>each athiest sets himself up as the ultimate authority over what he believes. his faith is in himself.
so while it may not be an organized religion it is non the less a belief system of faith.
Bullshit. There is no faith involved. Facts, not faith. Atheist, the antithesis of religion.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#199 Sep 5, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>Although it [Budhism] teaches that anyone can attain Buddhahood, and thus can be god, it does not mean that such consciousness asserts the non-existence of a higher being. This misconception often lies on the fact that Buddhists refuse to call it God to separate it from the concept of the Christian God. The Buddhist notion of a higher being is something experiential. It is safe to say that Buddhism is pantheism, which takes the notion of God as a totality of all the things existing. In a way, veneration of God as One is veneration of All.
List of Gods in Buddhism
Tsongkhapa
Milarepa
Karmapa
Padmasambhava
Wheel Of Existence
Mandala
Bodhisatwa
Vajrapani
Ratnapani
Avalokiteswara Chenresig
Padmapani Chhyagna Pema
Ekadasmukh
Vishwapani Chhyagnasho Dorje
Manjushri Jyambheyang
Lokapalas Jigtenkyong
Dharmapala Chhoikyong
Sri Devi Palden Lhamo
Hayagriva Tamdin
Mahakala Palgon Chhyag Dug
Yama Shinjey
Yamantaka Shinje Shi
Kubera Zambala
Tara Dolma
Chakrasambhara Demchhog Khorlo
Medicine Buddha Men Lha
Samantabhadra Kuntu Sangopo
Sahasrabhuja Chhyag Tong
Kalachakra Diety
http://www.himalayacrafts.com/gods-in-buddhis...
Buddhism is divided into sects, and it is probably not helpful to talk of it as a single uniform system of belief. What is true of Tibetan Buddhism is not necessarily true of the Theraveda Buddhism practiced in Southeast Asia. Even within a single sect, local influences lead to differences in practice. I've seen Cambodian Buddhist monks performing rituals which are rooted in animism, albeit the monk I saw performing one such ceremony sheepishly admitted that it was "not real Buddhism" but something people expected of him nonetheless.

Becoming a Buddha is not the same as becoming a god. Enlightened individuals may see more deeply into the nature of reality, according to Buddhist belief. They do not, however, become immortal, possess magical powers, etc., normally considered attributes of a god, at least the western conception of a god. The enlightened get old, get sick and die, just like the unenlightened. Buddhists believe that when they do die, the enlightened escape the cycle of rebirth into suffering and join a universal consciousness. This is different from the abrahaimic concept of heaven. That idea of heaven includes retention of one's identity and sense of self or soul, so that one is a distinct consciousness in heaven. In contrast, the Buddhist perception of nirvana is of an extinction of one's separate consciousness as it merges into the one.

As for me, I understand these concepts, but do not believe them. To me, there's no more evidence to support reincarnation or nirvana than there is for any other theory of what happens to you after you die. Belief that after you die, you will live again on earth is, to me, just a different way of dealing with fear of death by denying its finality. I do believe that suffering is inherent in life, and that the more attached you are to anything, the more you will suffer, but the idea that avoiding attachment leads to anything more than a life with less suffering just fails for lack of proof.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#200 Sep 5, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>
That all sound very dogmatic. Try a dictionary. A religious belief, a religion, DOES NOT REQUIRE A GOD.
You arrogant pricks constantly show your ignorance of all things. You stopped learning. You don't even know who Sartre was, a key and significant atheist. Where'd you get your education... from a gutter? You sound like a gutter rat drugged mentally challenge homeless person, probably an Occupy type slob with needles hanging out of your arms.
I don't remember defining a religion, but I do remember that you voluntarily told us of your hallucinations.
I also did not claim atheism as a religion, nor will I accept your stance that it is one. It is missing the most relevant element to being a theism, and that is the "ism".

That someone else also does not have the malady called theism is naught to me. BTW: What exactly defines "a key and significant atheist", does he have more of that dearth of theism than do other atheist?

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#201 Sep 5, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>another distorted out of context and ignorant claim. but then what can you expect from those who set themselves and their own understanding as the ultimate authority.
Oh, please don't ever read the bible. You can stick with little snippets that your spell casters tell you to read, but actually knowing the buybull makes Christains revert to being atheist

Since: Nov 12

Eureka, CA

#202 Sep 5, 2013
Amused: "The response of the brain to some stimuli may be documented. The existence of "spiritual energy" as the cause of the response is not. The same brain response has been produced with electrical energy. Google "god helmet". No magic appears to be involved at all."

I'm glad to see you are finally taking me seriously enough to actually do some looking at the available science findings. The key to spiritual energy effecting human beings has ALWAYS been Altered States of consciousness. This god helmet is another means to the same end. Altering one's "normal" consciousness seems requisite for religious experience and this is why shamans use psycho-active drugs and why it was reported of Jesus fasting 40 days in the wilderness which would alter anyone's consciousness. My consciousness was altered by some unidentified virus I suspect because my temperature rose during the peak experiences and I was sweating a great deal every time a wave of this energy which was always accompanied by a Brand New to me spiritual revelation, one of which directed me to getting a Bible and reading it for the first time I can remember. Muhammad too reported great sweating when he received his spiritual visions. I did see a doctor who could find no cause for the slight fever.

Many people have reported religious experiences. Some like me receive so much new spiritual information they are driven to share it with others. These people create new religions. I have too. It's called Celestial Torah Christianity and there's not a single Christian sect out of perhaps a thousand varieties that contains the new spiritual information I've received to pass on to this and future generations. It changes Christianity completely by removing the whole Abrahamic false foundation and replacing it with the true historic one of holistic Near Easter participation in evolving the Anointed One/Baptism Humanitarian Ruler model that is the function of the Christ Messiah.

Here is my website where this original religious conversion experience can be read. Http://biomystic.org/original.htm . Celestial Torah Christianity can be read at: Http;//biomystic.org/celestial torah.htm
barry

Henagar, AL

#203 Sep 5, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>Bullshit. There is no faith involved. Facts, not faith. Atheist, the antithesis of religion.
is it common for athiest to not know how to act civil?
your belief system is based on pure faith in what you understand and think to be true. you can't prove God so you don't accept that he exists.
barry

Henagar, AL

#204 Sep 5, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, please don't ever read the bible. You can stick with little snippets that your spell casters tell you to read, but actually knowing the buybull makes Christains revert to being atheist
oh? i'm supposed to not read the Bible because you are going to tell me what it really says. i get it. a little distortion never hurt anyone until the distorter is called on it.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#205 Sep 5, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, according the the Department of Justice and me, there's atheism. I'd add Communism and other forms of man worship. There's also homosexuals and their penis worship. Some atheist nutters think rocks are important.
Do you think your god is a penis worshipper? Do you know that there is not a single buybull scripture where the appearance of a woman's genetalia was even mentioned. A woman's genetalia is considered filth that must be hidden away forever . Yet, a man's penis and scrotum had to be perfect looking or else he couldn't approach your god's altar. I think your god is a penis worshipper. I wonder who did the "penis prettiness" checks for him?
Amused

Lowell, MA

#206 Sep 5, 2013
biomystic wrote:
Amused: "The response of the brain to some stimuli may be documented. The existence of "spiritual energy" as the cause of the response is not. The same brain response has been produced with electrical energy. Google "god helmet". No magic appears to be involved at all."
I'm glad to see you are finally taking me seriously enough to actually do some looking at the available science findings. The key to spiritual energy effecting human beings has ALWAYS been Altered States of consciousness. This god helmet is another means to the same end. Altering one's "normal" consciousness seems requisite for religious experience and this is why shamans use psycho-active drugs and why it was reported of Jesus fasting 40 days in the wilderness which would alter anyone's consciousness. My consciousness was altered by some unidentified virus I suspect because my temperature rose during the peak experiences and I was sweating a great deal every time a wave of this energy which was always accompanied by a Brand New to me spiritual revelation, one of which directed me to getting a Bible and reading it for the first time I can remember. Muhammad too reported great sweating when he received his spiritual visions. I did see a doctor who could find no cause for the slight fever.
Many people have reported religious experiences. Some like me receive so much new spiritual information they are driven to share it with others. These people create new religions. I have too. It's called Celestial Torah Christianity and there's not a single Christian sect out of perhaps a thousand varieties that contains the new spiritual information I've received to pass on to this and future generations. It changes Christianity completely by removing the whole Abrahamic false foundation and replacing it with the true historic one of holistic Near Easter participation in evolving the Anointed One/Baptism Humanitarian Ruler model that is the function of the Christ Messiah.
Here is my website where this original religious conversion experience can be read. Http://biomystic.org/original.htm . Celestial Torah Christianity can be read at: Http;//biomystic.org/celestial torah.htm
Fevers, psychoactive drugs and fasting do, indeed, cause altered states of consciousness. In fact, they are a complete explanation for such states in and of themselves. No hypothetical, untestable "spiritual energy" needs to be added to the equation.

One can question whether things experienced while in an altered state of consciousness are reliable as information. One can even question whether things perceived in such states are external phenomena or manifestations of things in your subconscious. I tend to agree with P.J. O'Rourke's observation that "psychedelic drugs are like a one person birthday party. You don't get any gifts you didn't bring."

I think you contradict yourself when you say that you had a virus, and then later say that no cause could be found for your fever. Your body usually reacts to infection, both viral and bacterial, by, among other things, raising your body temperature. Fevers are part of the defense against infection. You will also have an increase in your blood glucose level, as the body releases more energy to fight off the infection. Because I am diabetic, I test my blood glucose levels daily. I can usually tell I am coming down with something by the increase in blood glucose levels a day or two before symptoms emerge.(Unless I cheated and indulged in a candy bar the day before. I don't often, but sometimes the urge is just overwhelming.)

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#207 Sep 5, 2013
Mike A Coloradoan wrote:
Atheism is a religious belief. Belief in nothing, is belief in something. Nothing. Even though you are something, and are made of something. So, what is nothing? These people are sick freaks. They don't believe in God, but by and large, they do believe that all of the races are equal. What a miracle! These are the same people that murdered hundreds of millions of people in the last century, and given the chance would murder you too. They're communists. Believe what you want, don't bring me into it. I am only interested in people that have a triple-digit i.q. These Jew-led egalitarian freaks are the greatest danger to society today. They would burn you at the stake if they could.
Don't bring you into it? Wow, you are a chicken sh!t, you just swan dived into it head first you low-life, you rolled around in it, and got totally slathered, and you come out reeking to high heaven, and you say for us not to bring >> you <<, into it. LOL!

Btw: Atheism is lacking the main component of theism, and that is an "ism". Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi, who came only for the Jews. Just ask your Arabic god, he will tell you.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#208 Sep 5, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>alright then, how about posting one of your "straight from the Bible" claims/accusations and we'll see just what the Bible says in total about what you happen to think.
you make a fuzzy claim without any details and it seems so shocking. let's look at the rest of the details.
I makes no accusations, nor claims, the book does that on it's own, but I do frequently post scripture from the buybull. The buybull has no idea what I think, nor does it make comment on my thoughts, it's a BOOK.

This is what I posted(and mispelled) >>> "Jehovah owns it, in Leviticus, he flat out says that when he is angered he will punish you seven times what you deserve, and you will eat your children."

Breaking it down for you, in a sentence where you see not a single detail, there are actually seven. Still, I had hoped that one of you lot might actually look this up, but it's too much trouble, I suppose.

detail # 1. Jehovah owns it
detail # 2. in Leviticus
detail # 3. he flat out says
detail # 4. when he is angered
detail # 5. he will punish you
detail # 6. seven times what you deserve
detail # 7. and you will eat your children

I don't guess you have the necessary skills to google any of these "details" to find the book and scripture numbers on your on? Try Leviticus 26:29

Since: Nov 12

Eureka, CA

#209 Sep 5, 2013
You are looking for contradictions, Amused when you should just read what I wrote better: "unidentified virus I suspect". I do suspect an unidentified virus because there were at least two others in our homestead community area who came down with mysterious illnesses around that time and their illnesses too were not given any specific diagnosis.

And you are still not really thinking about the fact that my religious visions came BEFORE I had ever read the Bible. Certainly not familiar except through common American culture with Christian ideology. And you can see what I was given was a whole New Set of Christian visions and revelations. You can't find any Christian doctrine before the Gospel of Humanity that contains the ideas in it. Same for the Sword of Peace Vision and the Christ Josephine one, both of which are spiritual visions that became Shared by others feeling the spiritual power of them. Over 500 Nazarean Christians for example in 2003. I know my spiritual work is of God because my visions would have just sat in my head or written down and never affected anyone else except God gave the visions spiritual power to do so. Atheism can only exist in the minds of people who've never had real religious experiences so the atheist ideology to me has nothing to do with logic or reality but everything to do with lack of experience of people who are unaware of it yet whose egos are so wrapped up in defending their unawareness they forget that fact that you just cannot know what you're talking about with experiential knowledge. Can't be done.

Since: Nov 12

Eureka, CA

#210 Sep 5, 2013
Make that "without" experiential knowledge..

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#211 Sep 5, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>is it common for athiest to not know how to act civil?
your belief system is based on pure faith in what you understand and think to be true. you can't prove God so you don't accept that he exists.
System? Where?

Do you claim a god? If so, you prove it. You can't prove god so you think he doesn't exist, right? If I were claiming one, I could prove it. Why can't you?

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#212 Sep 5, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>oh? i'm supposed to not read the Bible because you are going to tell me what it really says. i get it. a little distortion never hurt anyone until the distorter is called on it.
You need to work on your comprehension skills. It was a simple paragraph, and my words said all I wanted them to say.

Remember this >>> "Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, please don't ever read the bible. You can stick with little snippets that your spell casters tell you to read, but actually knowing the buybull makes Christains revert to being atheist"

HEY DISTORTER PAY ATTENTION >>>> knowing the buybull makes Christains revert to being atheist

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