Was Jesus a terrorist?

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EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#1 Dec 11, 2013
Assuming there was a person called Jesus on whom Christian mythology is based, I wondered if he were a terrorist. That might explain if he were hated and condemned to crucifixion. So I googled it. This is one of the results..
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quote,
First century Galilee was a hotbed of political unrest. Peasant Galileans hated their Roman oppressors. I believe if we read the gospels bearing this in mind we get very strong hints of who the real Jesus was. For example Jesus said

"From the time of John the Baptist the Kingdom of heaven has been advancing violently, and the violent take it by force." (Matthew 11;12)

“…if you have no sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”(Luke 22: 36 NJB)...
Unquote.

So little is known about him. It'd be ironic if the real Jesus had more in common with Abu Hamza (or maybe Charles Manson or Jim Jones?) than the mythical one of Christianity.

Religion = superstition
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#2 Dec 11, 2013
Militant islamists today seem just like the early christians who wrecked many of the Greco Roman advances.

We don't want another Dark Ages.
EdSed wrote:
Assuming there was a person called Jesus on whom Christian mythology is based, I wondered if he were a terrorist. That might explain if he were hated and condemned to crucifixion. So I googled it. This is one of the results..
From:
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Threa...
quote,
First century Galilee was a hotbed of political unrest. Peasant Galileans hated their Roman oppressors. I believe if we read the gospels bearing this in mind we get very strong hints of who the real Jesus was. For example Jesus said
"From the time of John the Baptist the Kingdom of heaven has been advancing violently, and the violent take it by force." (Matthew 11;12)
“…if you have no sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”(Luke 22: 36 NJB)...
Unquote.
So little is known about him. It'd be ironic if the real Jesus had more in common with Abu Hamza (or maybe Charles Manson or Jim Jones?) than the mythical one of Christianity.
Religion = superstition
Amused

Lowell, MA

#3 Dec 12, 2013
EdSed wrote:
Assuming there was a person called Jesus on whom Christian mythology is based, I wondered if he were a terrorist. That might explain if he were hated and condemned to crucifixion. So I googled it. This is one of the results..
From:
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Threa...
quote,
First century Galilee was a hotbed of political unrest. Peasant Galileans hated their Roman oppressors. I believe if we read the gospels bearing this in mind we get very strong hints of who the real Jesus was. For example Jesus said
"From the time of John the Baptist the Kingdom of heaven has been advancing violently, and the violent take it by force." (Matthew 11;12)
“…if you have no sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”(Luke 22: 36 NJB)...
Unquote.
So little is known about him. It'd be ironic if the real Jesus had more in common with Abu Hamza (or maybe Charles Manson or Jim Jones?) than the mythical one of Christianity.
Religion = superstition
By the same token, jesus could have been a space alien, a merry prankster putting his fellow jews on, a Roman double agent, a batsh*t crazy homeless man, etc., wherever your mind wanders.
You are in grave danger of becoming a theist. They also conjure up theories in the total absence of any facts.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#4 Dec 12, 2013
EdSed wrote:
Assuming there was a person called Jesus on whom Christian mythology is based, I wondered if he were a terrorist. That might explain if he were hated and condemned to crucifixion. So I googled it. This is one of the results..
From:
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Threa...
quote,
First century Galilee was a hotbed of political unrest. Peasant Galileans hated their Roman oppressors. I believe if we read the gospels bearing this in mind we get very strong hints of who the real Jesus was. For example Jesus said
"From the time of John the Baptist the Kingdom of heaven has been advancing violently, and the violent take it by force." (Matthew 11;12)
“…if you have no sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”(Luke 22: 36 NJB)...
Unquote.
So little is known about him. It'd be ironic if the real Jesus had more in common with Abu Hamza (or maybe Charles Manson or Jim Jones?) than the mythical one of Christianity.
Religion = superstition
During the biblical times, the Jewish lied about Jesus so people would kill him, but Jesus just walked away all the time.

Do you call that a terrorist?
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#5 Dec 12, 2013
israel lies all the time but they do have real terrorist problems.
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
During the biblical times, the Jewish lied about Jesus so people would kill him, but Jesus just walked away all the time.
Do you call that a terrorist?

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#6 Dec 16, 2013
Thinking wrote:
israel lies all the time but they do have real terrorist problems.
<quoted text>
There's a difference between Israel now and Israel 2000years ago
Jim

London, UK

#7 Dec 16, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
During the biblical times, the Jewish lied about Jesus so people would kill him, but Jesus just walked away all the time.
Do you call that a terrorist?
No evidence jesus was real, so projecting your delusions again.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#8 Dec 16, 2013
EdSed wrote:
Assuming there was a person called Jesus on whom Christian mythology is based, I wondered if he were a terrorist. That might explain if he were hated and condemned to crucifixion. So I googled it. This is one of the results..
From:
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Threa...
quote,
First century Galilee was a hotbed of political unrest. Peasant Galileans hated their Roman oppressors. I believe if we read the gospels bearing this in mind we get very strong hints of who the real Jesus was. For example Jesus said
"From the time of John the Baptist the Kingdom of heaven has been advancing violently, and the violent take it by force." (Matthew 11;12)
“…if you have no sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”(Luke 22: 36 NJB)...
Unquote.
So little is known about him. It'd be ironic if the real Jesus had more in common with Abu Hamza (or maybe Charles Manson or Jim Jones?) than the mythical one of Christianity.
Religion = superstition
This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen, Dead Sled.

You morons have found your niche.
Jim

London, UK

#9 Dec 17, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen, Dead Sled.
You morons have found your niche.
All you christian trolls can say is 'dumb this' an 'stupid that'- all the while having no evidence... at all.
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#10 Dec 17, 2013
What country has remained unaltered for 2000 years?
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
There's a difference between Israel now and Israel 2000years ago
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#11 Dec 17, 2013
Buck has an irrational belief that infinity can't exist but has nothing to back it up. That's why he gets angry.
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
All you christian trolls can say is 'dumb this' an 'stupid that'- all the while having no evidence... at all.
Jim

London, UK

#12 Dec 17, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Buck has an irrational belief that infinity can't exist but has nothing to back it up. That's why he gets angry.
<quoted text>
Haha, its kinda sad watching such a small mind arrogantly conclude stupidity because of its small mind. Like evolution dealt the hand of stupid.
EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#13 Dec 18, 2013
Amused wrote:
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By the same token, jesus could have been a space alien, a merry prankster putting his fellow jews on, a Roman double agent, a batsh*t crazy homeless man, etc., wherever your mind wanders.
A merry prankster? A space alien??:-)
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
You are in grave danger of becoming a theist. They also conjure up theories in the total absence of any facts.
What? Than makes no sense at all.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/theistic
You seem to have misunderstood my post.

The point I thought I was making so clearly is that very little is known about the historical figure. Assuming he existed and wasn't entirely mythical, he seems similar to King Arthur or Mohammed in that such a personage apparently did exist and a theology/mythology grew around him. Speculation doesn't risk someone 'becoming a theist'.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#14 Dec 18, 2013
EdSed wrote:
Assuming there was a person called Jesus on whom Christian mythology is based, I wondered if he were a terrorist. That might explain if he were hated and condemned to crucifixion. So I googled it. This is one of the results..
From:
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Threa...
quote,
First century Galilee was a hotbed of political unrest. Peasant Galileans hated their Roman oppressors. I believe if we read the gospels bearing this in mind we get very strong hints of who the real Jesus was. For example Jesus said
"From the time of John the Baptist the Kingdom of heaven has been advancing violently, and the violent take it by force." (Matthew 11;12)
“…if you have no sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”(Luke 22: 36 NJB)...
Unquote.
So little is known about him. It'd be ironic if the real Jesus had more in common with Abu Hamza (or maybe Charles Manson or Jim Jones?) than the mythical one of Christianity.
Religion = superstition
There is considerable and multiple sources of circumstantial evidence that the person named jesus was Yeshu ben Pantera, alias judas of Galilee and never existed as described in the babble, which was compiled some 300 years after events.

The illegitimate child of Mary by a roman soldier named Julius Pantera. There is mention of this in the Tanakh (the Jewish holy book from which the babble OT is “selectively” copied) and rabbinical records that refer to the child as Yeshu ben Pantera.

The child grew to become a leader of the group called the fourth philosophy, a radical Hebrew group opposed to Roman occupation, he took another alias Judas of the Sicarii. The Sicarii were a violent terrorist sub group of the fourth philosophy. He was captured with the help of a trap laid by a man named Saulus, later known in the babble as St Paul. Judas was tried and put to the cross.

His buddies from the fourth philosophy bribed the guard and Judas was released and was seen around the area after his supposed execution. He died soon after of blood poisoning caused by the nails of his execution.

The fourth philosophy hailed him as their posthumous leader and the band caused some serious hassle for the Romans. The emperor Titus along with historian Josephus concocted a plan to discredit the group and the leader by spreading word that Judas of the sicarii and another of his alter egos, Judas Iscariot (notice in Latin all that is required is the swapping around of letters) as the man who betrayed himself

The name jesus was not coined until the archives of the plan were being translated to greek when some scribe confused, used the names Yeshu to identify a difference in names.

Catholic Emperor Theodosius ordered a purge of all public records that contradicted the New Testament's version of jesus' life. However some survived or can be implied from surviving documents, see the rebuttal of Celsus' work by Origen, his rebuttal describes the contents of Celsus work even though it was destroyed in the (highly selective and suspicious) fire of the library in Alexandra. Also any early work of Saulus and of course the Tanakh

Also see the books

Pantera by Sara Reinke
James, the brother of Christ by Robert Eisenman
The Mythmaker by Hyam Maccobys
Judas the Galilean: the flesh and blood Jesus by Danial Underbank
Jesus the Terrorist by Paul Cresswell

You will also note that based on the data above some people think that the real leader of the group that became christians was John the baptiser, an oddball Hebrew priests with some very weird ideas for that time. The infiltration of his group by the forth philosophy resulted in what is now known as christianity.

All this is of course circumstantial however it has considerably more supportive evidence than the babble stories which have none.

Also note that “Yeshu,” is a Talmudic acronym for “Yimach Shmo V’Zichro” meaning “May his name and memory be obliterated.”
LCNLin

United States

#15 Dec 18, 2013
"There is considerable and multiple sources of circumstantial evidence that the person named jesus was Yeshu ben Pantera,...."

LOL

His mumbo jumbo seems pathetic except as humour.

Those addicted to the Atheist Troll Syndrome which ridicules, mocks, scorns and satirizes the idea of the existence of a deity or deities seem responsive to therapy..

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#16 Dec 18, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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There is considerable and multiple sources of circumstantial evidence that the person named jesus was Yeshu ben Pantera, alias judas of Galilee and never existed as described in the babble, which was compiled some 300 years after events.
The illegitimate child of Mary by a roman soldier named Julius Pantera. There is mention of this in the Tanakh (the Jewish holy book from which the babble OT is “selectively” copied) and rabbinical records that refer to the child as Yeshu ben Pantera.
The child grew to become a leader of the group called the fourth philosophy, a radical Hebrew group opposed to Roman occupation, he took another alias Judas of the Sicarii. The Sicarii were a violent terrorist sub group of the fourth philosophy. He was captured with the help of a trap laid by a man named Saulus, later known in the babble as St Paul. Judas was tried and put to the cross.
His buddies from the fourth philosophy bribed the guard and Judas was released and was seen around the area after his supposed execution. He died soon after of blood poisoning caused by the nails of his execution.
The fourth philosophy hailed him as their posthumous leader and the band caused some serious hassle for the Romans. The emperor Titus along with historian Josephus concocted a plan to discredit the group and the leader by spreading word that Judas of the sicarii and another of his alter egos, Judas Iscariot (notice in Latin all that is required is the swapping around of letters) as the man who betrayed himself
The name jesus was not coined until the archives of the plan were being translated to greek when some scribe confused, used the names Yeshu to identify a difference in names.
Catholic Emperor Theodosius ordered a purge of all public records that contradicted the New Testament's version of jesus' life. However some survived or can be implied from surviving documents, see the rebuttal of Celsus' work by Origen, his rebuttal describes the contents of Celsus work even though it was destroyed in the (highly selective and suspicious) fire of the library in Alexandra. Also any early work of Saulus and of course the Tanakh
Also see the books
Pantera by Sara Reinke
James, the brother of Christ by Robert Eisenman
The Mythmaker by Hyam Maccobys
Judas the Galilean: the flesh and blood Jesus by Danial Underbank
Jesus the Terrorist by Paul Cresswell
You will also note that based on the data above some people think that the real leader of the group that became christians was John the baptiser, an oddball Hebrew priests with some very weird ideas for that time. The infiltration of his group by the forth philosophy resulted in what is now known as christianity.
All this is of course circumstantial however it has considerably more supportive evidence than the babble stories which have none.
Also note that “Yeshu,” is a Talmudic acronym for “Yimach Shmo V’Zichro” meaning “May his name and memory be obliterated.”
An idiot can find most anything on the internet.

As you proved.

Is Yeshu the one who disproved God with E=mc^2?

Bwahahahahahahahhahahahahahahh aha....
Jim

London, UK

#17 Dec 18, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
"There is considerable and multiple sources of circumstantial evidence that the person named jesus was Yeshu ben Pantera,...."
LOL
His mumbo jumbo seems pathetic except as humour.
Those addicted to the Atheist Troll Syndrome which ridicules, mocks, scorns and satirizes the idea of the existence of a deity or deities seem responsive to therapy..
All religious psychobabble no evidence.
Jim

London, UK

#18 Dec 18, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
An idiot can find most anything on the internet.
As you proved.
Is Yeshu the one who disproved God with E=mc^2?
Bwahahahahahahahhahahahahahahh aha....
Crazy laughter indicates religious fanaticism.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#19 Dec 19, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
An idiot can find most anything on the internet.
As you proved.
Is Yeshu the one who disproved God with E=mc^2?
Bwahahahahahahahhahahahahahahh aha....
Hey butt crack, Io Saturnalia

There is real evidence or are you saying that the writings of Origen written in the 4th century and specifically penned to discredit a document later destroyed by Theodosius enthused christians were done for the internet? Wow, go figure.

Are you saying that the Tanakh, the book you babble was selectively cloned from was written over thousands of years just to satisfy you need to blame the internet? Wow those Jews were dammed good at the clairvoyance and prophecy thing eh?

Nope It was Einstein do formed the equation E=MC^2, I really though you would have learned that at school. Had it been Yeshu ben Pantera then the whole Jesus god thing would have been resolved 2000 years ago.

I just love it when you have nothing and so have to resort to deliberate ignorance and irrelevant personality attacks to prove your inbuilt godbot spite of anyone not butt crack, It just proves how pathetic you are.
LCNLin wrote:
"There is considerable and multiple sources of circumstantial evidence that the person named jesus was Yeshu ben Pantera,...."
LOL
His mumbo jumbo seems pathetic except as humour.
Those addicted to the Atheist Troll Syndrome which ridicules, mocks, scorns and satirizes the idea of the existence of a deity or deities seem responsive to therapy..
See above
Jim

London, UK

#20 Dec 19, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
"There is considerable and multiple sources of circumstantial evidence that the person named jesus was Yeshu ben Pantera,...."
LOL
His mumbo jumbo seems pathetic except as humour.
Those addicted to the Atheist Troll Syndrome which ridicules, mocks, scorns and satirizes the idea of the existence of a deity or deities seem responsive to therapy..
Why waste your hate on 3% of the population by your own confession?

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