Agnosticsm and atheism arent seperate

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“Work out your own salvation.”

Since: Jan 12

new york

#1 Aug 9, 2012
Not knowing whether god is real or not is not a belief it is about knowledge. People think agnostic is sepertae from atheism but i am proof that that is not the case.Agnostic and gnostic are two viewpoints on whether god is knowable or not. Agnostic we can never know for certain whether god is real or not.Gnostic we KNOW for certain god is real or not.Agnostic is saying i dont know not a belief. Im a agnostic atheist im open to the possibility of god but until theres proof i remain atheist. Theists can be agnostic also they are open to the possibility god doesnt exist but until there is evidence remain theist.Agnostic atheist also has weak atheism
I dont believe in any gods versus the gnostic atheist or strong atheism I KNOW there are no gods.

So what do you all think?

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Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#2 Aug 9, 2012
Lady Rin Kayamata wrote:
Not knowing whether god is real or not is not a belief it is about knowledge. People think agnostic is sepertae from atheism but i am proof that that is not the case.Agnostic and gnostic are two viewpoints on whether god is knowable or not. Agnostic we can never know for certain whether god is real or not.Gnostic we KNOW for certain god is real or not.Agnostic is saying i dont know not a belief. Im a agnostic atheist im open to the possibility of god but until theres proof i remain atheist. Theists can be agnostic also they are open to the possibility god doesnt exist but until there is evidence remain theist.Agnostic atheist also has weak atheism
I dont believe in any gods versus the gnostic atheist or strong atheism I KNOW there are no gods.
So what do you all think?
Agnostic “I do not know if there are gods or not”.

Atheist “I do not believe in gods”.

Yes the two might be interpreted your way but the above is more to the point.

Since: Jun 07

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#3 Aug 10, 2012
Lady Rin Kayamata wrote:
Not knowing whether god is real or not is not a belief it is about knowledge. People think agnostic is sepertae from atheism but i am proof that that is not the case.Agnostic and gnostic are two viewpoints on whether god is knowable or not. Agnostic we can never know for certain whether god is real or not.Gnostic we KNOW for certain god is real or not.Agnostic is saying i dont know not a belief. Im a agnostic atheist im open to the possibility of god but until theres proof i remain atheist. Theists can be agnostic also they are open to the possibility god doesnt exist but until there is evidence remain theist.Agnostic atheist also has weak atheism
I dont believe in any gods versus the gnostic atheist or strong atheism I KNOW there are no gods.
So what do you all think?
Those are just bullsh*t meaningless words from philosophy. Atheism doesn't need to be gnostic.

By using the word Gnostic,(a prori knowledge) it makes the assumption that science is an "ism". Sciencism. This is a lie perpetuated by theists and has made it into the language by sheer use, not by logical validity.

Science isn't an "ism" no more that Gravity is an "ism", the information revealed by the process of science is evidence based and factual. Evolution is a fact not an "ism" as many religious people would like you to believe.

Materialism is not an "ism" either. THe burden of proof is upon theists to prove that there is a world outside the material world. They haven't been able to bring a shred of evidence for this claim and instead invented the world "Materialist" as a derogatory term for people who deny their religion.

It's a bit like saying:

Hey atheists, do you know what you can't fly? It's because you're a Walkist following your Walkist way of life.

You think about the world in terms of footsteps and so you are close minded. You need to think outside of your Walkist ways because humans can Fly. But only if they believe in Flyism. Its a way of thinking you see.

What? There are no living survivors of Flyism? Ooops.

Looks like mere "ways of thinking" just don't match up with reality.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#4 Aug 10, 2012
Lady Rin Kayamata wrote:
Not knowing whether god is real or not is not a belief it is about knowledge. People think agnostic is sepertae from atheism but i am proof that that is not the case.Agnostic and gnostic are two viewpoints on whether god is knowable or not. Agnostic we can never know for certain whether god is real or not.Gnostic we KNOW for certain god is real or not.Agnostic is saying i dont know not a belief. Im a agnostic atheist im open to the possibility of god but until theres proof i remain atheist. Theists can be agnostic also they are open to the possibility god doesnt exist but until there is evidence remain theist.Agnostic atheist also has weak atheism
I dont believe in any gods versus the gnostic atheist or strong atheism I KNOW there are no gods.
So what do you all think?
To be without theism, makes no statement. Sans religion, sans gods, equals atheist. It need be nothing more.

And with no relevancy to my being an atheist, I do not believe that any gods exist or ever did, exist. They simply are incredulous man made tools,(constructs) which defy any rational, moral or human* agenda.

* other than the self serving human agendas

“Work out your own salvation.”

Since: Jan 12

new york

#5 Aug 10, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Those are just bullsh*t meaningless words from philosophy. Atheism doesn't need to be gnostic.
By using the word Gnostic,(a prori knowledge) it makes the assumption that science is an "ism". Sciencism. This is a lie perpetuated by theists and has made it into the language by sheer use, not by logical validity.
Science isn't an "ism" no more that Gravity is an "ism", the information revealed by the process of science is evidence based and factual. Evolution is a fact not an "ism" as many religious people would like you to believe.
Materialism is not an "ism" either. THe burden of proof is upon theists to prove that there is a world outside the material world. They haven't been able to bring a shred of evidence for this claim and instead invented the world "Materialist" as a derogatory term for people who deny their religion.
It's a bit like saying:
Hey atheists, do you know what you can't fly? It's because you're a Walkist following your Walkist way of life.
You think about the world in terms of footsteps and so you are close minded. You need to think outside of your Walkist ways because humans can Fly. But only if they believe in Flyism. Its a way of thinking you see.
What? There are no living survivors of Flyism? Ooops.
Looks like mere "ways of thinking" just don't match up with reality.
Ya that sounds stupid....walkist

“Work out your own salvation.”

Since: Jan 12

new york

#6 Aug 10, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>To be without theism, makes no statement. Sans religion, sans gods, equals atheist. It need be nothing more.
And with no relevancy to my being an atheist, I do not believe that any gods exist or ever did, exist. They simply are incredulous man made tools,(constructs) which defy any rational, moral or human* agenda.
* other than the self serving human agendas
What scares me about religion is how it goes unchallenged despite the tyranny in it.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#7 Aug 10, 2012
Lady Rin Kayamata wrote:
<quoted text>What scares me about religion is how it goes unchallenged despite the tyranny in it.
More than unchallenged, it goes unexamined by the very ones, most vocally lauding it's merits.

Post a verse or two of actual scripture that flies in the face of what modern Christainity believes, and you will get silence or virtual mayhem in return. The hatred quickly becomes palpable. I have been called a liar, many times for citing scriptural content to the bible thumper, and when I post proof of what I have said is in there, I am lucky to get only a personal attack posted. Quite often the virtual attack spreads to my friends and family, and in the most obscene ways possible.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#8 Aug 10, 2012
Exactly one has to do with beliefs the other knowledge. Unless you are in dumbfuqbuck world and in that case the words have their own bizarre definitions. Lol!
Very Cynical Person wrote:
<quoted text>
Agnostic “I do not know if there are gods or not”.
Atheist “I do not believe in gods”.
Yes the two might be interpreted your way but the above is more to the point.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#9 Aug 10, 2012
Of course in your situation the theist agnostic you have a sticky and very childish situation. Basically asking for someone to disprove a myth and that is insanity.

Of course when we ask them to prove Santa doesn't really exist or unicorns whatever pick a myth, don't you notice they never EVER have an answer for that. They vanish only to return with prove God doesn't exist! Rinse an repeat.

I prefer to set it up as lawyers would in a court trial. If both sides presented evidence and facts defending their claim about do gods exist the lawyer arguing for him/them is in for a rough day lol!
Lady Rin Kayamata wrote:
Not knowing whether god is real or not is not a belief it is about knowledge. People think agnostic is sepertae from atheism but i am proof that that is not the case.Agnostic and gnostic are two viewpoints on whether god is knowable or not. Agnostic we can never know for certain whether god is real or not.Gnostic we KNOW for certain god is real or not.Agnostic is saying i dont know not a belief. Im a agnostic atheist im open to the possibility of god but until theres proof i remain atheist. Theists can be agnostic also they are open to the possibility god doesnt exist but until there is evidence remain theist.Agnostic atheist also has weak atheism
I dont believe in any gods versus the gnostic atheist or strong atheism I KNOW there are no gods.
So what do you all think?

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