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#123 Mar 29, 2011
Bob, it might also be of interest that the Jewish faith has changed as much as the Christian faith. It moved from one movement to another, to another and then back again. There's a great article on these changes at

http://www.aishdas.org/articles/rambam_creati...

Here is a short portion of that article, showing the differences in Maimonides ( medieval Jewish philosopher and a great Torah scholar and physician of the Middle Ages) work:

Maimonides begins his discussion of Creation in the Guide by reviewing three possibilities: the Mosaic, Platonic and Aristotelian.[5] The Mosaic position, as learned from Scriptures, holds that God created the world and everything out of nothing, or ex nihilo. Platonic Creation, on the other hand, believes in the existence of an antemundane matter out of which God created everything. Thus, there was always present some eternal matter that coexisted with God, and at some point, God Created, i.e. formed it into Heaven, Earth and all that is contained within. Aristotle, however, believes the world is eternal. Through an initial act, God caused the world to be brought to its present state, but not from a state of nonexistence, and not by a series of “miraculous” interventions but “of necessity,” by the utterly deterministic unfolding of an inexorably inevitable series of “mechanical” causes, flowing one from the other all the way back to the First Cause, which is God’s “Act.”

As we see, even the Jews cannot agree on what their holy book means or how it is to be read and interpreted.

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#124 Mar 29, 2011
Oh, meant to say Maimonides work 'Guide'.

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#125 Mar 29, 2011
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> I think it is basically used as a name out of ignorance. It has been used here in the US for so long as to make it the name, so it is ignorance (not the inability to learn) that makes it so.
The ultimate God of the Jews was YHWH. There are churches who use Jehovah, churches who use Yahweh, Churches who use El Shadai, and the list goes on. Each of them worships a different God without knowing it. But that opens another whole can of worms.:)
Well, you ought to know me by now: I think there are easily as many gods as there are believers-in-gods.

For I submit this: since no gods are reality-based? This means that all gods are imagination-based. As such, each imaginary god for each god-believer is unique to that individual, and dies when he/she dies.

But it's worse: when you get a group of god-believers together? There are, of course, the individual imaginary gods as imagined by each individual. Then there is the intersection of all these individual gods to create another god-- the public "face" as it were, held collectively by the group. This secondary god is even more nebulous, and is apt to change it's attributes frequently, depending on who in the group has more leadership/influence on the group-think. This collective god is never personal, obviously-- that always falls back to the individual's personal imaginary god.

What is amazing, is that these god-believers will cheerfully >>ignore<< any discrepancies between their personal god and the group's god! If pushed, they likely call it "mystery of god" and other nonsensical garbage-think.

Obviously, all these imaginary gods come from somewhere-- a sort of "god template" if you will. In the USA? The most common template is the bible, of course. Elsewhere, it could be nature, or aliens, or the quoran or other sources.

Those gods are always pretty static, though, without any real 'life' of there own. But they do form the basis for building the imaginary gods of individuals.

To sum up: there is a unique imaginary god for each god-believer. And there is a unique intersection-god (also imaginary) for each believer-group. And? There is still a more nebulous intersection-god between groups.

You see this intersection-god (imaginary, still) cited anytime you hear a god-botherer claiming that "christians, jews and muslims all worship the same god".

Sure they do: the imaginary intersection-god between the 3 major god-groups of the desert.

Which typically has very little in common with the individual gods of the individual followers...

... so.

If there are 5 billion god-believers on earth?

That means there are at the very minimum, 5 billion different gods within their individual minds.

And there are, what? At least 2.5 billion intersection-gods? Something like that.

So the total usages of the word "god" is likely upwards of 7 billion different versions.....

... mind boggling, really.

;)

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#126 Mar 29, 2011
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>Here is a 'late' chart of the 72 names of God. It was put in place by early Christians, and is corrupted, but it gives you a good idea of how it has been more corrupted as time has passed and religion has evolved to fit the needs of the church:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kircher-Dia...
And here is the modern day explanation of the 72 names of God, give as 'aspects' or 'titles' of God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_...
After reading this, though, when one reads the OT one sees that these Gods had separate personalities, separate acts/deeds/abilities, and a separate place in the grand scheme of things.
It's very interesting to a person who was indoctrinated for so very many years.
Interesting. Clearly, the religion of the Jews evolved over time, beginning with a multiplicity of different gods-- no different than other ancient superstitious cultures, really.

I wonder when, exactly, they decided to reduce it to just two? A "good" and an "evil" deity?

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#127 Mar 29, 2011
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, you ought to know me by now: I think there are easily as many gods as there are believers-in-gods.
For I submit this: since no gods are reality-based? This means that all gods are imagination-based. As such, each imaginary god for each god-believer is unique to that individual, and dies when he/she dies.
But it's worse: when you get a group of god-believers together? There are, of course, the individual imaginary gods as imagined by each individual. Then there is the intersection of all these individual gods to create another god-- the public "face" as it were, held collectively by the group. This secondary god is even more nebulous, and is apt to change it's attributes frequently, depending on who in the group has more leadership/influence on the group-think. This collective god is never personal, obviously-- that always falls back to the individual's personal imaginary god.
What is amazing, is that these god-believers will cheerfully >>ignore<< any discrepancies between their personal god and the group's god! If pushed, they likely call it "mystery of god" and other nonsensical garbage-think.
Obviously, all these imaginary gods come from somewhere-- a sort of "god template" if you will. In the USA? The most common template is the bible, of course. Elsewhere, it could be nature, or aliens, or the quoran or other sources.
Those gods are always pretty static, though, without any real 'life' of there own. But they do form the basis for building the imaginary gods of individuals.
To sum up: there is a unique imaginary god for each god-believer. And there is a unique intersection-god (also imaginary) for each believer-group. And? There is still a more nebulous intersection-god between groups.
You see this intersection-god (imaginary, still) cited anytime you hear a god-botherer claiming that "christians, jews and muslims all worship the same god".
Sure they do: the imaginary intersection-god between the 3 major god-groups of the desert.
Which typically has very little in common with the individual gods of the individual followers...
... so.
If there are 5 billion god-believers on earth?
That means there are at the very minimum, 5 billion different gods within their individual minds.
And there are, what? At least 2.5 billion intersection-gods? Something like that.
So the total usages of the word "god" is likely upwards of 7 billion different versions.....
... mind boggling, really.
;)
I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis of this.
It is very interesting to me to see the way gods change not only over time in church teachings, but through the eyes of each individual talking of 'their' god.

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#128 Mar 29, 2011
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting. Clearly, the religion of the Jews evolved over time, beginning with a multiplicity of different gods-- no different than other ancient superstitious cultures, really.
I wonder when, exactly, they decided to reduce it to just two? A "good" and an "evil" deity?
That was not done until Christianity took hold. And Lucifer in the OT is not the Satan of the NT. It's all so convoluted that even Christian apologists will not touch it.

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#129 Mar 29, 2011
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting. Clearly, the religion of the Jews evolved over time, beginning with a multiplicity of different gods-- no different than other ancient superstitious cultures, really.
I wonder when, exactly, they decided to reduce it to just two? A "good" and an "evil" deity?
In the whole of the OT, God recognizes that there are other Gods for other peoples. He only claims to be the God of the Israelites and tells them not to worship the other Gods.

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#130 Mar 29, 2011
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
The list is simply a list of names people have fabricated for the 'god' concept.
Thus, to be inclusive,'god' would have to be included as well.
Of course-- if I really wanted to be exhaustive?
I would've included:
God
god
G_d
g_d
... each of these different spellings represent a different human-fabricated 'god'.... but I didn't. Maybe I will on the next reprint.
:)
There is a character named Q in Star Trek who is a god.

/memory-alpha.org/wiki/Q

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#131 Mar 29, 2011

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#132 Mar 29, 2011
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>That was not done until Christianity took hold. And Lucifer in the OT is not the Satan of the NT. It's all so convoluted that even Christian apologists will not touch it.
Oh, yes indeed. The oldest writings of Judaism do not contain a specific reference to anti-deity(ies). That theological concept did not appear until after they were exposed to the gods of Babylon.

Of course, by the time christianity was fabricated by Constantine, the anti-god was a firmly established concept.

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#133 Mar 29, 2011
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>In the whole of the OT, God recognizes that there are other Gods for other peoples. He only claims to be the God of the Israelites and tells them not to worship the other Gods.
Exactly. The first "commandment" of the infamous 10 states exactly that-- that there are other gods TO worship.

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#134 Mar 29, 2011
kaitouinu88 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a character named Q in Star Trek who is a god.
/memory-alpha.org/wiki/Q
Pretty sure I include 'Q' or 'Que'... I'll check.

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#135 Mar 29, 2011
kaitouinu88 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a character named Q in Star Trek who is a god.
/memory-alpha.org/wiki/Q
Nope-- I missed that one, I'll put 'Q' in the next list.

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#136 Mar 29, 2011
You forgot Gozer the Traveler.

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#137 Mar 30, 2011
515 gods so far

Page 1 of 2 -- Angdistis to Suzaku

Angdistis
Achelois
Achilles
Aglauros
Ah Puch
Ah Tzenul
Ah Tzul
Ahea
Ahura Mazda
Aigle
Akbul
Alberich
Alicha
Alklha
Allowat Sakima
Almudj
Amalthea
Amaterasu
Amesha Spentas
Amn
Amun Ra
An
Anaitis
Anapel
Anat
Anatiwa
Andai
Andvari
Anet
Angak' Chin Mana
Ankhet
Annona
Anshar
Anu
Aphrodite
Apollo
Apollon
Apsu
Arceus (Pokemon)
Ares
Arnakuagsak
Arsnuphis
Artemis
Asclepius
Ashtoreth
Asshur
Astarte
Atahensic
Atai
Athena
Athene
Athirat
Athtart
Atlas
Atropos
Atum
Atum Ra
Auster
Autrimpas
Awitelin Tsta
Ba Xian
Baal
Bacchus
Balder
Baldur
Bast
Basuki
Bell Bird Brothers
Bellifluficus
Bellona
Bergelmir
Bes
Beydo
Bible God
Big Head
Bilfrost
Bixia Yuanjin
Blodeuedd
Bon Dieu
Borr
Bragi
Brahma
Brigit
Buku
Byakko
Cabracan
Calliope
Camaxtli
Camenae
Cauac
Ceres
Ceridwen
Cernunnos
Cetha
Ceucy
Ch'u Kiang Wang
Ch'uang K'ung
Chac
Chac Xib Chac
Chalchiuhtlicue
Charites
Charun
Cheng-huang
Chloris
Chu Jung
Chu Pa Chieh
Chulyen
Cocijo
Coltus
Coqui Huani
Cotys
Cronus
Cybele
Da Yu
Dagon
Damkina (Dumkina)
Darana
Davlin
Dawn
Demas
Demeter
Di Cang
Dian Cecht
Diana
Dijun
Dionysus
Djanggawul
Dongo
Dreamtime
Dreamtime Snake
Durgath (Klingon)
Dylan
Ea
Echidna
Egle
Ehi
El
Elohim
Endovelicus
Enki
Enlil
Eos
Ephialtes
Epimelides
Epona
Ereshkegal
Ereskigal
Erythia
Eshu
Estasanatlehi
Evus
Farbauti
Feng Shui
Fenrir
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Fornax
Forseti
Fotla
Freya
Freyr
Frigg
FSM
Furude Hanyuu-Higurashi (Higurashi no Naku Koro ni)
Ga Gaah
Gaia
Ganesha
Ganga
Garuda
Gauri
Geb
Gede
Geirskokul
Genbu (Japanese)
Geong Si
Glory, Glorificus,'That Wich Cannot Be Named'(Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
God
God Ch
God E
God G
God S
Gondul
Gozer the Traveler from Ghost Busters
Gucup Cakix
Guede
Gurumukas
Hades
Han Hsien Tzu
Hanuman
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Harakan
Harensnuphis
Haruhi Suzumiya (Haruhiism)
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Heget
Heimdallr
Helios
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Hemere
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Hephaestus
Heqet
Hera
Hermes
Herne
Hero Twins
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Hod
Hoderi
Hodur
Hoori
Hope
Horus
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Hukere
Hun Nal Ye
Hurrican
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Icovellauna
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Illuyankas
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Inti
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Invisible Pink Unicorn
IPU
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Itzamna
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Ix Chup
Ixtab
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Izanami
Jahovah
Jarilo
Jesus
Jiang Qin Guang
Jotunheim Nergal
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Jupiter
Juturna
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Kali
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Ken
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Ki
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Louhi
Lu Ban
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Luna
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Marduk
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Month
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Mot
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Nanse
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Neit
Neith
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Neptune
Nereides
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Nijole
Nik
Ninazu
Nine Worlds
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Nut
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Paiva
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Pan
Parvati
Penie
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Piquete Zina
Ploutos
Po
Porewit
Poros
Poseidon
Q or Que from Star Trek: TNG
Quetzalcoatl
Ra
Radgrid
Rama
Ramakian
Raven
Re
Rhea
Rig
Rindr
Roonikka
Rosmerta
Ruhanga
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Selene
Seshat
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Shu
Si-Wang-Mu
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Sin
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Sol
Sosom
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Sotuknang
Sphinx
Spider Woman
Striges
Styx
SubGenius, J.R. "Bob" Dobbs
Sui Ren
Surya
Susanoh
Suttung
Suzaku (Japanese)

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#138 Mar 30, 2011
515 gods so far

Page 2 of 2 -- T'ao T'ieh to Zhao Xuantan

T'ao T'ieh
Tai Sui Xing
Tamendonare
Tammuz
Taoism
Tartaros
Taru
Taueret
Tawaret
Tawhiri Ma Tea
Tefnut
Tethys
Tezcatlipoca
Thalassa
Thanatos
Thanatus
Theia
Thiassi
Things
Thor
Tiamat
Tiwaz
Tlahuixcalpantec
Tlaloc
Tonatiuh
Toyo-Uke-Bime
Tuatha De Danann
Turan
Tyche
Tyr
Ull
Unktehi
Untunktahe
Utu
Uzume
Valkyrja
Vari
Varpulis
Varuna
Venus
Vesta
Viracocha
Vishnu
Volturnus
Vulcan
Wainamoinen
Wandjina
Wuluwait
Wuraka
Xaman Ek
Xi Wang-mu
Xipe
Xiuhtecuhtli
Xmulzencab
Xochipilli
Xochiquetzal
Xuan Zang
Yam
Yama
Yambe Akka
Yan Luo Wang
Yarikh
Yaweh
Yin
Ymir
Yu Ch'iang
Yu Shun
Yum Kimil
Yun Dun
Zakar
Zemyna
Zephyros
Zeus
Zhao Xuantan

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#139 Apr 2, 2011
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
You forgot Gozer the Traveler.
But NOT Dr. Stantz ...

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#140 Apr 11, 2011
Long list of human beings who have been considered deities by themselves or others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_w...

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#141 Apr 11, 2011
If anyone here is down with maths, this LONG list of deities + long list of human beings who thought they were god demonstrates an interesting hypothesis.

As the number of conceived Gods increases with time, the difference in belief between atheists and theists tends to zero - here is my proof:

1. Most theists believe in one god and lack belief in ALL the others.

2. Atheists lack belief in ALL gods.

Let the total number of Gods conceived = n
& Let the total number of Gods believed in = b

For Theists b = 1
For Atheist b = 0

Lets define the number of gods atheists don't believe in G(A)

G(A)= n - b
G(A)= n - 0 = n

And the number of gods theists don't believe in G(T)

G(T)= n - b
G(T)= n - 1

Define the Difference of Belief factor D(B) as the ratio of lack belief between atheists and theists

D(B)= G(A)/G(T)

So we have:

D(B)= n /(n-1)

As n tends to a large number, D(B) tends to Zero.

For n -> large, D(B)= 0

So really, as theists continue to invent gods and religions to believe in, they are making sure that the total number NOT believed in continues to increase and increase, thereby heading straight towards Atheism!

When we hit large numbers of n, theists will disbelieve 99.9% of gods, while atheists will continue disbelieve 100%!

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#142 Apr 11, 2011
Professor wrote:
There is now plenty of scientific evidence for the reality of life after death.
I can point you to scientific studies conducted by doctors Elizabeth Kubler-Ross "On Life After Death", Michael Sabom "Light and Death", Jeffrey Long "Evidence of the Afterlife", Raymond Moody Jr "The Death and Afterlife Book", Ian Stevenson, Carl Jung, and many many more.
Face it. The atheist philosophy is a dead materialist philosophy that is being debunked daily by scientists who now realize that everything is composed of energy.
http://www.nderf.org/
Checked out the site, so where is the scientific stuff. Only examples of near death experiences. No scientific data at all. Yall are grasping at straws. Find some real, actual doable, repeatable science and then get back to us.

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