Is the Christian God Good or Evil?

Is the Christian God Good or Evil?

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Mr Smartypants

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Apr 23, 2010
I'd go with evil. Consider this:

1. Original sin. For starters, it goes against the whole concept of sin as an act done by your own free will and volition. On top of that, nobody ever consented to be born in the first place--and nobody would ever consent to being born with one foot in Hell already.

2. No sense of proportion. If the only bad thing you did was to steal a candy bar as a kid, you're just as deserving of eternal damnation as Josef Stalin or Adolf Hitler. What sort of skewed sense of justice is that?

3. Never gives credit for good things. If you stole a candy bar as a kid, and made up for it by spending the entire rest of your life building hospitals for lepers, Jehovah is still going to damn you to hell and ignore all the good stuff you did.

4. Absurd expectations. We're finite creatures--expecting us to live a perfectly sin-free life is unrealistic. It's like condemning a round object in the real world for not being a mathematically perfect sphere.

...and, the really big one...

5. Salvation has nothing to do with justice. According to mainstream Christianity, a serial killer could spend his entire life torturing little children to death, repent on his death bed, and get an express ticket to heaven without enduring a single moment's punishment. However, if one of his child victims was over the Age of Accountability and was a non-Christian when they were tortured to death, that kid goes straight to hell.

For these reasons, I consider Christianity to be a horrible religion that has nothing to do with goodness or justice. The Hindu concept of karma seems a zillion times more fair. Heck, being a nihilist is much better than believing in the horrible Cosmic Sadist of Christianity...
nina

Canada

#2 Apr 23, 2010
another vote for evil
Mr Smartypants

Saint Paul, MN

#3 Apr 23, 2010
nina wrote:
another vote for evil
If I did believe in a god, it would be a nice one like J.R.'Bob' Dobbs...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#4 Apr 25, 2010
Evil. Plain and simple.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#5 Apr 26, 2010
Mr Smartypants wrote:
I'd go with evil. Consider this:
1. Original sin. For starters, it goes against the whole concept of sin as an act done by your own free will and volition. On top of that, nobody ever consented to be born in the first place--and nobody would ever consent to being born with one foot in Hell already.
2. No sense of proportion. If the only bad thing you did was to steal a candy bar as a kid, you're just as deserving of eternal damnation as Josef Stalin or Adolf Hitler. What sort of skewed sense of justice is that?
3. Never gives credit for good things. If you stole a candy bar as a kid, and made up for it by spending the entire rest of your life building hospitals for lepers, Jehovah is still going to damn you to hell and ignore all the good stuff you did.
4. Absurd expectations. We're finite creatures--expecting us to live a perfectly sin-free life is unrealistic. It's like condemning a round object in the real world for not being a mathematically perfect sphere.
...and, the really big one...
5. Salvation has nothing to do with justice. According to mainstream Christianity, a serial killer could spend his entire life torturing little children to death, repent on his death bed, and get an express ticket to heaven without enduring a single moment's punishment. However, if one of his child victims was over the Age of Accountability and was a non-Christian when they were tortured to death, that kid goes straight to hell.
For these reasons, I consider Christianity to be a horrible religion that has nothing to do with goodness or justice. The Hindu concept of karma seems a zillion times more fair. Heck, being a nihilist is much better than believing in the horrible Cosmic Sadist of Christianity...
Your post covers it well.
Mr Smartypants

Saint Paul, MN

#6 Apr 26, 2010
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Your post covers it well.
Thanks, Reason!

“No Bishop,No King,No Nobility”

Since: May 08

The Underworld

#7 Apr 26, 2010
Evil. Way evil.

Even by the archaic definition, in that it is clearly the greatest adversary of mankind.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#8 Apr 27, 2010
Evil.

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#9 Apr 27, 2010
On a scale of one (1) to ten (10), where one (1) is the lowest you could sink, and ten (10) being the best possible of possibles:

I'd give it a two (2).

“Church of Latter Day Heathens”

Since: Feb 09

Austin, Tx

#10 Apr 27, 2010
Going by the bible I'd say that is one mean SOB!!! Burn me in a lake of fire forever? I just don't see it.
nina

Ottawa, Canada

#11 Apr 27, 2010
T Leary wrote:
Going by the bible I'd say that is one mean SOB!!! Burn me in a lake of fire forever? I just don't see it.
I can only conclude that immortality makes you

cranky
sadistic
forgetful

or all three

“Church of Latter Day Heathens”

Since: Feb 09

Austin, Tx

#12 Apr 27, 2010
nina wrote:
<quoted text>
I can only conclude that immortality makes you
cranky
sadistic
forgetful
or all three
I would say all three.

I also wonder why god would not create a being he could really relate to instead of us humans. It's like I would rather have human friends than an ant farm of friends.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#13 Apr 27, 2010
T Leary wrote:
<quoted text>
I would say all three.
I also wonder why god would not create a being he could really relate to instead of us humans. It's like I would rather have human friends than an ant farm of friends.
Actually? Using the bible, we see he DID.

Satan.

Clearly, Satan is the smarter of the christian pantheon of gods.

For Satan is the only character that tells the unvarnished truth...

:ROFL:

Yaweh/Jesus? Liars, the both of'em.

Then, there's the girl-child rapist Holy Spook; you don't hear much from him, aside from the rape, of course.
redneck

Glendale, OR

#14 Apr 27, 2010
not good, not evil,not there....it's the people who are good or evil.

“Church of Latter Day Heathens”

Since: Feb 09

Austin, Tx

#15 Apr 27, 2010
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually? Using the bible, we see he DID.
Satan.
Clearly, Satan is the smarter of the christian pantheon of gods.
For Satan is the only character that tells the unvarnished truth...
:ROFL:
Yaweh/Jesus? Liars, the both of'em.
Then, there's the girl-child rapist Holy Spook; you don't hear much from him, aside from the rape, of course.
Yeah, I always imagine god asking Mary "Want to you know, get it on?"

Mary responds "No f off"

God "I'm god I'll do what I want. Now take off that shaw!!!"

lol

Man I do love your posts. You are one of the few that when I see you have posted I go to it. I pretty much agree with, oh say, 99.9% of what you say. Good old straight talk.
Mr Smartypants

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Apr 27, 2010
I always wondered why it was a sin to eat of the Tree of Knowledge in the first place or why Lucifer--the 'light-bearer'--was the bad guy. Why does the Mighty Oz make gullibility and blind trust such great virtues? Is it because he wants his dumb flockers to not think there's a connection between the Mighty Oz and the clergyman hiding behind the curtain?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#17 Apr 27, 2010
Mr Smartypants wrote:
I always wondered why it was a sin to eat of the Tree of Knowledge in the first place or why Lucifer--the 'light-bearer'--was the bad guy. Why does the Mighty Oz make gullibility and blind trust such great virtues? Is it because he wants his dumb flockers to not think there's a connection between the Mighty Oz and the clergyman hiding behind the curtain?
Indeed:**especially** if the clergyman has his pecker out, trolling for little children....

...according to Gawd's Spokes-weenie in Chief?(pope) God is more concerned about the church's survival than the fates of a few (probably misbehaving anyway) little boys...

<gag>
Mr Smartypants

Saint Paul, MN

#18 Apr 27, 2010
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed:**especially** if the clergyman has his pecker out, trolling for little children....
...according to Gawd's Spokes-weenie in Chief?(pope) God is more concerned about the church's survival than the fates of a few (probably misbehaving anyway) little boys...
<gag>
In the interests of ecumenism, I'd like to point out that Protestant denominations are as equally sexually abusive. David Koresh was sticking it to his female parishioners, and Mormons like Brigham Young and Joseph Smith were basically dirty old men who weren't content with marrying just one jailbait woman, but had to have dozens of wives. Thy rod and thy staff, indeed...
nina

Ottawa, Canada

#19 Apr 28, 2010
redneck wrote:
not good, not evil,not there....it's the people who are good or evil.
everyone thinks that they are good

it's history that determines if they were really evil

but that's usually only if they lose
Epicurus

Winter Park, FL

#20 Apr 29, 2010
Mr Smartypants wrote:
I'd go with evil. Consider this:
1. Original sin. For starters, it goes against the whole concept of sin as an act done by your own free will and volition. On top of that, nobody ever consented to be born in the first place--and nobody would ever consent to being born with one foot in Hell already.
2. No sense of proportion. If the only bad thing you did was to steal a candy bar as a kid, you're just as deserving of eternal damnation as Josef Stalin or Adolf Hitler. What sort of skewed sense of justice is that?
3. Never gives credit for good things. If you stole a candy bar as a kid, and made up for it by spending the entire rest of your life building hospitals for lepers, Jehovah is still going to damn you to hell and ignore all the good stuff you did.
4. Absurd expectations. We're finite creatures--expecting us to live a perfectly sin-free life is unrealistic. It's like condemning a round object in the real world for not being a mathematically perfect sphere.
...and, the really big one...
5. Salvation has nothing to do with justice. According to mainstream Christianity, a serial killer could spend his entire life torturing little children to death, repent on his death bed, and get an express ticket to heaven without enduring a single moment's punishment. However, if one of his child victims was over the Age of Accountability and was a non-Christian when they were tortured to death, that kid goes straight to hell.
For these reasons, I consider Christianity to be a horrible religion that has nothing to do with goodness or justice. The Hindu concept of karma seems a zillion times more fair. Heck, being a nihilist is much better than believing in the horrible Cosmic Sadist of Christianity...
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