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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

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It took a human mind to develope the 'observing' devise. Also, it has been found that future events can affect past events. A future human 'observer' of the results may have affected the out come of the experiment.
Wow... just... wow. You literally have to twist actual reality, to force-fit it into your delusions.

That is ... pathetic.

Seriously.

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When there is a real challenge to their faith atheists resort to spam.
Really?

Show is this ... "challenge".... seriously.

If you have one? Let's SEE it.

Is it an article about your child-raping priesthood, perhaps?

Or is it an article that lies about how old your Tissue of Turin really is? We all know it's no older than about 800 years or less-- yet you like to LIE about it, don't you?

Is THAT the "challenge" you mean?

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Skepticism seem a sound philosophy for those who are searching for truth.

May providence save us from those who pretend "know it all"
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I believe in me! Paul
I believe in gravity, I do not have faith in it.
I believe I will lose at the slot machine. I hope not but have zero faith in the slot machine
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fai...

2b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust

3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially: a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>

You protest to loudly.

Your creed is what you believe, have faith, in. It is not universally accepted; it does not come from nature. There are many societies, governments that do not hold to your creed.

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fai...
2b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust
3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially: a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>
You protest to loudly.
Your creed is what you believe, have faith, in. It is not universally accepted; it does not come from nature. There are many societies, governments that do not hold to your creed.
"does not come from nature"....?
LOL!

You lying sack of ignorant puss--

--- ALL the ethics created by humanity, ultimately comes from our INSTINCTS for COOPERATION.

That is >>exactly<< from nature....!

You are an idiot.

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At this point in time it looks like the 'multiverse' is the god of the gaps for some physicists. Is there any evidence for a ‘multiverse’? Any argument based on a 'multiverse' is mere speculation. How can a theory about the 'multiverse' be falsified?
Once again, YOU were the one that brought up the whole concept of Boltzmann Brains. The *only* context in which they are being discussed by modern physicists is in the context of multiverses.

When quantum mechanics (which we know works) is taken seriously, it inevitably leads to the concept of a multiverse. This is particularly true for any quantum theory of gravity like string theory. It is in *that* context that Boltzmann Brains are considered. Furthermore, they are regarded as faults in any theory that predicts them in abundance.

Unlike your theory of the existence of a deity, quantum mechanics does make predictions that can be verified by actual observations.

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It took a human mind to develope the 'observing' devise. Also, it has been found that future events can affect past events. A future human 'observer' of the results may have affected the out come of the experiment.
And it does not have to be a *human* observer. It only has to be an apparatus that is irreversible.

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Can a human 'observe' anything at the quantum level? Is it not all done through instrumentation that extends human 'observation' to the quantum level?
And the whole point is that any 'collapse' or decoherence happens *way* before any human consciousness is involved.

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Also, it has been found that future events can affect past events.
I just want to point out that this is yet another popular, but misleading statement about quantum mechanics. What really happens is NOT that future events affect past events. This is a common statement in popular articles. Instead, what happens is that quantum particles do not have definite properties before decoherence. In certain experiments, it is the observation that decoheres the situation and that can make it *look* like the past was affected (because you think the particle had a definite property in the past). It is only if you insist on thinking of particles having classical paths (like in quantum erasers) or definite properties (as in your 'future affecting the past') that you get strange results.
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Once again, YOU were the one that brought up the whole concept of Boltzmann Brains. The *only* context in which they are being discussed by modern physicists is in the context of multiverses.
When quantum mechanics (which we know works) is taken seriously, it inevitably leads to the concept of a multiverse. This is particularly true for any quantum theory of gravity like string theory. It is in *that* context that Boltzmann Brains are considered. Furthermore, they are regarded as faults in any theory that predicts them in abundance.
Unlike your theory of the existence of a deity, quantum mechanics does make predictions that can be verified by actual observations.
What evidence is there for a multiverse? It is used by science to try an explain the improbability of human existence as pointed out by the Boltzmann Brain Paradox.
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And it does not have to be a *human* observer. It only has to be an apparatus that is irreversible.
It took a human observer to make the measuring instrument and observing the results. Without a human there would be no wave function collaspe in the experiment.
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And the whole point is that any 'collapse' or decoherence happens *way* before any human consciousness is involved.
It has been demonstrated that at the quantum level "future events" can affect past events. That is, future observations can collapse a wave function in the past.

" http://www.omg-facts.com/Science/Events-In-Th... ;

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It took a human observer to make the measuring instrument and observing the results. Without a human there would be no wave function collaspe in the experiment.
You still have not explained why you keep giving money, to a KNOWN PEDOPHILE ORGANIZATION.

Why?
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It has been demonstrated that at the quantum level "future events" can affect past events. That is, future observations can collapse a wave function in the past.
" http://www.omg-facts.com/Science/Events-In-Th... ;
Food for thought Paul?

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/200...

Shalom, Allah willing...

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"And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire"--Ezekiel 23:25

Joe Smith provides hope for the future...

This people ... shall become a dark, a filthy, and a loathsome people ... because of their unbelief and idolatry.--Mormon 5:15
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Food for thought Paul?
http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/200...
Shalom, Allah willing...
Yahweh Remains angry currently attending anger management class with Zeus
"And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire"--Ezekiel 23:25
Joe Smith provides hope for the future...
This people ... shall become a dark, a filthy, and a loathsome people ... because of their unbelief and idolatry.--Mormon 5:15
Joe Smith was right, when you look at how babies were being murdered by the abortion doctor and staffs at a Philadelphia clinic, the spinal cords of living babies were severed, and there is no public outrage.
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Joe Smith was right, when you look at how babies were being murdered by the abortion doctor and staffs at a Philadelphia clinic, the spinal cords of living babies were severed, and there is no public outrage.
Abortion is a sticky wicket Paul

I have mixed feelings on this issue

Public outrage - surely you jest

No outrage whatever at two illegal wars
No outrage at the financial meltdown in 2008
No outrage about missing WMD's
No outrage on honor killing
No outrage on unchecked Pedophilia in the Catholic Church

There was outrage over a minor sexual incident with Bill Clinton, Which to Europeans was hilarious.

Have you gone to mass today?I just got back from my complimentary continental breakfast of unleavened bread and wine at the local parish
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Of course this took five trips down the rail
I explained to father, I had sinned mercilessly on topix, he smiled and doubled my portion.
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Abortion is a sticky wicket Paul
I have mixed feelings on this issue
Public outrage - surely you jest
No outrage whatever at two illegal wars
No outrage at the financial meltdown in 2008
No outrage about missing WMD's
No outrage on honor killing
No outrage on unchecked Pedophilia in the Catholic Church
There was outrage over a minor sexual incident with Bill Clinton, Which to Europeans was hilarious.
Have you gone to mass today?I just got back from my complimentary continental breakfast of unleavened bread and wine at the local parish
Joe Smith was right.

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What evidence is there for a multiverse? It is used by science to try an explain the improbability of human existence as pointed out by the Boltzmann Brain Paradox.
No, you don't get it. The Boltzmann brain paradox *comes* from an investigation of the possibility of a multiverse. To even discuss Bolzmann brains depends on 'eternal inflation' which is a characteristic of the multiverse and NOT of our universe.

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It took a human observer to make the measuring instrument and observing the results. Without a human there would be no wave function collaspe in the experiment.
Wrong. The 'collapse'(actually decoherence) happened way before any human looked at the results. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT.

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