“Think&Care”

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#187 Apr 28, 2013
Sorry, the previous was a *criticism* of the actual article:

http://download.cell.com/trends/cognitive-sci...

Make up your own mind.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#188 Apr 28, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
I don't follow people, but God. The whole world can go astray but I will stay faithful to my God and Creator. The Catholic Church was instituted by God and she contains the treasure of faith given us by God. I will not be judged on what others have done but only on what I have done or not done.
What do you think of THIS?

It says 70% of the US Catholics do not agree with His Pope-ums!

SEVENTY PERCENT are willing to DEFY your pope!

Wow... that's amazing!

" http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/28/us-... ;
Kentucky woman ordained as priest in defiance of Roman Catholic Church

(Reuters)- In an emotional ceremony filled with tears and applause, a 70-year-old Kentucky woman was ordained a priest on Saturday as part of a dissident group operating outside of official Roman Catholic Church authority.

...

The ordination of women as priests, along with the issues of married priests and birth control, represents one of the big divides between U.S. Catholics and the Vatican hierarchy. Seventy percent of U.S. Catholics believe that women should be allowed to be priests, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll earlier this year.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#189 Apr 28, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Islam, just like Christianity, claims to be a religion of peace. They both lie.
Without a doubt.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#190 Apr 28, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do people persist in belief even after the foundations for it have been discredited? Another case in point is Mormonism. Quite some time ago--decades?--the founding documents were shown beyond any reasonable doubt to be fraudulent, fabricated by its equally fraudulent founders. When this came out, I expected to see a mass exodus from that faith. None came. No river, not even a trickle. Mormonism continued to grow at a pace surpassing most other faiths.
PaulWV has helped me to understand this puzzling phenomenon. His stubborn insistence on believing in "miracles" that had been thoroughly discredited and defending them with timeworn fallacies and deliberate misrepresentations of genuine research made it clear that lifelong faith creates a psychological state that, while hard to fathom, is nonetheless very real. It's a view of the world through faith colored glasses and inhibited by intellectual blinders. Their self-imposed "otherness" presents an impossible barrier to real communication. It's as though they speak a different language, but one with the same words and grammatical structures, but with different definitions scattered throughout the lexicon.
It is passing strange. Stranger still is that while the size of the blinders varies along with the tinge of the lenses, at least half of the general population seems to wear similar glasses, which makes those who have cast them aside look like the weird ones.
It is mind boggling.

But it is why I sometimes say religion is a mental disease.

And that education is the only certain cure.

It appears with sufficient education and exposure to cultures different than one's own? The barrier can be broken down.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#191 Apr 28, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
Sorry, the previous was a *criticism* of the actual article:
http://download.cell.com/trends/cognitive-sci...
Make up your own mind.
The other link discredits this link for the researchers’ lack of objectivity, but only selecting those observations that support their pet theory.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#192 Apr 28, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
Sorry, the previous was a *criticism* of the actual article:
http://download.cell.com/trends/cognitive-sci...
Make up your own mind.
As I said previously, there is growing evidence consciousness is independent of the brain. More research is needed in this area. It is reported people in centrifuges experience such states of consciousness as is reported in NDE. It may be under such circumstance consciousness can be separated from the brain.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#193 Apr 28, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
It is mind boggling.
But it is why I sometimes say religion is a mental disease.
And that education is the only certain cure.
It appears with sufficient education and exposure to cultures different than one's own? The barrier can be broken down.
I think calling religious faith a mental disease is counterproductive and probably inaccurate. It could better be described as a condition or a range of conditions characterized by the interpretion of all perception so as be consistent with one's belief structure, making it impervious in the minds to contradictory reality. Cognitive dissonance? Confirmation bias? Call it what you will, it arrises from defensiveness, and antagonizing others in such a way as to increase that defensiveness makes meaningful dialogue all but impossible.

In another post, I applied Eric Berne's principles of transactional analysis to this forum, pointing out that the only "winning" strategy for anyone (or any group) is for the tone of each post to be relentlessly adult, i.e., designed to evoke equally adult responses from its reader. Currently the most common tone more resembles those of squabbling adolescents, i.e., the rebellious child in Berne's lexicon. Other posts take on the tone of the authoritarian parent, which only exacerbates that rebellion in the form of petulance.

So few of us write as patient and understanding equals, and I suspect that few of us feel like equals. But we are. None of us are superior of inferior to others writing here--the anonymity of the forum obviates against that. Regardless of our places in the real world, here we meet as equals, and if we can avoid bringing in insecurities or arrogance in with us, we can have conversations not possible outside of the forum. Why waste such a magnificent opportunity?

So before hitting the button to post, we each might ask, What is the tone of my post? Will it evoke emotions that make it harder to accept my ideas? Am I speaking as one equal to others?

Questions like these make for much better writing.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#194 Apr 28, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
As I said previously, there is growing evidence consciousness is independent of the brain.
Really? Would that be the same "evidence" that you used to "prove" the Shroud of Turin was really a magical Jesus dress?

LMAO!

(entirely made up-- just like your shroud)
Paul WV wrote:
More research is needed in this area.
What "research"? Would that be the wishful thinking you engage in, wishing your god into reality?

LMAO!

Maybe you could pray some more?
Paul WV wrote:
It is reported people in centrifuges experience such states of consciousness as is reported in NDE. It may be under such circumstance consciousness can be separated from the brain.
Boooogus.

You just can't help making up sh7t, can you?

LOL!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#195 Apr 28, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>I think calling religious faith a mental disease is counterproductive and probably inaccurate. It could better be described as a condition or a range of conditions characterized by the interpretion of all perception so as be consistent with one's belief structure, making it impervious in the minds to contradictory reality. Cognitive dissonance? Confirmation bias? Call it what you will, it arrises from defensiveness, and antagonizing others in such a way as to increase that defensiveness makes meaningful dialogue all but impossible.
It >>is<< impossible. The only cure can come from within--(almost) never from without.

I see no reason to sugar-coat it; being nice, being mean? It makes zero difference in the final analysis, as far as I've seen.

But, people who've already made the move away from theism, and are on the tipping point? Being sarcastic might just be the extra push they need to give up godbottery.
Lincoln

United States

#196 Apr 28, 2013
Google "Atheism as a Mental Disorder"

Atheism is a mental illness because it is nothing more than a cry for attention. The truth is atheism is a false idea because it is based on the false premise that orderliness does not require intelligent direction.

Every argument with an atheist ends with this point. They can not overcome this one point, no matter how hard they try. I sometimes like visiting the James Randi Educational Foundation website just to duel with atheists. The JREF website is absolutely full of atheists from America, Canada, the UK, and other countries.

Most of these atheists are extremely intelligent people, highly educated, and passionate about being an atheist, denying the existence of God, and viciously ridiculing folks like me who challenge their false belief.

In reality, most of these people, claiming to be atheists, are really simply protesting against organized religion. I can understand their feelings of resentment and hostility towards organized religion because organized religion has been responsible for so much pain and suffering for so long....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#197 Apr 28, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
So before hitting the button to post, we each might ask, What is the tone of my post? Will it evoke emotions that make it harder to accept my ideas? Am I speaking as one equal to others?
Questions like these make for much better writing.
Yes, you are correct. But you presume that we are all here to be convincing, or to change people's minds.

To me? That's only secondary-- a bit of accidental serendipity, if you will.

I'm here to socialize primarily, to have Interesting-with-a-capital-I conversations, and barring those two?

I poke fun of people who have come here to proselytize-- it >>is<< an atheist forum after all, and the >>only<< reason a god-botherer would come here, would be to try to get another Jesus-Cross™ stamped on his bible. I figure they are fair game to any and all that they receive.

For the majority of atheists here, seem to either have been raised as theists, or have examined the theist argument and found it entirely false.

So there is no "fertile ground" for proselytizing godbots.
Imhotep

United States

#198 Apr 28, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
It >>is<< impossible. The only cure can come from within--(almost) never from without.
I see no reason to sugar-coat it; being nice, being mean? It makes zero difference in the final analysis, as far as I've seen.
But, people who've already made the move away from theism, and are on the tipping point? Being sarcastic might just be the extra push they need to give up godbottery.
"What me worry?"
AENewnam

Unlike many in these atheist forums I was never brought up in the belief my parents were nonbelievers.

This puts an entirely different outlook on these discussions.

Frankly I have no sympathy for these people why should I?

They remain willfully ignorant in the information age.

Permanently stuck on God did it.
Hey God so weak that he needs excuses excuses need to be made it all times.

Utter rubbish

Be kind to these cretins?
i love sarcasm and this is the perfect forum to use it.

Besides that is highly entertaining for me!

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#199 Apr 28, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
It >>is<< impossible. The only cure can come from within--(almost) never from without.
I see no reason to sugar-coat it; being nice, being mean? It makes zero difference in the final analysis, as far as I've seen.
But, people who've already made the move away from theism, and are on the tipping point? Being sarcastic might just be the extra push they need to give up godbottery.
You may be right, and it may also be useful and healthy for the regulars her to write from a wide range of attitudes and points of view. But I can dream...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#201 Apr 28, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
"What me worry?"
AENewnam
Unlike many in these atheist forums I was never brought up in the belief my parents were nonbelievers.
This puts an entirely different outlook on these discussions.
Frankly I have no sympathy for these people why should I?
They remain willfully ignorant in the information age.
Permanently stuck on God did it.
Hey God so weak that he needs excuses excuses need to be made it all times.
Utter rubbish
Be kind to these cretins?
i love sarcasm and this is the perfect forum to use it.
Besides that is highly entertaining for me!
I do find a certain carthisis in poking a virtual stick at the ugly godbot's horrid beliefs.

If their beliefs were not so horridly bigoted?

I'd not be such a smartazz at them-- indeed, I have had some interesting discussions with Wiccians here and there, without me resorting to any fun-poking of their "woodsy spirituality".

Mainly because they never try to force me to comply with their beliefs.

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#202 Apr 28, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
You may be right, and it may also be useful and healthy for the regulars her to write from a wide range of attitudes and points of view. But I can dream...
You are who you are-- and I would hesitate to criticize that in any way.

I suspect you are basically a nicer person that I, when it comes to discussions with theists.

And I can respect that; seriously.

But I'm just not that nice, to people who embrace beliefs that are so very hurtful to other folk.

I have known gay people in my life, who were miserable because of the persecution of True Believers™. That is horrid to me. I've also known Jewish peers, who took great care to hide their Jewish heritage, to avoid being treated as a pariah or worse, again by True Believers™.

The worst of it? Many of these people were not intentionally being mean or cruel-- they simply went about their callous attitude, which was judgmental, without a second's thought.

They literally did not see the consequences of how they acted.

All because of an ancient ugly book of superstition...

Does that make me a bit upset?

Yeah... yeah it does.

But I try not to let it get to me anyhow.

:D

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#203 Apr 28, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
You may be right, and it may also be useful and healthy for the regulars her to write from a wide range of attitudes and points of view. But I can dream...
The short version?

I think we need all sorts of people-- thoughtful, nice folk such as yourself.

And acerbic folk such as me-- or even extremists such as Skeptic or N*ggin.

The world is a big place-- and who knows which barb will be the one which tips the can over?

:)

There's room enough for each approach, I think.
Imhotep

United States

#204 Apr 28, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Google "Atheism as a Mental Disorder"
Atheism is a mental illness because it is nothing more than a cry for attention. The truth is atheism is a false idea because it is based on the false premise that orderliness does not require intelligent direction.
Every argument with an atheist ends with this point. They can not overcome this one point, no matter how hard they try. I sometimes like visiting the James Randi Educational Foundation website just to duel with atheists. The JREF website is absolutely full of atheists from America, Canada, the UK, and other countries.
Most of these atheists are extremely intelligent people, highly educated, and passionate about being an atheist, denying the existence of God, and viciously ridiculing folks like me who challenge their false belief.
In reality, most of these people, claiming to be atheists, are really simply protesting against organized religion. I can understand their feelings of resentment and hostility towards organized religion because organized religion has been responsible for so much pain and suffering for so long....
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/cw/post.php...

Conservatives worry Obama will classify Christianity as mental illness

http://www.examiner.com/article/conservatives...

Religion is Mental Illness

http://articles.exchristian.net/2003/04/relig...

;)

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#205 Apr 28, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
Does your disbelief make God no longer exist?
No longer? It existed? When, where? You do have some proof, of course?

but to answer your question .....

No more than your belief can make it, or any god-myth exist? And, until you can pull some proof out of that myth-god hat, it remains a silly and outdated tale.

Imagine all those Pagan, tribal and native god concepts (magic, cannibalism, zombies, vampires, giants) melded into a single god's book of myths. And you loons fall for it. Wow. LOL!
Lincoln

United States

#206 Apr 28, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/cw/post.php...
Conservatives worry Obama will classify Christianity as mental illness
http://www.examiner.com rticle/conservatives-worry-oba ma-will-classifyhristianity-as -mental-illness
Religion is Mental Illness
http://articles.exchristian.net/2003/04/relig...
;)
Conservatives lost the election with 47% of the Vote.

Good conservatives lost, Ayn Rand type of atheists?

"Scratch an atheist
and out pops an agnostic"
seems a valid adage of old.
Lincoln

United States

#207 Apr 28, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>No longer? It existed? When, where? You do have some proof, of course?
but to answer your question .....
No more than your belief can make it, or any god-myth exist? And, until you can pull some proof out of that myth-god hat, it remains a silly and outdated tale.
Imagine all those Pagan, tribal and native god concepts (magic, cannibalism, zombies, vampires, giants) melded into a single god's book of myths. And you loons fall for it. Wow. LOL!
Epistemology questions what knowledge is, how it is acquired, and the possible extent to which a given subject or entity can be known. Know-it-alls reject limitation on their knowledge? Is this a problem?

People often have faith that something will be proved in the future.

The "smartest atheist in the room" is often amusing.

Thinking people often have doubts of their own ideas,

atheist drama queens seldom doubt their thoughts.

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