god versus the debbil...

god versus the debbil...

There are 5 comments on the Your Democracy story from May 11, 2014, titled god versus the debbil.... In it, Your Democracy reports that:

The New Atheist movement that developed from the mid-naughties around the self-styled "four horsemen of the apocalypse" - Hitchens, Dennett, Harris and Dawkins - had a tremendous public impact.

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“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#1 May 11, 2014
I almost didn't read this article because of its insipid headline. I'm glad I did. Gus Leonisky's approach to religion is much like my own. He sees nothing remarkable in disbelief, nor does he see it as a accomplishment or a commitment. It's only worth mentioning at all in the face of the criticism that results and sometimes (rarely in modern America, I'm happy to say) escalates into tangible persecution.

Like me, he sees the New Atheism as an effort to promote unity and conformity among atheists. But nonbelief in deities is simply that and does not necessarily correlate with other points of view, much less cause them.

I see the apathy that he describes setting into this forum. The pace of posting has diminished considerably, and I don't think that's because any of us have changed their minds or died. I think it's because many of us have completed the process that this forum facilitates. Once we have let go of belief, we have to explain an explore it, and dialogues both with other believers and with the antiatheists who converge to discourage, disparage, and attempt to dissuade us assist in that process.

I expect that the pace will pick up again as new atheists enter the forum to work through the transition that begins with the new awareness that their old beliefs can't hold up to logical scrutiny. I wish them all well, and I will be around to help for a while longer. But I've left this forum for long spells before, and I foresee a more permanent departure at some point.

In the mean time, I encourage fellow skeptics to read this article. It articulates points that are worthy of consideration
nihil

Knoxville, TN

#2 May 11, 2014
there's that apathy again. see it all over the place. not a bad thing. at least not abut religion.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#4 May 13, 2014
Thinking wrote:
I ended up on these forums because some article full of untruths about Evolution linked to Topix.
I couldn't believe how dumb some religitards can be but I've come to the following: they can believe stupid stuff if they want so long as I don't have to respect their idiocy one iota. But when they impinge on humanist values, then intervention should be expected.
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I agree 150%. They can believe in the Tooth Fairy if they want too, but it because a issue if they wanna teach the Tooth Fairy as fact in our schools and if they declare that the Fairy is a despotic tyrant and that her will is good for us.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#6 May 13, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Those bastards used the bible to "justify" segregating seating on buses in the bible belt.
I'm really glad I turned down offers to move there.
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The kings and queens of old used to use the bible to force people to obey their tyranny and then they used the bible to say that they could only be judged by God alone to say that they were above the law.
Too bad God does not believe in a constitution.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#7 May 14, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
I almost didn't read this article because of its insipid headline. I'm glad I did. Gus Leonisky's approach to religion is much like my own. He sees nothing remarkable in disbelief, nor does he see it as a accomplishment or a commitment. It's only worth mentioning at all in the face of the criticism that results and sometimes (rarely in modern America, I'm happy to say) escalates into tangible persecution.
Like me, he sees the New Atheism as an effort to promote unity and conformity among atheists. But nonbelief in deities is simply that and does not necessarily correlate with other points of view, much less cause them.
I see the apathy that he describes setting into this forum. The pace of posting has diminished considerably, and I don't think that's because any of us have changed their minds or died. I think it's because many of us have completed the process that this forum facilitates. Once we have let go of belief, we have to explain an explore it, and dialogues both with other believers and with the antiatheists who converge to discourage, disparage, and attempt to dissuade us assist in that process.
I expect that the pace will pick up again as new atheists enter the forum to work through the transition that begins with the new awareness that their old beliefs can't hold up to logical scrutiny. I wish them all well, and I will be around to help for a while longer. But I've left this forum for long spells before, and I foresee a more permanent departure at some point.
In the mean time, I encourage fellow skeptics to read this article. It articulates points that are worthy of consideration
In my case, the decline in enthusiasm for posting is the product of several things at once. For one thing, I have a relatively new job, and the pace here is much faster. I still take a break to look at the forum from time to time, but not with the frequency I did at my old job.

There's also a bit of boredom creeping in. While the actual participants change, the arguments made by the theists tend to be similar and predictable. I often feel like I am replying to the same things I was replying to 2 years ago. Hard to get excited when the forum seems like Groundhog Day.

I also get a sense that many (but not all) of the theists here have zero interest in real debate. They are here to post their talking points, with no thought given to the reply. Whatever your response, they just repeat the same talking points. Having a dialogue with such folks is much like attempting a dialogue with a wooden post. I reply less and less to folks in this group, and I am more inclined to respond with an idle jab than a serious, thought out response.

I doubt I will go away entirely, at least for the foreseeable future, but I definitely don't get the same return on investment for the time spent here that I once did.

I'm not a new atheist. I am in my late 50's and really gave up on belief in god by my mid teens. I am not so much working through a transition as looking for opportunities to sharpen my thinking. Some things that I just felt at a visceral level make more sense to me after I have had to confront contradiction and articulate those visceral feelings as more rational positions. That's an important process, but if you keep encountering the same positions, statements, etc. from the opposition, you stop growing and the process just stops. Kind of like lifting weights. As you build more strength, you need to lift more weight to continue to grow. If you just stay with the same weight, you make no more progress.

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