Saddam Hussein was an ATHEIST!

Saddam Hussein was an ATHEIST!

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hmm

Seattle, WA

#1 Mar 7, 2009
He was leader of the Atheist Ba'ath party in Iraq.

There you have it an ATHEIST who mass murdered millions of people.

Oh yea, lets not forget Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao.

Name your ATHEIST Mass murderers.
121tyg

Thomasville, NC

#2 Mar 7, 2009
hmm wrote:
He was leader of the Atheist Ba'ath party in Iraq.
There you have it an ATHEIST who mass murdered millions of people.
Oh yea, lets not forget Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao.
Name your ATHEIST Mass murderers.
Any sources to back up your claims?
nina

Canada

#3 Mar 7, 2009
hmm wrote:
He was leader of the Atheist Ba'ath party in Iraq.
There you have it an ATHEIST who mass murdered millions of people.
Oh yea, lets not forget Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao.
Name your ATHEIST Mass murderers.
that he was a secular person and mass murderer says nothing about other free thinkers, athiests, secularist and humanists

he was not the leader in a secular democratic country, he was a dictator of a pretend democratic country.

the elections in Iran had numbered ballots that may as well have had your name pre-printed on them

and only one candidate to chose

that's not a democracy

any person who is a dictator is pretty much going to end up being a mass murder, it's happened pretty much every time

replacing god with yourself is not atheism
hmm

Seattle, WA

#4 Mar 7, 2009
121tyg wrote:
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Any sources to back up your claims?
I have first hand personal testimonies from 100s of Iraqis who witnessed brutality you can't even imagine.

For instance, this one Iraqi fellow told me about how he was beaten to a bloody pulp for reading the Koran on the bus. He asked the police "why they were arresting him", They replied "Saddam doesn't like religion and that they should only follow him and noone or thing else". It is widely known that Saddam despised religion and called it a fantasy. Sounds like some of the same things I've read on this forum and heard from atheists.
hmm

Seattle, WA

#5 Mar 7, 2009
nina wrote:
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that he was a secular person and mass murderer says nothing about other free thinkers, athiests, secularist and humanists
he was not the leader in a secular democratic country, he was a dictator of a pretend democratic country.
the elections in Iran had numbered ballots that may as well have had your name pre-printed on them
and only one candidate to chose
that's not a democracy
any person who is a dictator is pretty much going to end up being a mass murder, it's happened pretty much every time
replacing god with yourself is not atheism
Well the same thing can be said about Muslims. Lets take your statement here and see how you as an atheist think you have every right to attack PEOPLE NOT IDEAS but People because eventually that is what you ATheists intend to do. If given the power, I know you Atheists would call for the genocide of every religious person or theist or believer of anything that is roughly 5.999 billion people!

"that OsamaBinLaden is a Muslim(Theist) and mass murderer says nothing about other Muslims, Christians, Theists, Followers of Religions. "

You see how weak your logic is when you or other atheists are attacking PEOPLE and NOT even Ideas!

Most of you atheists use Ad Hominems! The use of Ad Hominems doesn't make your statements or claims any more logical but infact is counterproductive in logic. Now in debates where you are scoring points, great use it. But in Philosophy it is all a fallacy!

Atheism is hardly a logical doctrine let alone something to categorize yourself.
nina

Canada

#6 Mar 7, 2009
hmm wrote:
He was leader of the Atheist Ba'ath party in Iraq.
There you have it an ATHEIST who mass murdered millions of people.
Oh yea, lets not forget Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao.
Name your ATHEIST Mass murderers.
no one has ever killed for the atheist position of no evidence, no reason to beleive in god.

Political leaders, well dictators really, have created death squads to kill people who were a threat to their dictatorships, yes - and that has no connection to atheism nor any bearing on any other atheists.

Now, religion, on the other hand has a number of crusades, inquisitions and witch hunts throughout history

and into modern day, we have religiously motivated terrorism, suicide bombers, shooters of abortion doctors, clinic bombings and civil rights terrorism (aka opposition/rollback of gay rights particularly marriage)

and this does exactly have a connection to the average religious persons in the christian and islamic faiths in particular, as they either participate in the extremism, provide the extremism with cash or political support, and failure to denounce the actions of extremists

religion is the foundation of intolerance
nina

Canada

#7 Mar 7, 2009
hmm wrote:
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...I know you Atheists would call for the genocide of every religious person or theist or believer of anything .....
no, I would absolutely not call for the genocide of any people for any reason

genocide is a religious and racist driven agenda

it is not an atheist agenda

I cant imagine on what fantasy basis you can know such a thing
hmm

Seattle, WA

#8 Mar 7, 2009
nina wrote:
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no, I would absolutely not call for the genocide of any people for any reason
genocide is a religious and racist driven agenda
it is not an atheist agenda
I cant imagine on what fantasy basis you can know such a thing
Are you saying "Atheist" hominids are somehow less likely to commit genocide than a "Theist" hominid?

If so, then your claim is utterly stupid and easily disproved by the existence of Atheists who mass murdered people not because of fear of a threat to their power but because they didn't want religion ie Joseph Stalin and PolPot.

Now you want to attach "religion" to the hominid but for some reason you like to excuse the genocide of Stalin because "the reason he did was fear of loss of his power" yet his reasons were many things, of which one was religion or his hatred of religion similar to you nina.

SO my basis is not on what past atheists did, but what I know about human nature. So an Atheist ruled world, which I think the world has always been atheist. Top officials are atheists including the religious leaders you despise.

You guessed, Ayatollah Khomeini = Atheist, even though I know it can't be proven right now, but it will come out.

At the end of the day, if you are an atheist, its ok, just don't turn into a Theist-hating idiot.
hmm

Seattle, WA

#9 Mar 7, 2009
so nina simply speaking:

Theist and Massmurderer are as interchangeable as Atheist and Massmurderer!

Both are Hominids with Hominid natures.

nina, you have as much capacity to commit crimes against humanity as a theist. So save me the trouble for the reason you would do it..and somehow don't even waste my time with trying to justify your future crimes against humanity.

Atheists' Stuff Stinks just like everyone elses there is nothing special about yourselves and plus you lot already believe you are not worth the dirt you walk on, so please behave like the dirt!
hmm

Seattle, WA

#10 Mar 7, 2009
nina wrote:
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genocide is a religious and racist driven agenda
it is not an atheist agenda
That is a clearly WRONG/Invalid/Dumb claim! Try again.

genocide is the agenda of one group of hominids against another group of hominids for a variety of reasons.

Now the reasons can be anything:

Examples:

1. You have blue eyes
2. You believe in a God
3. You believe in no God
4. You have a different skin color
5. You are a different gender
6. You are short/tall/fat/skinny/ugly

So a group of Atheists like yourself can sit in a room (hmmm Stalin comes to mind) sit there and plot the deaths of millions of Russian Christians that didn't accept the Atheist Communist dogma.

nina

Canada

#11 Mar 7, 2009
hmm wrote:
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That is a clearly WRONG/Invalid/Dumb claim! Try again....
again, you demonstrate you don't understand atheism

it is simply non-belief in any deity because there is no evidence

and that is it

if a dictator slaughters people, it's because they are a dictator of a particular political system

it's driven by the politics and the clinging to power

and has nothing to to do with atheism, regardless of whether the dictator is one or not
nina

Canada

#12 Mar 7, 2009
hmm wrote:
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Are you saying "Atheist" hominids are somehow less likely to commit genocide than a "Theist" hominid?....Top officials are atheists including the religious leaders you despise.
You guessed, Ayatollah Khomeini = Atheist, even though I know it can't be proven right now, but it will come out.
At the end of the day, if you are an atheist, its ok, just don't turn into a Theist-hating idiot.
I do imagine that many religious leaders are in fact atheists

I can't imagine that any of the pedophile priests can really believe in a god and hell and still molest children

leading a religion is certainly the best way to control and manipulate people, there's certainly a requirement for extreme narcissism and sociopathy if not psychopathy - but even those conditions aren't necessarily violent

Don't presume to know who I despise, despising takes a lot of energy and effort - and that's reserved for very few and specific people
hmm

Seattle, WA

#13 Mar 7, 2009
You said, "genocide is a religion and racist based agenda"
Your view of genocide is very narrow, I clearly stated that it doesn't matter what the reason for the genocide whether its purely political control or some ideological reason like religion or ATHEISM!

Don't try to weasel out of this one, but Atheism is a Doctrine/Ideology that its main motivation is "Anti-Religion, Anti-Theism, Anti-Belief"

What I find funny about your posts is that you separate the man from the message when it comes to Atheist Mass murderers. But somehow, if a religious leader orders a genocide, all of sudden the message is the problem and not just the man.
That is a double standard. Like I said, Atheists Stuff stink like everyone elses! Nothing special about your ideology/doctrine/belief(whate ver the hell you call it) your ISM!
nina wrote:
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again, you demonstrate you don't understand atheism
it is simply non-belief in any deity because there is no evidence
and that is it
if a dictator slaughters people, it's because they are a dictator of a particular political system
it's driven by the politics and the clinging to power
and has nothing to to do with atheism, regardless of whether the dictator is one or not

“Laughing at Religion”

Since: Oct 08

'god' is a mind virus

#14 Mar 8, 2009
Well this is a new take on the usual 'Hitler was an atheist' approach...and IMHO just as pointless.

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." -- Steven Weinberg
i am the anti-christ

Glasgow, KY

#15 Mar 8, 2009
hmm wrote:
He was leader of the Atheist Ba'ath party in Iraq.
There you have it an ATHEIST who mass murdered millions of people.
Oh yea, lets not forget Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao.
Name your ATHEIST Mass murderers.
yes and hitler was a christian,april first is atheist day, i will enjoy it by burning bibles and
any of that material that might get into the hands of a child..what kind of a stupid creater would create a child to birth a child.....
any first grader would know better in case you dont know there are a lot of nine and ten year old children can reproduce......

the anti-christ
DRAS

Toronto, Canada

#16 Mar 8, 2009
hmm wrote:
He was leader of the Atheist Ba'ath party in Iraq.
There you have it an ATHEIST who mass murdered millions of people.
Oh yea, lets not forget Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao.
Name your ATHEIST Mass murderers.
Well they did do it for teh Lulz!!!
nina

Canada

#18 Mar 8, 2009
hmm wrote:
You said, "genocide is a religion and racist based agenda"...
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genocide is based on the person in charge being against a group of people, generally due to their religious or ethnic identity

if a dictator of a country eliminated people from a range of groups, but fall into the basic, people who oppose my leadership/regime, that is not genocide, since the victims come from a range of religions, ethnicities - that is simply wholesale slaughter

genocide is an attempt to eliminate people from a specific group

ie: Sunnies v the Shiites or Nazis v The Jews

Rwanda was eliminating an ethnic minority

Pot Pot and Stalin, mass murdered anyone who disagreed - and that is not targeting a specific religious or ethnic group, that's population reduction
hmm

Seattle, WA

#19 Mar 8, 2009
nina wrote:
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genocide is based on the person in charge being against a group of people, generally due to their religious or ethnic identity
So an Atheist can and Has wiped out a group of people due to their religious identity.

An Atheist would infact choose to wipe out anyone who holds a belief in a deity. Ofcourse knowing the atheist so well, he/she will give people 2 options Life through Atheism or Death for their Beliefs!

I know human nature too well.
nina

Canada

#20 Mar 8, 2009
hmm wrote:
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So an Atheist can and Has wiped out a group of people due to their religious identity.
An Atheist would infact choose to wipe out anyone who holds a belief in a deity. Ofcourse knowing the atheist so well, he/she will give people 2 options Life through Atheism or Death for their Beliefs!
I know human nature too well.
religion has caused/inspired/justified more bloodshed than anything else people have invented

political ideology (facism, communism, nazism, etc) is second

no one straps a bomb to their body, walks into a church, screams "for nothing" and triggers the device.

no one hides across from a church and picks them off with a rifle "for nothing"

people commit violence because god told them to, because they are answering what they think god's higher law is, or to eliminate political threats

in the US and Canada, atheists are underrepresented in prison compared to their ratio in the general population, and more likely than not, they are not in prison for violent crimes
hmm

Seattle, WA

#21 Mar 8, 2009
nina wrote:
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religion has caused/inspired/justified more bloodshed than anything else people have invented
political ideology (facism, communism, nazism, etc) is second
no one straps a bomb to their body, walks into a church, screams "for nothing" and triggers the device.
no one hides across from a church and picks them off with a rifle "for nothing"
people commit violence because god told them to, because they are answering what they think god's higher law is, or to eliminate political threats
in the US and Canada, atheists are underrepresented in prison compared to their ratio in the general population, and more likely than not, they are not in prison for violent crimes
From your whole post, I am assuming that your message is:

"Atheism will stop people from committing crimes/genocide/all types of ills seen in the world"????

Is that what your claim is?

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