Jesus and Einstein on the Expansion of the Universe

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#1 Aug 6, 2012
JESUS AND EINSTEIN ON THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE

Dear Ben,

Q.- According to Torah in Genesis 2:3, after the six days of Creation, God blessed the Seventh Day and made it holy, because on it He rested from all the work He had done in Creation. But in John 5:17 Jesus declared that God has been at work until now; obviously, that He has never stopped with his work of Creation. How can this apparent contradiction be harmonized?

A.- There is no contradiction. The six days of creation was the Jewish way to establish the commandment to keep the Sabbath holy in term of resting, but by man and not by God, Who is not like a man to need rest.(Num. 23:19) The mention of God in the text was only to render the day holy.

Two thousand years ago a Jew - Jesus - made it clear that God has never stopped working. Then, two thousand years later, another Jew - Einstein - being asked if he believed in God, said that all his life was trying to catch God at His work of Creation.

Probably, the first Jew had in mind the newly discovered expansion of the universe; but, obviously, the second Jew had Creation in mind when he connected his answer to the question if he believed in God, with his then research on the theory of the expansion of the universe.

Another probable evidence is found in the unsuccessful struggle of modern Cosmologists to understand how the expansion of the universe takes place. Some of them suggest that a way to understand that phenomenon is through quantum mechanics with the help of dark energy. The fundamental problem though, is that, none knows what dark energy is and how it opperates in the universe.

Einstein, the second Jew in the context of this thread, gave another booster as he implied "design" by saying that God does not play dice. Could it be that expansion of the universe is the result of a design? While research is keeping researchers busy on both sides, let us keep our minds open to the eventual probability that Einstein's master theory that will explain all theories is around the corner waiting only to surprise us all. When Einstein died, he was working on this master theory of his.

Ben

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Atlanta, Georgia

#2 Aug 6, 2012
Ben_Masada wrote:
Dear Ben,... Ben
Would you please stop spamming the Atheism thread with this tripe. It is rude.

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#3 Aug 6, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Would you please stop spamming the Atheism thread with this tripe. It is rude.
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Tell me, when you post anything in a non-atheistic forum, does it mean you are spamming it? I have read a lot of atheistic posts in non-atheistic forum. Does it mean you guys are allowed to "spam" others but none is allowed to "spam" yours? How rude is that on your eyes?

Ben

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#4 Aug 6, 2012
Ben_Masada wrote:
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Tell me, when you post anything in a non-atheistic forum, does it mean you are spamming it?...
Ben
I don't.
Ben_Masada wrote:
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I have read a lot of atheistic posts in non-atheistic forum. Does it mean you guys are allowed to "spam" others but none is allowed to "spam" yours? How rude is that on your eyes?
Ben
If they are commenting ON TOPIC in an existing forum, we are all entitled to voice our opinions. ON TOPIC of the thread matters.

However, if they are creating their own threads in a different forum, that would be very rude.

Each forum within Topix has its own 'Forum Editors' who are responsible for finding thread topics that are applicable to the forum.(Some "Editors" aren't too active, but there's also Roboblogger.)

You are creating your own threads, not participating in the existing conversations. Again exceedingly rude.

Please stop.

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#6 Aug 6, 2012
Ben_Masada wrote:
JESUS AND EINSTEIN ON THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE
Dear Ben,
Q.- According to Torah in Genesis 2:3, after the six days of Creation, God blessed the Seventh Day and made it holy, because on it He rested from all the work He had done in Creation. But in John 5:17 Jesus declared that God has been at work until now; obviously, that He has never stopped with his work of Creation. How can this apparent contradiction be harmonized?
A.- There is no contradiction. The six days of creation was the Jewish way to establish the commandment to keep the Sabbath holy in term of resting, but by man and not by God, Who is not like a man to need rest.(Num. 23:19) The mention of God in the text was only to render the day holy.
Two thousand years ago a Jew - Jesus - made it clear that God has never stopped working. Then, two thousand years later, another Jew - Einstein - being asked if he believed in God, said that all his life was trying to catch God at His work of Creation.
Probably, the first Jew had in mind the newly discovered expansion of the universe; but, obviously, the second Jew had Creation in mind when he connected his answer to the question if he believed in God, with his then research on the theory of the expansion of the universe.
Another probable evidence is found in the unsuccessful struggle of modern Cosmologists to understand how the expansion of the universe takes place. Some of them suggest that a way to understand that phenomenon is through quantum mechanics with the help of dark energy. The fundamental problem though, is that, none knows what dark energy is and how it opperates in the universe.
Einstein, the second Jew in the context of this thread, gave another booster as he implied "design" by saying that God does not play dice. Could it be that expansion of the universe is the result of a design? While research is keeping researchers busy on both sides, let us keep our minds open to the eventual probability that Einstein's master theory that will explain all theories is around the corner waiting only to surprise us all. When Einstein died, he was working on this master theory of his.
Ben
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#7 Aug 6, 2012
Ben_Masada wrote:
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Tell me, when you post anything in a non-atheistic forum, does it mean you are spamming it? I have read a lot of atheistic posts in non-atheistic forum. Does it mean you guys are allowed to "spam" others but none is allowed to "spam" yours? How rude is that on your eyes?
Ben
Because when atheists talk, they have hard evidence behind them, while all you have is lies and bullsh*t philosophy
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#8 Aug 7, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Because when atheists talk, they have hard evidence behind them, while all you have is lies and bullsh*t philosophy
'cept in your case of course.

Still waiting, Skip.

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#9 Aug 7, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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'cept in your case of course.
Still waiting, Skip.
What are you waiting for? The text box is there for you to once again ask me to disprove the hallucinations of theists.

When you learn that you are the one who is claiming something,(by understanding what is meant by the burden of proof) then you will realise what a grade a a$$clown you've been behaving like here.

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#10 Aug 11, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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I don't.
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If they are commenting ON TOPIC in an existing forum, we are all entitled to voice our opinions. ON TOPIC of the thread matters.
However, if they are creating their own threads in a different forum, that would be very rude.
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So,"we" are all entitled to voice our opinions. "We" who, atheists?
If I am talking about something in Einstein which seems to be in tune with what Jesus mentioned, is it not something in tune with the topic? Since I have read in this forum the opinions of a few other theists, don't you feel the smell of a personal grudge here?
That's what seems to be very rude in my opinion.

Ben

“ecrasez l'infame”

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Atlanta, Georgia

#11 Aug 11, 2012
Ben_Masada wrote:
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So,"we" are all entitled to voice our opinions. "We" who, atheists?
If I am talking about something in Einstein which seems to be in tune with what Jesus mentioned, is it not something in tune with the topic? Since I have read in this forum the opinions of a few other theists, don't you feel the smell of a personal grudge here?
That's what seems to be very rude in my opinion.
Ben
You're not that stupid.

What I clearly said was that commenting within EXISTING threads in a given forum is expressing your own opinion.

Creating new threads with a forum is being RUDE if you are not the forum editor. And you are definitely NOT the forum editor for the Atheism forum.

Now, please stop creating your own thread subjects in the Atheism forum.

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#12 Aug 11, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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You're not that stupid.
What I clearly said was that commenting within EXISTING threads in a given forum is expressing your own opinion.
Creating new threads with a forum is being RUDE if you are not the forum editor. And you are definitely NOT the forum editor for the Atheism forum.
Now, please stop creating your own thread subjects in the Atheism forum.
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I know I am not. But I know that if one has a theme he would like to share with others and have the insight of other's views, he has all the right in the world to post it where the theme fits the forum as long as he shows proper respect and avoid ad hominems, which some atheists are only too willing to show their expertise at.

Ben

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Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#13 Aug 11, 2012
Ben_Masada wrote:
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I know I am not. But I know that if one has a theme he would like to share with others and have the insight of other's views, he has all the right in the world to post it where the theme fits the forum as long as he shows proper respect and avoid ad hominems, which some atheists are only too willing to show their expertise at.
Ben
Every time you create your own thread subject in the Atheism forum you are displaying the height of DISRESPECT and arrogance.

You can never expect any atheists to show you respect if you are not willing to first respect our forum.

We don't see it as "sharing" ... no matter what you think you're doing, we see it as proselytizing.

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#14 Aug 14, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Every time you create your own thread subject in the Atheism forum you are displaying the height of DISRESPECT and arrogance.
You can never expect any atheists to show you respect if you are not willing to first respect our forum.
We don't see it as "sharing" ... no matter what you think you're doing, we see it as proselytizing.
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Jews do not proselytize. You want me to live this forum because you feel threatened. If you can't defend your faith, don't pick up
my posts for a reply.

Ben

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Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#15 Aug 14, 2012
Ben_Masada wrote:
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Jews do not proselytize. You want me to live this forum because you feel threatened. If you can't defend your faith, don't pick up
my posts for a reply.
Ben
I never once told you to leave the forum, so your straw man argument is without merit.

In fact I suggested that you to join any existing threads.

All I asked was that you stop creating your own threads in the Atheism forum.

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#16 Aug 14, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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I never once told you to leave the forum, so your straw man argument is without merit.
In fact I suggested that you to join any existing threads.
All I asked was that you stop creating your own threads in the Atheism forum.
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As I said, do not pick up my posts. But, I guess you can't help yourself. So, be it as it may.
Ben

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