Atheism and homosexuality

Atheism and homosexuality

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Creationist scientists and creationist assert that the theory of evolution cannot account for the origin of gender and sexual reproduction.http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/136http://www.answersingenesis.org/pbs_nova/0928ep5.asp [[Creation Ministries International]] states: "Homosexual acts go against [[God]]'s original [[Intelligent design ... (more)

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“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#745 Jul 23, 2013
CH2O2 wrote:
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It will take me a while to process this information. I'll get back to this soon.
Take your time, no rush. I can expand on any point - and it would be helpful to limit our posts to one point, to be honest. It's hard to write replies in 4000 characters or less on all the points.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#747 Jul 23, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>We have the right to elect representatives and advocate policies that share our values. There is no wall of separation between church and state.
Two days ago I signed up for membership on the New Republic website and was accepted. I then posted a response pointing out the errors in their anti gay stance and unchristian like behavior based on 103 Bible verses on Obeying Authority
http://www.openbible.info/topics/obeying_auth ...

today I just found my privileges on their site have been revoked.

Color me not surprised!

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#748 Jul 23, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
How can you write this:
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and then this racist bullshit?
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Because it's not racist. It's culturalist.

If someone of Japanese descent were born and raised in the US, they would be no more likely to purchase used school girl panties than any other sicko.

It's not an issue of genetics. It's an issue of a deeply twisted society that upholds pedophilia and sexual assault as an ideal. A society which has so objectified women, that they literally have people falling in love with OBJECTS that have images of women on them.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#749 Jul 23, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
Oh, and by the way, you Americans have waaaaaaaaaaaay more pedophilia than Japan has. You have an entire organization devoted to it - NAMBLA. Well done, America.
This is like saying that America has more Japanese food than Japan because we have special restaurants that sell Sushi.

The reason Japan doesn't have a NAMBLA equivalent is because it's the _NORM_ over there.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#750 Jul 23, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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This is like saying that America has more Japanese food than Japan because we have special restaurants that sell Sushi.
The reason Japan doesn't have a NAMBLA equivalent is because it's the _NORM_ over there.
It's not the norm. I don't know where you're getting this bs from, but unlike you, I live in Tokyo. I've never seen a vending machine of women's underwear.

I know you've been shown that through media, and I can't believe the mentality of someone who'd believe media so uncritically, but there you are, but it's far from normal here.

I've never heard of a case of pedophilia in the news - having sex with someone under 20 is illegal, and I've never seen pantie vending machines. A good friend of mine told me he has seen one in Kyoto. However, you have a translation issue - women of all ages here are called "girls" in Japanese. So the panties you're talking about would be women's and not girl's, since if they were under 20, that would be illegal.

Now, I'm not saying that pedophilia doesn't exist here, but I am saying it doesn't exist at the level it does in the USA. Japan has other sexual problems, none of which you mentioned, but pedophilia isn't a major one, unlike your nation. You guys, after all, have a dedicated organization devoted to the legalization of pedophilia. And you haven't arrested people who started it or outlawed its existence - that's pretty strange.

Regarding the pillow freak - that's one person. Only a very stupid person or a person with a political and racist agenda would point to one single case and pretend that was representative of all members of a society. Unlike you, I don't posit that all Americans support NAMBLA - but what you're insinuating is much, much stronger, since you're basing it on a single case.

Clearly you either hate Japanese people and want to denigrate them or are unable to reason correctly.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#751 Jul 23, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Because it's not racist. It's culturalist.
If someone of Japanese descent were born and raised in the US, they would be no more likely to purchase used school girl panties than any other sicko.
It's not an issue of genetics. It's an issue of a deeply twisted society that upholds pedophilia and sexual assault as an ideal. A society which has so objectified women, that they literally have people falling in love with OBJECTS that have images of women on them.
You're either unable to distinguish between outliers or simply hate Japanese people.

Those sexual proclivities are extremely rare, not even slightly normal. People here have normal sex. In fact, it's unhindered by Christian guilt so I'd argue it's more normal than any Christian culture's sex.

Japan has great problems regarding the status of women, but it's overcoming them, just as the US did. It doesn't have problems regarding men falling in love with objects any more than any other nation does. That's just you unable to distinguish between strange media tales and normality.

Japans problems of gender equality will be a long struggle, but most of the women I speak to agree that women are the stronger sex. Men are unable to change, they say, but women are changing very fast.

Your ridiculous focus on the absurd means you'll never understand the normal. A 16 year old Japanese boy got shot and killed in the USA on Halloween several years back for trick or treating on someone's doorstep. A lot of people here now believe that America is a crazy, violent place with shootings every day.

America has issues with guns, but if we focus only on the one case, we get a skewed image of America - like you are doing.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#753 Jul 23, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I ran out of space but was wondering about your thoughts on this paragraph of mine that I cut from my previous response.
What about studies of families with significant violent or criminal behavior across generations? I am sorry that I can't quote you the specific citations. It has been a long time since I read these papers and don't even recall the journals. As I said, this is all outside my expertise. Way outside.
As far as I know, those studies are pretty old and have been deemed biased - they were done to support the then societal hieararchy, so that certain populations of people could be kept down.

For example, Irish and Italians were argued to be of criminal mind, to be non-white, and so on, so that they would remain part of the working class.

In terms of genetics, no genes have been found that are associated with criminal behavior - it's more environment and circumstance.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#754 Jul 23, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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This is like saying that America has more Japanese food than Japan because we have special restaurants that sell Sushi.
The reason Japan doesn't have a NAMBLA equivalent is because it's the _NORM_ over there.
Here you go. According to your logic, all this crazy stuff is normal for Americans.

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/04/top_5_...

Thankfully, most of us aren't as simpleminded and "culturalist" as you - we don't think extreme cases are indicative of entire peoples. Only abject morons, incapable of independent thought, think such things.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#755 Jul 23, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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As far as I know, those studies are pretty old and have been deemed biased - they were done to support the then societal hieararchy, so that certain populations of people could be kept down.
For example, Irish and Italians were argued to be of criminal mind, to be non-white, and so on, so that they would remain part of the working class.
In terms of genetics, no genes have been found that are associated with criminal behavior - it's more environment and circumstance.
You could also remind Dan of the Zoot Suits of LA in the 30's -40's and how wearing one got an Hispanic man arrested just as they are trying to do with those ridiculous baggy pants now.

And how that relates to current marijuana laws and racism.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#756 Jul 23, 2013
and not just marijauna laws. Look at the insanity of the crack vs cocaine sentencing guidelines and how that relates to the racism of today.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#757 Jul 23, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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It's not the norm. I don't know where you're getting this bs from, but unlike you, I live in Tokyo. I've never seen a vending machine of women's underwear.
I know you've been shown that through media, and I can't believe the mentality of someone who'd believe media so uncritically, but there you are, but it's far from normal here.
Oh, I see. It's the old "If I've never seen it, it doesn't exist" argument. The same one I can use on the entirety of China.

The machines are documented. I gave you links. The Japanese even charged people for operating one without a license.
I've never heard of a case of pedophilia in the news - having sex with someone under 20 is illegal, and I've never seen pantie vending machines. A good friend of mine told me he has seen one in Kyoto. However, you have a translation issue - women of all ages here are called "girls" in Japanese. So the panties you're talking about would be women's and not girl's, since if they were under 20, that would be illegal.
First of all, CLEARLY these are advertising the panties of school girls.

The Japanese standard of sexuality strives for little girl who act like children.

Further, pedophilia in Japan is not restricted to just having sex. Groping is such an epidemic that they have to offer women only train cars. A survey of school girls found that 70% had been groped.
Now, I'm not saying that pedophilia doesn't exist here, but I am saying it doesn't exist at the level it does in the USA. Japan has other sexual problems, none of which you mentioned, but pedophilia isn't a major one, unlike your nation. You guys, after all, have a dedicated organization devoted to the legalization of pedophilia.
Again, Japan's entire culture is based around the pedophilic ideal, there's no reason for them to have a fringe group pushing it forward, it's the NORM.
And you haven't arrested people who started it or outlawed its existence - that's pretty strange.
I've never arrested anyone since I am not a police officer. However, I suspect that individual who have broken laws are arrested and those who merely speak about an issue are not.

I'm not saying that Japan should arrest the majority of men for their sexual obsession with pre-pubescant girls. I'm just saying the entire country should be isolated from the civilized world until their disorder has been cured.
Regarding the pillow freak - that's one person.
No. I've linked you several articles, many of which have pictures of MULTIPLE people with their pillow girlfriends.

The entire sex pillow industry is not in place to service ONE guy. He's not buying 100% of the product.

There is a thriving market of adult Japanese men who want to have sex with pillows that are painted to look like children.
what you're insinuating is much, much stronger
I'm not insinuating it. I'm STATING it.

Sex culture in Japan glories little girls and turns them into sexual objects to such a degree that in some cases they've been replaced by people trying to have REAL relationships with ACTUAL objects.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#758 Jul 23, 2013
- A.G. Kathleen Kane (PA):
“If there is a law that I feel that does not conform with the Pennsylvania state constitution and the U.S. Constitution, then I ethically cannot do that [defend it] as a lawyer,"
As an American citizen I wouldn't defend such a law either. And as a Gay Christian I can't either.
Thinking

Lymington, UK

#759 Jul 23, 2013
I'm in no position to claim any high or low moral ground with regards to the sexual moires of Japan versus the UK, but my next door neighbour was nearly starved to death by Japanese soldiers in Singapore. His back is terribly atrophied by his childhood malnutrition and he now needs a brace.

Traveling with the RAF meant he ended up with plenty of German acquaintances from that era but due to Japan's reluctance to own up to their crimes, he will never give a Japanese person the time of day.

I live in a country where I'm told about my ancestors crimes all the time. If only all nationalities could cope with the truth.
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I see. It's the old "If I've never seen it, it doesn't exist" argument. The same one I can use on the entirety of China.
The machines are documented. I gave you links. The Japanese even charged people for operating one without a license.
<quoted text>
First of all, CLEARLY these are advertising the panties of school girls.
The Japanese standard of sexuality strives for little girl who act like children.
Further, pedophilia in Japan is not restricted to just having sex. Groping is such an epidemic that they have to offer women only train cars. A survey of school girls found that 70% had been groped.
<quoted text>
Again, Japan's entire culture is based around the pedophilic ideal, there's no reason for them to have a fringe group pushing it forward, it's the NORM.
<quoted text>
I've never arrested anyone since I am not a police officer. However, I suspect that individual who have broken laws are arrested and those who merely speak about an issue are not.
I'm not saying that Japan should arrest the majority of men for their sexual obsession with pre-pubescant girls. I'm just saying the entire country should be isolated from the civilized world until their disorder has been cured.
<quoted text>
No. I've linked you several articles, many of which have pictures of MULTIPLE people with their pillow girlfriends.
The entire sex pillow industry is not in place to service ONE guy. He's not buying 100% of the product.
There is a thriving market of adult Japanese men who want to have sex with pillows that are painted to look like children.
<quoted text>
I'm not insinuating it. I'm STATING it.
Sex culture in Japan glories little girls and turns them into sexual objects to such a degree that in some cases they've been replaced by people trying to have REAL relationships with ACTUAL objects.
Amused

Minot, MA

#760 Jul 23, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Nope, I'm right, you're an idiot.
Baby, you don't know the first thing about Japan. Every piece of trash you've written describes that - you're just a small minded racist who pretends that normal is based entirely upon your own life and expects everyone in the world to be like you.
Well, sorry. The world is a much, much larger place than you can imagine.
Oh, and by the way, you Americans have waaaaaaaaaaaay more pedophilia than Japan has. You have an entire organization devoted to it - NAMBLA. Well done, America.
Or, he's someone whose only information about Japan comes from Japanese porn. Porn is a reflection of the culture that produces it, but a funhouse mirror reflection, not an accurate representation.

I am curious about his references to "pedophilia supplies" though. I was not previously aware that any sort of supplies were required. If they are, shouldn't there be laws prohibiting possession or sale of pedophilia supplies as a way to suppress predatory behavior? Couldn't the police trace sales of pedophilia supplies as a way to identify pedophiles before they molest children?

Since: Jul 13

Almada, Portugal

#761 Jul 23, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Because you are trying to argue with me.
My position hasn't changed for many posts now.
So you agree that homosexuality, including the 15% individuals who are homosexual because of a effect in the mother's womb, does have a heritable genetic factor?

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#762 Jul 23, 2013
CH2O2 wrote:
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So you agree that homosexuality, including the 15% individuals who are homosexual because of a effect in the mother's womb, does have a heritable genetic factor?
I don't know where you are getting your numbers. I also was quite clear that I'm referring to male homosexuality only. Female homosexuality is completely different and, frankly, I'm starting to believe a good portion of it isn't "real".

There's no male version of "Lesbian Until Graduation". Either you're gay or you aren't.

Anyway, as I stated before any genetic component would not be something that shows up in the individual nor travels down the individual's lineage as heritable.

A gay son and a straight son are equally as unlikely to carry any genetic material governing sexuality.

In fact, any genetic component causing this might be present in 100% of the population but expresses itself differently depending on other factors. We can't know.

We'd have to run an experiment where we take thousands of women and force them to produce male offspring one after another until one came out gay and then correlate that data to their DNA.

All futile, since even if we did find a gene, it wouldn't be present in the homosexuals themselves. Therefore there's no "gay cure" or "gay test"

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#763 Jul 23, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I see. It's the old "If I've never seen it, it doesn't exist" argument. The same one I can use on the entirety of China.
The machines are documented. I gave you links. The Japanese even charged people for operating one without a license.
<quoted text>
First of all, CLEARLY these are advertising the panties of school girls.
The Japanese standard of sexuality strives for little girl who act like children.
Further, pedophilia in Japan is not restricted to just having sex. Groping is such an epidemic that they have to offer women only train cars. A survey of school girls found that 70% had been groped.
<quoted text>
Again, Japan's entire culture is based around the pedophilic ideal, there's no reason for them to have a fringe group pushing it forward, it's the NORM.
<quoted text>
I've never arrested anyone since I am not a police officer. However, I suspect that individual who have broken laws are arrested and those who merely speak about an issue are not.
I'm not saying that Japan should arrest the majority of men for their sexual obsession with pre-pubescant girls. I'm just saying the entire country should be isolated from the civilized world until their disorder has been cured.
<quoted text>
No. I've linked you several articles, many of which have pictures of MULTIPLE people with their pillow girlfriends.
The entire sex pillow industry is not in place to service ONE guy. He's not buying 100% of the product.
There is a thriving market of adult Japanese men who want to have sex with pillows that are painted to look like children.
<quoted text>
I'm not insinuating it. I'm STATING it.
Sex culture in Japan glories little girls and turns them into sexual objects to such a degree that in some cases they've been replaced by people trying to have REAL relationships with ACTUAL objects.
More unsubstantiated xenophobic bs from nuggin, the child who never got any attention.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#764 Jul 23, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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More unsubstantiated xenophobic bs from nuggin, the child who never got any attention.
It's funny that you would claim I'm xenophobic, when it's you that claims we faked the moon landing.

Oh, and for your information, Japanese are aliens. They are just perverts.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#765 Jul 23, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Nope, I'm right, you're an idiot.
Baby, you don't know the first thing about Japan. Every piece of trash you've written describes that - you're just a small minded racist who pretends that normal is based entirely upon your own life and expects everyone in the world to be like you.
Well, sorry. The world is a much, much larger place than you can imagine.
Oh, and by the way, you Americans have waaaaaaaaaaaay more pedophilia than Japan has. You have an entire organization devoted to it - NAMBLA. Well done, America.
Don't get too upset Nuggin is simply a knob who is:-
A. Psychotic
B. Paranoid
C. Sociopath
D. All of the above

He will argue against anybody and once accused me of been a godbot. Sooner or later he will tell you that you claimed the moon landings faked.

He pops up from time to time I think when he either off his meds or escapes his handlers.

The best thing to do with Nuggin is to ignore him as Nuggin is a nothing.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#766 Jul 23, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I'm in no position to claim any high or low moral ground with regards to the sexual moires of Japan versus the UK, but my next door neighbour was nearly starved to death by Japanese soldiers in Singapore. His back is terribly atrophied by his childhood malnutrition and he now needs a brace.
Traveling with the RAF meant he ended up with plenty of German acquaintances from that era but due to Japan's reluctance to own up to their crimes, he will never give a Japanese person the time of day.
I live in a country where I'm told about my ancestors crimes all the time. If only all nationalities could cope with the truth.
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Yes, the Japanese committed terrible atrocities in WWII, and the Emperor and his chronies should have been tried for war crimes.

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