Atheism and homosexuality

Atheism and homosexuality

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Creationist scientists and creationist assert that the theory of evolution cannot account for the origin of gender and sexual reproduction.http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/136http://www.answersingenesis.org/pbs_nova/0928ep5.asp [[Creation Ministries International]] states: "Homosexual acts go against [[God]]'s original [[Intelligent design ... (more)

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#3513 Nov 4, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You already can have a religious same sex wedding rite in every state of the Union. In some, you can even sue wedding vendors if they turn down the gig. The left loves it when you sue Christians.
Kong's fantasy ignore that fact that 30 states have laws defining marriage as male/female.
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<quoted text>Yes, what a waste of tax dollars. I'm writing my representatives. Supposed to have a sequester, no tours of the White House but we can waste taxpayer dollars on a same sex marriage ceremony.
Be sure to tell your atheist friends.
I wouldn't call maintaining religious freedom a waste of tax dollars.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#3514 Nov 4, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>She was never tried by a jury of her peers, I don't believe she broke the law:
Stutzman says she has no problem with homosexual customers but won’t support gay weddings because of her religious beliefs.
http://legalnewsline.com/news/245189-wash-flo...
Show me how "she attempted to compromise the religious freedom of others." Didn't she give referrals?
"The suit, Arlene’s Flowers v. Ferguson, filed in Benton County Superior Court, explains that the problem for Stutzman was promoting the same-sex ceremony, not serving customers who identify as homosexual. She has served such customers, including the one suing her in a separate lawsuit, for many years and even offered him a list of referrals to florists that would prepare flowers for his ceremony."
http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/8199
no, she clearly did break the law, she discriminated against them because of both her religious beliefs and the customers...

that is not legal.

she can hold whatever religious beliefs she wishes to, but when she runs a business open to the public, she cannot discriminate on that basis...

discrimination veiled behind religious belief is not allowed in this nation.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#3515 Nov 4, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>^^^See how T.D. defames supporting one man and one woman marriage? Same sex marriage is based on irrationality and lies.
See the post above as proof.
Except I did not defame supporting straight marriage. So that would make *your* posts based on irrationality and lies.
Brian_G wrote:
I write my arguments to appeal to everyone, including homosexuals. I oppose inciting violence and inflaming hatred. Not all same sex marriage supporters are like T.D. but so few of them condemn his hate speech, it doesn't matter.
And I wasn't inciting violence. I was pointing out that you would happily restrict the freedoms of others while pretending to be friendly. Pointing out you're a massive hypocrite is not hate speech.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#3516 Nov 4, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Same sex marriage is the special right to rewrite marriage law for everyone, changing government's relationship with marriage to make it unisex. It brings a new standard of sex segregation to perfectly integrated one man and one woman marriage. It's all about segregation, inequality, separatism and apartheid; not equality. A gay may marry a lesbian in every state. Same sex religious rites are legal in every state, though some don't force Christian wedding vendors to support those ceremonies. There is no orientation test for a marriage license.
Irrelevant.
Brian_G wrote:
I don't equate attending and supporting a religious same sex wedding ceremony with race; this is where we differ.
I support their freedom; they were never found guilty by a jury of their peers. Same sex marriage is unjust and intolerant, suing Christians or defending those suits.
Those Christians never turned away a homosexual, they had sold to them before and after; they just turned away supporting same sex marriage. They would have refused to support heterosexuals who wanted to marry for economic or political reasons too.
I already said that as far as I was concerned she had the right not to sell, and was prosecuted in the same manner as she would have been if she refused to serve black people. However the right to choose customers is a separate issue to whether or not gay marriage should be allowed.
Brian_G wrote:
I oppose name-calling and bullying.
No you don't. You just use political sleazing and friendly smiles when you do it. That's why you misrepresent my posts rather than presenting a rational argument for restricting the rights of others.
Jumper The Wise

Owensboro, KY

#3517 Nov 4, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
What can a creationist troll with no proof of god really say in 2013?
Ahh...er...HOPE I'll see you in 2014?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#3518 Nov 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no such thing as gay marriage.
Then you have nothing to be afraid of, but here you are shaking with fear at your cult being slowly demolished by its own members.

you're afraid of gays that is why you're ignorant of it

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#3519 Nov 4, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You already can have a religious same sex wedding rite in every state of the Union. In some, you can even sue wedding vendors if they turn down the gig. The left loves it when you sue Christians.
Kong's fantasy ignore that fact that 30 states have laws defining marriage as male/female.
.
<quoted text>Yes, what a waste of tax dollars. I'm writing my representatives. Supposed to have a sequester, no tours of the White House but we can waste taxpayer dollars on a same sex marriage ceremony.
Be sure to tell your atheist friends.
The Creationist mental illness you suffer from is no excuse to be sharing your opinions about homosexual marriage.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#3520 Nov 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no such thing as gay marriage.
The effort is to eliminate marriage. Period.
Marriage would end, by definition. Whatever the re-defined entity is, it is not marriage.
This is the hypocrisy - marriage is so important to gays, they must eliminate it.
Why you are even talking, when you have no proof of god, are a career criminal and failed to get anyone to believe that jesus rode on the backs of dinosaurs, nobody knows..

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#3521 Nov 4, 2013
Jumper The Wise wrote:
<quoted text>Ahh...er...HOPE I'll see you in 2014?
Ah yes, another failed threat on the imaginary afterlife your mental illness clings to..
Jumper The Wise

Owensboro, KY

#3522 Nov 4, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah yes, another failed threat on the imaginary afterlife your mental illness clings to..
'Oh its you!'
Sorry I never botherd to look at the post name.

As I said,I'd like to wait to see if you was a female or not before commenting.

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#3523 Nov 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no such thing as gay marriage.
Then there is nothing to debate.
Bye.

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#3524 Nov 4, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Which one gets to throw the bouquet?
You're homophobia is caused by your inability to deal with your own same sex attractions.

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#3526 Nov 4, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You already can have a religious same sex wedding rite in every state of the Union. In some, you can even sue wedding vendors if they turn down the gig. The left loves it when you sue Christians.
You can sue anybody for anything. And I love it when bigots get sued.:)
Brian_G wrote:
<
Kong's fantasy ignore that fact that 30 states have laws defining marriage as male/female.
That violates equal protection. Our rights should not depend on the type of junk we have. You right wingers claim you want the government out of our lives, but you want them in our underwear.
Brian_G wrote:
<
<quoted text>Yes, what a waste of tax dollars. I'm writing my representatives. Supposed to have a sequester, no tours of the White House but we can waste taxpayer dollars on a same sex marriage ceremony.
Be sure to tell your atheist friends.
You talk about "taxpayers" as if gays don't pay taxes.
And the government pays for marriage ceremonies?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#3527 Nov 4, 2013
The Dude wrote:
Except I did not defame supporting straight marriage. So that would make *your* posts based on irrationality and lies.
<quoted text>
And I wasn't inciting violence. I was pointing out that you would happily restrict the freedoms of others while pretending to be friendly. Pointing out you're a massive hypocrite is not hate speech.
His words indicate otherwise:
The Dude wrote:
Smiling while holding a knife at someone's throat is not friendly

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#3528 Nov 4, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You already can have a religious same sex wedding rite in every state of the Union.
Possibly, but in most of the states (as you state below), it's just for show. They're not legally married.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text> In some, you can even sue wedding vendors if they turn down the gig. The left loves it when you sue Christians.
Kong's fantasy ignore that fact that 30 states have laws defining marriage as male/female.
Me, personally? If I was gay, and IF I was planning on a wedding that a vendor refused, I'd just as soon take my business elsewhere, and make sure the entire gay AND STRAIGHT community was aware of the vendor's bigotry. I wouldn't sue. But that's just me.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, what a waste of tax dollars. I'm writing my representatives. Supposed to have a sequester, no tours of the White House but we can waste taxpayer dollars on a same sex marriage ceremony.
Be sure to tell your atheist friends.
"TAX DOLLARS"?!?!

You cannot be serious.

I'd like to be a fly on the wall when your letter(s) reach your representatives.
I'm sure they could use the laughs!

(1) As Rose stated above, Homosexuals ALSO pay taxes, and
(2) What makes you think that weddings here (gay OR straight) are supported by tax dollars? Everything I've read suggests a donation to defray cost(s) of clergy, music, and the rental space. There is NOTHING to suggest that Same-sex couples have any more (or any less) costs incurred for the facilities.

Maybe its time you throw out the "Jingoistic" lable again. <SNORT>

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#3529 Nov 4, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Possibly, but in most of the states (as you state below), it's just for show. They're not legally married.
<quoted text>
Me, personally? If I was gay, and IF I was planning on a wedding that a vendor refused, I'd just as soon take my business elsewhere, and make sure the entire gay AND STRAIGHT community was aware of the vendor's bigotry. I wouldn't sue. But that's just me.
<quoted text>
I wouldn't sue them, but I would hack into their web site and put up lots of gay porn.:)
Mortimer

France

#3530 Nov 4, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
I wouldn't sue them, but I would hack into their web site and put up lots of gay porn.:)
That figures you nasty ass fagg@t.

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#3531 Nov 4, 2013
Mortimer wrote:
<quoted text>
That figures you nasty ass fagg@t.
For people who don't know "Mortimer" is a troll who follows me from forum to forum saying the two same things about me over and over. He's really dumb and obsessed. He changes names and proxy servers, some times several times in an hour. What a joke he is! And he has been doing this literally for years. I know what he's going to say next...

“abstractions of thought...”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#3532 Nov 4, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
You already can have a religious same sex wedding rite in every state of the Union. In some, you can even sue wedding vendors if they turn down the gig. The left loves it when you sue Christians.
So can opposite sex couples. If that's not sufficient for you, why should gays settle for something you deem insufficient?

Kong's fantasy ignore that fact that 30 states have laws defining marriage as male/female.
No he didn't, Brian. He clearly stated >> when << same sex marriage is a fact everywhere; that explicitly states it isn't a fact at the moment.

Is your illiteracy one of the reasons you lie so frequently?
Brian_G wrote:
Yes, what a waste of tax dollars. I'm writing my representatives. Supposed to have a sequester, no tours of the White House but we can waste taxpayer dollars on a same sex marriage ceremony.
Here's a new flash, Brian: neither the federal nor any state government picks up the cost of a same sex wedding ceremony. Just as neither pays the cost of opposite sex wedding ceremonies.

Were you perhaps referring to the legal benefits and privileges the government attaches to marital status? If so, that's quite different. Or perhaps you're just lying again. With your mental and character defects, it's hard to know.
Brian_G wrote:
Be sure to tell your atheist friends.
Anyone with half a brain can already discern your multitude of menial and character defects; there's simply no need to point them out to others.

“abstractions of thought...”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#3533 Nov 4, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>She was never tried by a jury of her peers
The constitution only guarantees trials by jury to those accused of breaking criminal law. It's not a mandatory requirement of administrative law.
Brian_G wrote:
I don't believe she broke the law:
When you become a prosecutor or an Attorney General, than you'll authority to make such a determination. Until such time, it's merely your uninformed opinion.
Brian_G wrote:
Stutzman says she has no problem with homosexual customers but won’t support gay weddings because of her religious beliefs.
http://legalnewsline.com/news/245189-wash-flo...
Previous compliance with the law doesn't excuse current violations of it.
Brian_G wrote:
Show me how "she attempted to compromise the religious freedom of others." Didn't she give referrals?
"Here's a list of people who won't discriminate against you". Yes, that makes ALL the difference. Not.
Brian_G wrote:
"The suit, Arlene’s Flowers v. Ferguson, filed in Benton County Superior Court, explains that the problem for Stutzman was promoting the same-sex ceremony, not serving customers who identify as homosexual. She has served such customers, including the one suing her in a separate lawsuit, for many years and even offered him a list of referrals to florists that would prepare flowers for his ceremony."
http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/8199
How was creating floral arrangements "promoting" anything. Was someone going to hang a big banner at the ceremony stating "Floral arrangements were proudly supplied by Arlene's Flowers, which heartily endorses and supports the constitutional right of gays exercising their fundamental right of marriage"? No? Then how would anyone even know she old the floral arrangements used in the wedding?

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