Atheism and homosexuality

Atheism and homosexuality

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Creationist scientists and creationist assert that the theory of evolution cannot account for the origin of gender and sexual reproduction.http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/136http://www.answersingenesis.org/pbs_nova/0928ep5.asp [[Creation Ministries International]] states: "Homosexual acts go against [[God]]'s original [[Intelligent design ... (more)

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Since: Apr 08

Planet Earth

#3024 Oct 22, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Being sued for failing to serve and attend a same sex wedding ceremony isn't about failure to RSVP.
No one is being sued for failing to "attend" a same sex wedding ceremony, Brian. Why do you lie?

Those being sued fro refusing to provide goods or services they purport to be in business to provide the general public as public accommodations are being sued for violating anti-discriminations laws.
Brian_G wrote:
The issue is religious freedom, the right to refuse to participate in a religious ceremony is as important as the right to worship as you please.
No one's free exercise of religion is infringed because running a business isn't an act of religious worship nor is it an expression of faith. For Christians to refuse to obey civil laws is an act of hypocrisy since it's contrary to the command found in the Christian new testament to obey civil authorities and civil law. They can only claim this as a violation of their religious beliefs if they ignore what the scripture of their faith commands them to do.

Providing goods and services as a business deemed a public accommodation isn't "participating" in religious ceremony, Brian, whether for a same or opposite sex wedding. And again, are you asserting these business owners would willingly sell their goods ad services if the wedding was a secular rather than a religious ceremony? If so, that simply changes the discrimination from sexual orientation to religion.
Brian_G wrote:
Same sex marriage is the death of freedom in the name of ersatz gender equality.
Why do some Christians always use their religion as a justification for bigotry and discrimination, Brian? They did the same thing when they defended slavery and racial segregation too. It's cowardly to hide your bigotry behind a false claim of religious freedom.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#3025 Oct 22, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
Gays have a disconnection in their brain, it's a mental problem
Actually, several studies have shown that there really is no difference in overall I.Q. between homosexual and non-homosexual people.

HOWEVER.....

A number of OTHER studies have shown conclusively that highly religious people score as LESS INTELLIGENT than moderately religious, non-religious or atheist people.

"In another study, this one in the United States, Hodson and Busseri compared 254 people with the same amount of education but different levels of ability in abstract reasoning.... People who were poorer at abstract reasoning were more likely to exhibit prejudice against gays."

http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence...

....in other words, you're an idiot.

“From a distance...”

Since: Apr 08

Planet Earth

#3026 Oct 22, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Most same sex marriage supporter argue from emotion instead of rationality. See T.D.'s post above for proof.
Since religious beliefs are based on faith and emotion rather than scientifically verifiable facts or rational thought, Brian, you've actually just condemned all who cite their faith as justification for their opposition to same sex marriage as well as their discrimination against gays.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#3027 Oct 22, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Most same sex marriage supporter argue from emotion instead of rationality. See T.D.'s post above for proof.
Though an emotion it may be, I don't think sarcasm is necessarily irrational. Especially when it makes a good point by exposing the logical fallacies and hypocrisy of your own position.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#3028 Oct 22, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
Gays have a disconnection in their brain, it's a mental problem
You're a creationist. Irony meter go boom.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#3029 Oct 22, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
Gays have a disconnection in their brain, it's a mental problem
No

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#3030 Oct 22, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
Gays have a disconnection in their brain, it's a mental problem
The only mental problem here is creationism and confronting the fact that you have no evidence of god.

Its because you understand your false position that makes you hate gays.

“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#3031 Oct 22, 2013
Wow. Sea serpents draw crowds in the coast of California. Poor creatures must have a name!

Steve's?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#3032 Oct 22, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Wow. Sea serpents draw crowds in the coast of California. Poor creatures must have a name!
Steve's?
they are called oarfish.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3033 Oct 22, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
Gays have a disconnection in their brain, it's a mental problem
Says the hate-filled bigot, who believes in sadistic torturing-gods.

Riiiight-- like **you** are an expert.

When did you choose to NOT be gay?

Hmmm?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#3034 Oct 22, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
Gays have a disconnection in their brain, it's a mental problem
When did YOU choose to NOT be gay?

Hmmm?

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#3035 Oct 22, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Being sued for failing to serve and attend a same sex wedding ceremony isn't about failure to RSVP.
Yeah, stupid, I know. That's the point
Brian_G wrote:
The issue is religious freedom, the right to refuse to participate in a religious ceremony is as important as the right to worship as you please.
Look, dummy, again, the issue is providing a commercial service. If they don't want to sprinkle holy water on the couple, fine.

Brian_G wrote:
Same sex marriage is the death of freedom in the name of ersatz gender equality.
Go do yourself.

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#3036 Oct 22, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Most same sex marriage supporter argue from emotion instead of rationality. See T.D.'s post above for proof.
Idiot, I'm arguing from pure reason, equal protection under the law.
I hate you, because you are a vile bigot, but that doesn't have anything to do with my argument one way or another.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#3037 Oct 23, 2013
Atheists don't see a threat to religious liberty compelling vendors to attend religious rituals?

I don't want to discuss homosexuality; it has nothing to do with atheism. There's nothing wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality so I'll debate same sex marriage on other threads.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#3038 Oct 23, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Atheists don't see a threat to religious liberty compelling vendors to attend religious rituals?
......
Atheists?
A great many Christians disagree with you as well. It's nothing to do with the marriage itself, and you know it. Very few florists attend the weddings they provide services for. I've NEVER seen it happen.
It's about holding a business license and serving members of the public as promised. Public accommodation. Serving PEOPLE, not ceremonies. Following the law.
You know this, but you just can't let it go, as you have been forced to let all of your other silly arguments against marriage go. This silly argument too shall pass.
I wonder what red herring you will come up with next.

lides

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#3039 Oct 23, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Same sex marriage means suing Christians who decline an invitation to a same sex wedding ceremony.
If you value your freedom, keep marriage one man and one woman.
Only if they are morons, who break the law.

They wouldn't keep losing in court, if they hadn't broken the law.

Why do you defend those who break the law, Brian?
Brian_G wrote:
Being sued for failing to serve and attend a same sex wedding ceremony isn't about failure to RSVP. The issue is religious freedom, the right to refuse to participate in a religious ceremony is as important as the right to worship as you please.
Same sex marriage is the death of freedom in the name of ersatz gender equality.
Brian, they aren't being asked to "attend" as guest, or even to approve of the ceremony, they are being asked to provide a professional service, which in theory is what their business is established to do.

As a business, or a place of public accommodation, they do not have the right only to offer their services to those who pass their religious judgment.

Should I be able to deny you my services merely because you are an idiot? A smart businessman would provide the service and take the moeny. A business exists to generate a profit, not to cast moral judgment. Anyone who isn't a bad businessman would understand this simple fact.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#3040 Oct 23, 2013
They don't have the right to refuse service to a same sex wedding ritual; you don't have a problem with that restriction to religious liberty? Could they compel atheists as well as Christians to attend these ceremonies? What kind of freedom is that?

Same sex marriage is the death of freedom.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#3041 Oct 23, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
They don't have the right to refuse service to a same sex wedding ritual; you don't have a problem with that restriction to religious liberty? Could they compel atheists as well as Christians to attend these ceremonies? What kind of freedom is that?
Same sex marriage is the death of freedom.
but Brian, that is not religious liberty.

you can practice whatever bigoted cult practices you wish to in your cult's tax subsidized church. but when you play in the real world, you h to play by civilized societies rules. yes, all religious cults have to play by those same rules and even those of us not stupid enough to get sucked into your proven false religious cults have to abide by those same rules...

get down off your cross...use the wood to build a bridge, adn get the fuck over it, ya religious cult freak!

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#3042 Oct 23, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
They don't have the right to refuse service to a same sex wedding ritual; you don't have a problem with that restriction to religious liberty? Could they compel atheists as well as Christians to attend these ceremonies? What kind of freedom is that?
Same sex marriage is the death of freedom.
Are you reading-impaired, or learning-impaired?

Your homophobic business friends who were sued were not "attending the ceremony", they were chosen to provide a business service.

These business owners are normally NOT invited to attend or witness the ceremony itself.

They were not "guests" of the wedding party. They were caterers, or florists, etc.

Refusing their business service because the customers were homosexual IS AGAINST THE LAW.

“From a distance...”

Since: Apr 08

Planet Earth

#3043 Oct 23, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Atheists don't see a threat to religious liberty compelling vendors to attend religious rituals?
Individuals aren't being compelled to "attend religious rituals", Brian. BUSINESSES are required by law not to discriminate on the basis on several protected characteristics when offering their goods and services to the general public as a public accommodation. Sexual orientation is a protected characteristics in some states. Running a business is not an act of worship nor have businesses been ruled to have freedom of religion for that matter.

Why do you lie, Brian?
Brian_G wrote:
I don't want to discuss homosexuality; it has nothing to do with atheism.
Then you're in the wrong thread, Brian. The topic is "Atheism and Homosexuality"; there's nothing about religion or religious liberty in the topic title. Go post your crap somewhere else appropriate to the subject matter you wish to discuss.
Brian_G wrote:
There's nothing wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality
Then why do you advocate discrimination against and infringement of the fundamental rights of gays? Do you always seek to punish or harm those who you have nothing against?
Brian_G wrote:
so I'll debate same sex marriage on other threads.
Finally, you display some common sense.

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