Atheism and homosexuality

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Creationist scientists and creationist assert that the theory of evolution cannot account for the origin of gender and sexual reproduction.http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/136http://www.answersingenesis.org/pbs_nova/0928ep5.asp [[Creation Ministries International]] states: "Homosexual acts go against [[God]]'s original [[Intelligent design ... (more)

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Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#2502 Sep 12, 2013
DNF wrote:
Romans 13:1-5 ESV
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
Thanks for that.

Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and Mao instituted by the god of the Bible?

Interesting

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#2504 Sep 12, 2013
DNF wrote:
Yes we have, dozens of times. They are claiming their religion allows them to practice religious discrimination. Sort of like a pedophile claiming their rights are being violated when they are prosecuted for raping a child.
You don't have to believe in Christianity to think marriage is male/female; biology works equally well. Same sex marriage is more like "a pedophile claiming their rights are being violated when they are prosecuted"; after all, the basis of most of their legal argument is ill will from legislators who passed DOMA and other marriage protection laws. If an atheist baker refused to service a religious event; I'd respect his freedom to act as he believes. When will the government demand all military chaplains perform same sex weddings? When will this oppression end?

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#2505 Sep 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You don't have to believe in Christianity to think marriage is male/female;
Correct: you could also be a **muslim** bigot.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#2506 Sep 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You don't have to believe in Christianity to think marriage is male/female; biology works equally well.
Biology doesn't apply to marriage.
Brian_G wrote:
Same sex marriage is more like "a pedophile claiming their rights are being violated when they are prosecuted"
Except no children are harmed, ergo your analogy utterly surpasses the requirement to be an EPIC FAIL.

Or we can phrase things like this - Mixed race marriage is more like "a pedophile claiming their rights are being violated when they are prosecuted"
Brian_G wrote:
When will this oppression end?
When you stop violating other people's rights and respect the Constitution.

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#2507 Sep 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
The principle of freedom from being compelled to participate in a same sex wedding ceremony is the same for a Christian photographer as it would be for a liberal who refused to participate in a conservative political event.
Same sex marriage is anti-freedom.
Creationism is a weak and cowardly 2005 era political tool

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#2508 Sep 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You don't have to believe in Christianity to think....
This is how all religious propaganda start off...

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#2509 Sep 13, 2013
The Dude wrote:
Biology doesn't apply to marriage.
Do you have any proof biology has nothing to do with culture? How do you explain the universal male/female nature of marriage in every culture on Earth?

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The Dude wrote:
Except no children are harmed, ergo your analogy utterly surpasses the requirement to be an EPIC FAIL.
Every child raised by a same sex couple is raised either motherless or fatherless. If that's not harm, what is?

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The Dude wrote:
Or we can phrase things like this - Mixed race marriage is more like "a pedophile claiming their rights are being violated when they are prosecuted"
Race has nothing to do with gender; we still have men's rooms and women's rooms but no separate bathrooms for whites and blacks. Same sex marriage brings a new standard of sex segregation to previously integrated and diverse male/female marriage.

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The Dude wrote:
When you stop violating other people's rights and respect the Constitution.
When will you start using the Constitution instead of activist courts? We'll both start together.

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#2510 Sep 13, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
Creationism is a weak and cowardly 2005 era political tool
This dispute isn't over creationism; the issue is forcing Christian wedding services to participate in same sex weddings.

No state bans same sex weddings but not every citizen wants to participate. That's why same sex marriage supporters sue.

If you don't want to be sued, keep marriage one man and one woman.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#2511 Sep 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Do you have any proof biology has nothing to do with culture?
Culture is quite biological, in that ultimately it stems from our brains. Our brains are capable of coming up with abstract and arbitrary concepts such as marriage. Since gay marriage is one of them and is legal in many places, biology therefore supports gay marriage in the same way it supports straight marriage.
Brian_G wrote:
How do you explain the universal male/female nature of marriage in every culture on Earth?
Simple - you're lying. Since gay marriage is legal in many places. Also Earth is not the universe. So you're using words wrong. Also cultures change - sometimes they support gay marriage, sometimes they don't. However the fact is that culture, in the US anyway, is not allowed to dictate freedom.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Every child raised by a same sex couple is raised either motherless or fatherless. If that's not harm, what is?
Your statement is biologically impossible therefore your point is imaginary.
Brian_G wrote:
Race has nothing to do with gender; we still have men's rooms and women's rooms but no separate bathrooms for whites and blacks. Same sex marriage brings a new standard of sex segregation to previously integrated and diverse male/female marriage.
Blacks and whites used to be segregated. It took a change of culture to get around that. That's because 75% realised what they they were doing was wrong. The other 25 are still pining for the old days. The point stands that your denial of another group's freedoms could apply to any group. Which is why your promoting an illegal unConstitutional concept.

That would make you a traitor, yes?
Brian_G wrote:
When will you start using the Constitution instead of activist courts? We'll both start together.
I'm not using activist courts. This whine of yours is used only when reality disagrees with you which makes you lose court cases that should have never happened in the first place. You only have yourselves to blame.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#2512 Sep 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>This dispute isn't over creationism; the issue is forcing Christian wedding services to participate in same sex weddings.
No state bans same sex weddings but not every citizen wants to participate. That's why same sex marriage supporters sue.
If you don't want to be sued, keep marriage one man and one woman.
Yeah, you already said that you also want to deny people to sue others for bigoted hate attacks. So it's not just relationship rights you want to take away but also their right to address legitimate legal grievances.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#2513 Sep 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
The principle of freedom from being compelled to participate in a same sex wedding ceremony is the same for a Christian photographer as it would be for a liberal who refused to participate in a conservative political event.
Same sex marriage is anti-freedom.
Brian, you are suggesting that they can deny service upon the basis of their religious beliefs.

Could a jew deny service to Christians on the same theory? Of course not, that would be hateful and absurd.

Don't be an idiot.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#2514 Sep 13, 2013
lides wrote:
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Don't be an idiot.
Oh, it's much too late for **that**...

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#2515 Sep 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>This dispute isn't over creationism; the issue is forcing Christian wedding services to participate in same sex weddings.
No state bans same sex weddings but not every citizen wants to participate. That's why same sex marriage supporters sue.
If you don't want to be sued, keep marriage one man and one woman.
Creationism drives your political views on marriage - you can't fool us we've suffered your sh*t for thousands of years.

You're seeing a rude awakening in atheism today - because you've tried to lie for soooo long.

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#2516 Sep 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Do you have any proof biology has nothing to do with culture?
You need to study some more instead of sharing your stupid creationist halfwitted opinions about marriage.

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#2517 Sep 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'd defend a Jewish or black photographer who refused to participate in a Nazi rally or a KKK event. I'm against forcing people to violate their religious principles.
Obama Judge: Hijab Ban Violates Muslim Civil Rights
September 10, 2013
An Obama-appointed federal judge has handed the administration a major victory, ruling that a Muslim womanís civil rights were violated by an American clothing retailer that didnít allow her to wear a head scarf as required by her religion.
The lawsuit was filed by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), the federal agency that enforces the nationís workplace discrimination laws. In 2011 the agency sued the retail giant, Abercrombie & Fitch, accusing it of religious discrimination for firing 19-year-old Umme-Hani Khan for wearing a hijab at a northern California store. The company, which focuses on hip casual wear for consumers aged 18 to 22, has a policy against head covers of any kind for its employees....
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2013/09/oba...
If you cared so much about marriage, you would raise this issue in the Marriage forum.

But you come to the atheist forum instead - thats what I mean when I say you creationists are stupid and bad at propaganda for your cult.

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#2518 Sep 14, 2013
The Dude wrote:
...Your statement is biologically impossible therefore your point is imaginary....
T.D. doesn't believe it's possible for a child to be "raised either motherless or fatherless"? What do you call a child who's father or mother has left their family?

Same sex marriage is like a motherless son.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#2519 Sep 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>T.D. doesn't believe it's possible for a child to be "raised either motherless or fatherless"? What do you call a child who's father or mother has left their family?
Same sex marriage is like a motherless son.
Modern studies show that there is zero difference between two-gender parents raising kids, and same-gender parents.

The **key** factor? At least 2 parents.

In fact? Kids do **better** with two same-sex parents than they do with **single** parent families.

The gender of the parents does not appear to have any effect one way or the other-- so long as there are at least 2 of them.
LCNLin

United States

#2520 Sep 14, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for that.
Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and Mao instituted by the god of the Bible?
Interesting
Historical nonsense personified.
<laughing>
LCNLin

United States

#2521 Sep 14, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Modern studies show that there is zero difference between two-gender parents raising kids, and same-gender parents.
The **key** factor? At least 2 parents.
In fact? Kids do **better** with two same-sex parents than they do with **single** parent families.
The gender of the parents does not appear to have any effect one way or the other-- so long as there are at least 2 of them.
Which modern studies?

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#2522 Sep 15, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
Modern studies show that there is zero difference between two-gender parents raising kids, and same-gender parents. The **key** factor? At least 2 parents.
In fact? Kids do **better** with two same-sex parents than they do with **single** parent families. The gender of the parents does not appear to have any effect one way or the other-- so long as there are at least 2 of them.
If the statement above is true, would you have had the same upbringing if you didn't have a mother and father but had two mothers or two fathers instead?

Every child raised by a same sex couple is raised either motherless or fatherless.

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