Atheism and homosexuality

Atheism and homosexuality

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Creationist scientists and creationist assert that the theory of evolution cannot account for the origin of gender and sexual reproduction.http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/136http://www.answersingenesis.org/pbs_nova/0928ep5.asp [[Creation Ministries International]] states: "Homosexual acts go against [[God]]'s original [[Intelligent design ... (more)

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The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#2357 Sep 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>They are fined and threatened with imprisonment; that's force by court order. The road to fascism is labeled, "Equality".
Ad hom.

You know you ran out of arguments months ago, right?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#2358 Sep 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>No, Jesus didn't use the courts to compel participation in any ceremony.
Uh, no. He used the threat of eternal torture to compel participation in Abrahamic ceremony.(shrug)
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#2359 Sep 2, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would I need to disprove, that which you cannot provide proof of?
You are missing the point that Skippy has ALREADY claimed to have disproved it. When last I heard it was a non-falsifiable, and therefore non-scientific concept.

Therefore Skip is claiming it's scientific. Though falsified.
lides wrote:
Faith has no greater basis than belief. Pure and simple. It cannot be proven or disproven. If one starts making such an argument, they have lost track of the concept.
Bingo. And that's why Skippy the Skeptic has lost track of the concept. The concept being that of falsifiability, and how it pertains to the scientific method.

In other words he is a fundamentalist atheist. Something which is SUPPOSED to be ironic.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#2360 Sep 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
gender integrated marriage is a universal cultural model.
Not even close. It's not even a global cultural model.
Brian_G wrote:
The Bible describes marriage as male/female. My parents marriage was male/female; everybody's was. Man's law should recognize nature's law; that's why the state punishes criminals.
Nature's law does not outlaw homosexual marriage, period.

Nature quite frankly doesn't give a crud about the subject of marriage. Marriage is an arbitrary social construct for which you are using religious and anti-Constitutional excuses to oppose it for the sake of pandering to your votes.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>If marriage law is written on the principle, "People should live for what makes them happy", every sexual predilection should be enshrined in marriage law. Also, why should Muslims and fundamentalist Mormons be unhappy, banned from polygamy?
As long is it involves consenting adults then marriage should take them into account.
Brian_G wrote:
There's no gender equality right in the Constitution, because men and women differ.
Actually there is gender equality AND orientation equality in the Constitution BECAUSE the document doesn't discriminate. By this argument saying women have boobz is justification for denying them the right to vote.
Brian_G wrote:
Marriage is one reflection of human nature
As is homosexuality. Ergo the decision to oppose it is arbitrary.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#2361 Sep 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Your opinions, like that of all creationists are to be regarded as worthless until you can prove your god and disprove evolution.
Since that will never happen, the best course of action is to f*ck off.
Perhaps it would be better to respond to posts about science vs creationism with posts about science vs creationism, and respond to posts about gay marriage pros and cons with posts about gay marriage pros and cons.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#2362 Sep 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>No, since male/female marriage gives the benefit of procreation, it supersedes same sex marriage.
Marriage is not necessary for procreation. Also there are detriments to procreation.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#2363 Sep 2, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>A "free society" isn't supposed to include indecent exposure. There's a huge difference between not preferring the color red in your attire and showing your genitals in public. There are children who share this "free society" with us adults and they should not have to wear blinders to keep from seeing some creep's a-hole or penis while they are standing in line at a check out.
Anyone exposing themselves like that should be arrested. It's abusive to the rest of us.
To be fair in the case of nudity it's become a problem only because we have become such massive prudes about it. I'm not saying everyone should all get their ghoulies out all of a sudden, just saying that if we didn't shame ourselves and just be happy like all the other animals the whole problem about humanity's self-image would disappear.

If the religious nuts hadn't got all stuck up about it thousands of years ago then perhaps we wouldn't have all these taboos about nudity and the portrayal of sexuality.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#2364 Sep 2, 2013
Then again I suppose we should really blame evolution for this one. We lost our fur and had to cuddle up under snuggly woolly mammoth hides...

:-/

Hey, maybe that's why they're called hides?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#2365 Sep 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
You cant fool us creationist liar with nothing to back up your halfwitted opinions.
Climate change denial
Oh, dammit Skippy! Why do you have to upset the kittens?
LCNLin

United States

#2366 Sep 2, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I like the term **dogmatic**. It encompasses not just the religious nutcases but we can add marxists and fascists in there too. In milder form even those who think Ayn Rand was perfect or radical feminists.
They all think in a similar way regardless of WHAT they think. They have fallen for a non-falsifiable dogma where any any all possible phenomena are filtered through that dogma and no phenomenon could ever prove the dogma wrong.
How to avoid dogma? In a nutshell, do not accept non-falsifiable claims of Truth.
Yes!
Dogma is the enemy

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#2367 Sep 2, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Go boom.
Irony meter duz it.
Take that irony meter out of your a$$ for the last time and address the burden of proof you dishonest troll.

That's right you have no proof that god is possible, so s*ck it.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#2368 Sep 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>No, we mustn't "ban all marriages where children are not possible"; that's Bob's fascistic idea, not mine. I merely observed male/female marriage gives society a benefit same sex marriage can't provide.
Marriage and having kids is irrelevant.

We know this because people have been having kids for hundreds and hundreds of thousands of years before anybody thought up marriage.
Brian_G wrote:
Same sex marriage is like suing your christian neighbors if they decline to serve your wedding as florists, photographers or bakers. If you don't want to be sued, keep marriage one man and one woman.
It's nothing like that at all. If you don't want to be sued, either make marriage lawfully meaningless or allow same-sex marriage.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#2369 Sep 2, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps it would be better to respond to posts about science vs creationism with posts about science vs creationism, and respond to posts about gay marriage pros and cons with posts about gay marriage pros and cons.
Perhaps it would be better if you proved god was possible instead of pretending to be sound smart.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#2370 Sep 2, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes!
Dogma is the enemy
Says the creationist troll that wants us all to follow his halfwitted dogma and deny dinosaurs ever existed.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#2371 Sep 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Take that irony meter out of your a$$ for the last time and address the burden of proof you dishonest troll.
That's right you have no proof that god is possible, so s*ck it.
O hai Skip! I see you still haven't mustered up an argument yet. Ah well, maybe when Jesus comes back, eh?

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#2372 Sep 2, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
You have to understand the timing and the purpose of the Old Testament I am not a Bible expert, nor do I wish to pretend to be on online. When possible discuss with clergies of your liking. I recommend Rabbis for The Old Testament. Maybe you might wish to choose your religion accordingly. I have personally touched mine up. There are many good options out there. Best of Luck with your life choice.
I have discussed these things with various clergy from different denominations as well as with Rabbis.

You need to remember the saying about assuming.

I am a theosophical Christian Unitarian Universalist.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#2373 Sep 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Would you sue a black or Jewish photographer for refusing to support a KKK rally or a Nazi party commemoration?
If they did so based on race, religion, national origin, sex or sexual orientation, then in most places they could face criminal charges.

Now since I am not a member of the KKK or the Nazi party, I could not be suing the people you mentioned. I'd lack standing.

Your "what if's" don't make what these Christians did right, morally or legally.

Now about one of your favorite claims. How does SSM deny a child a mother and father? I have yet to meet a child that didn't have both. Have you?

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#2374 Sep 2, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I like the term **dogmatic**. It encompasses not just the religious nutcases but we can add marxists and fascists in there too. In milder form even those who think Ayn Rand was perfect or radical feminists.
They all think in a similar way regardless of WHAT they think. They have fallen for a non-falsifiable dogma where any any all possible phenomena are filtered through that dogma and no phenomenon could ever prove the dogma wrong.
How to avoid dogma? In a nutshell, do not accept non-falsifiable claims of Truth.
What the heck does, "In a nutshell, do not accept non-falsifiable claims of Truth" mean?

A non-falsifiable claim can't be false.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#2375 Sep 2, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
Brian, infertile heterosexual couples do give "society a benefit same sex marriage can't provide." Are you implying that those marriage are invalid, or otherwise should not exist?
Do you see how you just contradicted yourself.
<quoted text>
No, it's like suing those who break the law and discriminate against people based on their sexuality in jurisdictions where there are laws preventing such discrimination.
Why do you defend the lawbreaking criminals Brian?
Brian G also ignore the dozens of passages from the Bible that instruct us to obey civil laws. Most bigoted ChriSTAINS do the same.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#2376 Sep 2, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
Brian, infertile heterosexual couples do give "society a benefit same sex marriage can't provide." Are you implying that those marriage are invalid, or otherwise should not exist?
Do you see how you just contradicted yourself.
<quoted text>
No, it's like suing those who break the law and discriminate against people based on their sexuality in jurisdictions where there are laws preventing such discrimination.
Why do you defend the lawbreaking criminals Brian?
When the Bible, Qur'an or any religious text starts being used as a weapon, most of the good messages they contain gets lost. And in doing that the sacredness of those teachings as well as the sacredness of those texts and scriptures is destroyed.

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