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"Science vs. Religion: What Scientists Really Think"

There are 48864 comments on the Examiner.com story from Jan 22, 2012, titled "Science vs. Religion: What Scientists Really Think". In it, Examiner.com reports that:

It is fascinating to note that atheists boast that most scientists are atheists.

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“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#13746 Oct 25, 2012
hb=MD^2
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#13747 Oct 25, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
They age the same.
So in essence you have accounted for the previous acceleration for the shuttle and subtracted that from the reverse acceleration.

You have broken your own rule. Now you have two rules apparently:
1. the history of accelerations does not matter
2. the history of accelerations does matter

So which is it? You can not have it both ways even though you like shifting goal posts so much.
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#13748 Oct 25, 2012
Frisbee wrote:
Get your opinions peer-reviewed and published. THEN you can start making declarations about what is false.
That's what Einstein did to discredit Maxwell's 'Aether".
Put up or Shut up.
The Classical Theory of Nonlinear Universal Relativity is currently in the works. It requires no dark-magic from the dark-myth-god.
Frisbee wrote:
Logical enough argument for you?
BTW, your example is pretty much how GPS operates. The fact that GPS works kinda blows you out of the water.
Your argument falls flat on this:
The GPS satellites *accelerated* away from Earth. How come their atomic clocks are ticking faster and not slower?

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#13749 Oct 25, 2012
humble brother wrote:
<quoted text>
The Classical Theory of Nonlinear Universal Relativity is currently in the works. It requires no dark-magic from the dark-myth-god.
<quoted text>
Your argument falls flat on this:
The GPS satellites *accelerated* away from Earth. How come their atomic clocks are ticking faster and not slower?
Acceleration only dilates time substantially at very high velocities , it only deals in nano seconds at human capable speeds atm. However they are measurable. Gravity is an equal factor in real world time dilation , hence a satellites dilation due to gravity is less farther away from Earth's center, but its velocity adds dilation so the two are subtracted to maintain it's accuracy.

http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/As...
Frisbee

Seattle, WA

#13750 Oct 25, 2012
humble brother wrote:
Your argument falls flat on this:
The GPS satellites *accelerated* away from Earth. How come their atomic clocks are ticking faster and not slower?
Satellites don't accelerate away from Earth. If they did, they would break orbit. Satellites are actually FALLING tangentially to the surface.

But I digress. You aren't the first to be confused, you won't be the last.
First. Read up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox
humble brother wrote:
The Classical Theory of Nonlinear Universal Relativity is currently in the works.
Feel free to let us know the day it is published and peer-reviewed. The Scientific Method is NOT complete until you communicate your results and they stand up to scrutiny. Until that day, you have an UNTESTED, UNPROVEN, THEORY. You have a LOT of work to do before you can start running your mouth.

You also might want to change your name. Claiming that you're smarter than Albert Einstein and the thousands of other scientists who have verified his work, especially when you've got NO ACTUAL WORK to back your opinions up, isn't "Humble". It's supremely Arrogant.
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#13752 Oct 26, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
Acceleration only dilates time substantially at very high velocities , it only deals in nano seconds at human capable speeds atm. However they are measurable. Gravity is an equal factor in real world time dilation , hence a satellites dilation due to gravity is less farther away from Earth's center, but its velocity adds dilation so the two are subtracted to maintain it's accuracy.
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/As...
Thus rendering void the argument of this Frisbee character:

"BTW, your example is pretty much how GPS operates. The fact that GPS works kinda blows you out of the water."
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#13753 Oct 26, 2012
Frisbee wrote:
Satellites don't accelerate away from Earth. If they did, they would break orbit. Satellites are actually FALLING tangentially to the surface.

But I digress. You aren't the first to be confused, you won't be the last.
First. Read up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox
Well you made a glorious display of your own confusion there. Congratulations!

The GPS satellites were built on Earth. That means they once were on Earth and then accelerated away from Earth. Have you always believed that the GPS satellites appeared in their orbits by the means of magic?

As AuraMytha already pointed, there is significant gravitational time dilation difference between the surface of Earth and the satellites. This is why the satellite clocks are ticking faster.
Frisbee wrote:
Feel free to let us know the day it is published and peer-reviewed. The Scientific Method is NOT complete until you communicate your results and they stand up to scrutiny. Until that day, you have an UNTESTED, UNPROVEN, THEORY. You have a LOT of work to do before you can start running your mouth.
To summarize this for you:
You are waiting for someone else from the scientific community to tell you what to believe as you are incapable of your own rational selective thought processes. In other words you are a sheep waiting for the next order.
Frisbee wrote:
You also might want to change your name. Claiming that you're smarter than Albert Einstein and the thousands of other scientists who have verified his work, especially when you've got NO ACTUAL WORK to back your opinions up, isn't "Humble". It's supremely Arrogant.
I have not made any such claims. I am simply explaining to you simple logic. Your problem is that you religiously cling to some beliefs while not being able to produce your own rational thinking. You look to others to tell you what to believe.

“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

Banbury, UK

#13754 Oct 26, 2012
Telephoto warping is a new drive i am working on, it has over a zillion pixels digitally re mastered sound everything that blue-ray offers but with more options: for gaming reality starts here.

I was playing around with a telephoto lens when a message suddenly struck me if only i could warp the image, what about if i could warp the whole movie.

Then i realise that it was mathematically possible to climb into the movie itself something like inter play with the surrounding matrix of the movies picture setting.

The characters could become shoot them up heroes.
Frisbee

Seattle, WA

#13755 Oct 27, 2012
humble brother wrote:
You are waiting for someone else from the scientific community to tell you what to believe as you are incapable of your own rational selective thought processes.
Not someone else. EVERYONE else.
Go ahead and let us know when you've got peer review consensus on your published thoughts.
Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
You've got nothing, junior. You're all hat, no cattle.

By the way, The Scientific Method is the definition of rational selective thought processes.

Your failure is that you arrogantly rely on your own suppositions that can't be supported. I humbly rely on what has been tested, challenged, and stood up to scrutiny.
You aren't smarter than everyone. Quite the opposite. They've got a few openings down at the Gran Sasso Lab for geniuses of your caliber, you should give them a call.
Frisbee

Seattle, WA

#13756 Oct 27, 2012
[QUOTE who="humble brother]I have not made any such claims..[/QUOTE]You most certainly have. At least be enough of a man to admit it.
Simple logic says that Einstein is right and you're a kook.
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#13757 Nov 2, 2012
Frisbee wrote:
Not someone else. EVERYONE else.
You look to everyone else to tell you what to believe?

So you admit that you don't have your own rational selective thought processes for choosing your own beliefs?:D
Frisbee wrote:
By the way, The Scientific Method is the definition of rational selective thought processes.
So do you apply the scientific method in your own search for what is true and what is false or do you just believe what people tell you?
Frisbee wrote:
I humbly rely on what has been tested, challenged, and stood up to scrutiny.
How do you know anything has been tested and stood up to the scrutiny?
Frisbee wrote:
Your failure is that you arrogantly rely on your own suppositions that can't be supported.
What do you think I have said that can not be supported?
Frisbee wrote:
You most certainly have. At least be enough of a man to admit it.
Simple logic says that Einstein is right and you're a kook.
Now be kind enough and point to any post of mine where I have done what you claim I have done.

Do you have anything?

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#13758 Nov 7, 2012
Frisbee wrote:
You're all hat, no cattle.
Don't bother is my advice. HB will never understand how wrong he is, or why. His brain is a perfect circle.
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#13759 Nov 7, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
Don't bother is my advice. HB will never understand how wrong he is, or why. His brain is a perfect circle.
Look, you came back with more opinions and assertions.. Once again your comments are void of logical argumentation.

Why do you think that someone should care about your opinions?
Do you enjoy when you share beliefs with someone and you can both pat each other on the back?

You're hilarious.
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#13760 Nov 22, 2012
Here is a video less than two minutes, simple and total falsification of the Theory of Relativity:



Transfers the Theory of Relativity to the category of religion for those who still cling to it while having no understanding.

I would be happy to see any kind of actual logical arguments from anyone who finds the energy to go against this.
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#13761 Nov 22, 2012
That's so funny,-Skeptic- is again leaving his stamps on the posts.

I wonder what it feels like to be totally unable to present a logical argument due to lack of understanding and still cling to oppose.

That's called religious thinking by the way :)

Keep leaving the stamps, it shows me that you're reading the posts...
_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#13762 Nov 23, 2012
humble brother wrote:
That's so funny,-Skeptic- is again leaving his stamps on the posts.
I wonder what it feels like to be totally unable to present a logical argument due to lack of understanding and still cling to oppose.
That's called religious thinking by the way :)
Keep leaving the stamps, it shows me that you're reading the posts...
24Nov12.....

.....Why don'tCha explain to haul da udder posters vhy yer moniker is in 'BLACK'!!!!!

Dat otta be interestin', ya prick.

Ps:.....BobLoblah nose vhy tooooooo.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

Since: May 12

Woodland Hills, CA

#13763 Nov 27, 2012
Peru_Serv wrote:
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In your post you claim that scientists are more likely to be atheists. I disagree, rather I think it is far more likely that atheists prefer to be scientists.
I believe it was Richard Dawkins that said that Darwin made it possible to be "an intellectually fulfilled atheist." Would it be surprising, therefore, that those who are already predisposed to atheism (for whatever reason) gravitate towards a career in the sciences?
I think it goes both ways. Atheists in general might gravitate towards jobs in science, but also there are those within the religious community who take an interest in it as well and choose to go into a field of interest and I think as they learn more about it, more often then not they start to realize how inaccurate religion is.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#13764 Nov 27, 2012
humble brother wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, you came back with more opinions and assertions.. Once again your comments are void of logical argumentation.
You're a reality-denying YEC fundie who thinks people are hellbound for daring to disagree with your baseless religious opinions. Your dumbosity will always catch up with you.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#13765 Nov 27, 2012
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Your dumbosity will always catch up with you.
Yes, first hand experience is a bitch isn't it?
_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#13766 Nov 28, 2012
29Nov12..........The son of da Reverend Jesse Jackson SR., Jesse Jackson JR. has resigned his senatorship withing the US of A senate. Jackson has indicated in his resignation that he has done some wrong things, but he is resigning mainly because he has been diagnosed as being Bi-Polar. Bullschidt. Jackson JR. is being investigated for corruption and things are 'heating UP'. Daddy won't gett'em OFF this time. Jackson JR. is the spawn of the biggest LIAR and Crook in the US of A and a former Black Panter to boot. Where in the hell did this pack of wolves get the untold millions that they have in the bank!!!!!....They most certainly do NOT have the education to have earned that amount legimately. BobLoblah wouldn't trust these maggots as far as BobLoblah could toss'em. Ps:....and may they rot in hell to which they so well belong. Forever and Ever BobLoblah

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