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"Science vs. Religion: What Scientists Really Think"

There are 48718 comments on the Examiner.com story from Jan 22, 2012, titled "Science vs. Religion: What Scientists Really Think". In it, Examiner.com reports that:

It is fascinating to note that atheists boast that most scientists are atheists.

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“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#13395 Sep 2, 2012
humble brother wrote:
<quoted text>
Now give a quote where it says that any one of these people claim that they have direct observations of "black holes" instead of babbling about evidence supporting the "black hole" hypothesis.
You babble and babble and pile up hypotheses on top of hypotheses. That means that what you have is HYPOTHETICAL.
<quoted text>
All hypothetical. You seem to like quoting blogs :D
Your problem is that black holes can not be observed. You have a circular argument:
1. the gravity model does not work without black holes
2. black holes exist because gravitational behavior of galaxies says so
This is a funny quote from one of your links:
"Even more odd, these new black holes were found in the cores of glittering, "beehive" swarms of stars called globular star clusters, which orbit our Milky Way and other galaxies."
They observe glittering swarms of stars that falsify the gravity model -> therefore unobservable magical black holes :)
Give up already. You are a highly religious person clinging to the dark-myth-god.

You're an idiot, and that's a fact.
Oh look here comes blob to your rescue. You should twirl around good now making gravity out of the blob spinning around in your new model and all. There is no religious inclination to these observations dimwit , BH's have been observed by their effects and physical phenomenon there nothing magical or religious about that fact. But you have surely exposed yourself now.

The curious thing here humble is BH's were discovered long long after the effects of gravity were pegged by Newton. We have learned tons about them since their existence has been confirmed.
The fact that they are still mysterious does not change what we know , but it does present us with new science to learn.

The pitiful thing with you is , that if you had made any sort of dynamic discovery it sure isn't making science headlines around the world with posts here. It serves only to amuse a half lunatic and religious crowd and a scant few scientists. Other than that
your bold claims are presented with nothing but childish boasts and nothing that shows you have done anything but la la la.

Have a nice argument with yourself from now on you are hardly worth the discussion , your total rejection of all known science is very telling ,in the fact that in order to accept what you say you have to totally trash everything that is learned from 500 years of study of the universe.

I don't think anyone ever tried that before not since Newton gave us real values to work with. But these no longer mean anything because you have changed the course of scientific history from posts here in topix. That's just well there's not even words to describe that type arrogant and blatant stupidity.

humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#13396 Sep 2, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
You're an idiot, and that's a fact.
Oh look here comes blob to your rescue. You should twirl around good now making gravity out of the blob spinning around in your new model and all. There is no religious inclination to these observations dimwit , BH's have been observed by their effects and physical phenomenon there nothing magical or religious about that fact. But you have surely exposed yourself now.
The curious thing here humble is BH's were discovered long long after the effects of gravity were pegged by Newton. We have learned tons about them since their existence has been confirmed.
The fact that they are still mysterious does not change what we know , but it does present us with new science to learn.
The pitiful thing with you is , that if you had made any sort of dynamic discovery it sure isn't making science headlines around the world with posts here. It serves only to amuse a half lunatic and religious crowd and a scant few scientists. Other than that
your bold claims are presented with nothing but childish boasts and nothing that shows you have done anything but la la la.
Have a nice argument with yourself from now on you are hardly worth the discussion , your total rejection of all known science is very telling ,in the fact that in order to accept what you say you have to totally trash everything that is learned from 500 years of study of the universe.
I don't think anyone ever tried that before not since Newton gave us real values to work with. But these no longer mean anything because you have changed the course of scientific history from posts here in topix. That's just well there's not even words to describe that type arrogant and blatant stupidity.
Stop whining. Science must be based on observable facts.

Answer this question honestly with one word:
Can these observable scientific facts be falsifiable in your view? Yes or no?

Show us all that you are not religious and give us a direct one word answer. My bet is on you not being able to, prove me wrong!
leMango

Naperville, IL

#13397 Sep 2, 2012
humble brother wrote:
Ah... I feel good :)
Three days worth of work adapting my environment and simulating orbits via different gravitational mechanics.
Good news. F=(M+m)²/d² is victorious!!!!!!!
This is insanely awesome!!!:)
I ran simulations spanning across ~1000 Earth years mainly inspecting the orbit of Halley's comet. The new model requires elliptical orbiters to have constant energy state to match observations so within the model Halley's comet has the same energy state as Earth and all the other planets.
The hilarious outcome of the simulations:
F=(M+m)²/d² produces orbital paths almost to the letter the same as F=GMm/r².
The models agree!!!!:D
Man I have had a good time doing this work... And I need to do some more now that I'm having so much fun.
I will be releasing source code that can be used to compare the orbital paths produced by the Newtonian model and the new nonlinear model.
I'd be very interested to see that source code. When are you going to be releasing it?
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#13398 Sep 2, 2012
leMango wrote:
I'd be very interested to see that source code. When are you going to be releasing it?
Reasonably soon I think, not immediately though. I will also not be releasing the whole 3D graphics engine, I will clean it down to simple OpenGL rendering of spheres without shaders and I will remove all code unused by the trivial example. The goal is to keep the focus on the gravity part which definitely is not much code at all.

I've been developing my graphics/simulation environment on Macbook Air so the release will include a ready to run Xcode project with the simplified source code for simple gravity experiments. I've actually had a lot of fun simply trying some extreme gravitational situations and seeing the celestial objects perform extremely weird maneuvers :)

If you are only interested in the gravity part then there's not much to it. I can share that right away. Hopefully the code remains reasonably readable on this forum:

// m = M²/(v²d - M)
// a =(M²/m + M)/ d²
Vertex OpenGLScene::GravityNonlinear( Object* oa, Object* ob)
{
float& M = oa->energy_state;
float& m = ob->energy_state;
if (m == 0.0f || M == 0.0f) return Vertex();

Vertex dv = ob->g_pos - oa->g_pos;
float d2 = dv.Length2();
float a =(M*M/m + M)/ d2;
dv.Normalize2(a, d2); // normalize and scale with a

return dv;
}

// F = ma = GMm / r²
// a = GM / r²
#define G 0.0000000000667428f
Vertex OpenGLScene::GravityNewton(Obj ect* oa, Object* ob)
{
float& M = oa->mass;
float& m = ob->mass;
if (m == 0.0f || M == 0.0f) return Vertex();

Vertex dv = ob->g_pos - oa->g_pos;
float r2 = dv.Length2();
float a = G*M/r2;
dv.Normalize2(a, r2); // normalize and scale with a

return dv;
}

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#13399 Sep 2, 2012
Release some hogwash after all your a hog , and its a wash.
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#13400 Sep 3, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
Release some hogwash after all your a hog , and its a wash.
That's the spirit. Show everyone here how religious you are.
_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#13402 Sep 4, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
Release some hogwash after all your a hog , and its a wash.
05Sep12.....

.....You are full of schidt to the eyeballs.

Ps:.....BobLoblah 'Really & Truly' believes dat when it comes to you, there's more brains in a bottle of wadda.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#13403 Sep 4, 2012
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>05Sep12.....
.....You are full of schidt to the eyeballs.
Ps:.....BobLoblah 'Really & Truly' believes dat when it comes to you, there's more brains in a bottle of wadda.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
I still haven't seen your answer to my question below. Since you ignored it the last SEVENTEEN times http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... , I will ask you a EIGHTEENTH time:

[1] Would you recommend that the mother of adolescent boys join the Catholic church, let her sons become altar boys, and allow them to spend unsupervised time with Catholic priests?

Go ahead and say what you believe. Say, "Yes, bring your boys to the nearest Catholic church and leave them alone with a priest." I'd love a chance to reply to that. It's not like your every avoidance of this post doesn't already scream volumes.

Now I'm going to add a second question:

[2] If your church is a known international pedophilic sex syndicate, and you give it money, doesn't that make you en enabler of sexual crimes against children, like somebody who purchases kiddie porn? Aren't you actually underwriting it?

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#13404 Sep 4, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> No sir , black holes are not hypothetical.
They are well known and it has been established the fact of their existence. The tracks of stars have been documented to orbit around invisible gravity sources. Do you think there are poles in space stars just decide to race around?
Don't you get it? Black holes are...well...BLACK, see. Therefore we cannot "observe them" in Humblebro logic. Therefore we should regard them as merely hypothetical. Perhaps even myths, just like dark matter must be a myth because we cannot "see" it.

The man is mad, and continuing to argue with pure madmen is madness itself. Though sometimes good for a laugh.
_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#13405 Sep 4, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I still haven't seen your answer to my question below. Since you ignored it the last SEVENTEEN times http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... , I will ask you a EIGHTEENTH time:
[1] Would you recommend that the mother of adolescent boys join the Catholic church, let her sons become altar boys, and allow them to spend unsupervised time with Catholic priests?
Go ahead and say what you believe. Say, "Yes, bring your boys to the nearest Catholic church and leave them alone with a priest." I'd love a chance to reply to that. It's not like your every avoidance of this post doesn't already scream volumes.
Now I'm going to add a second question:
[2] If your church is a known international pedophilic sex syndicate, and you give it money, doesn't that make you en enabler of sexual crimes against children, like somebody who purchases kiddie porn? Aren't you actually underwriting it?
05Sep12.....

......Every dime you pay some form of 'tax', and when it gets distributed by your government, included in the distribution are those who are on da 'dole' which includes many paedophiles as well. Are you Not an enabler of sexual crimes against children???like somebody who purchases kiddie porn???Aren't you actually underwriting it???.....

....or are you already on da 'dole' and cornHoling youngsters because of your paedolphia!!!

Ps:.....You remain fulla schidt to the eyeballs.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#13406 Sep 4, 2012
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>05Sep12.....
......Every dime you pay some form of 'tax', and when it gets distributed by your government, included in the distribution are those who are on da 'dole' which includes many paedophiles as well. Are you Not an enabler of sexual crimes against children???like somebody who purchases kiddie porn???Aren't you actually underwriting it???.....
....or are you already on da 'dole' and cornHoling youngsters because of your paedolphia!!!
Ps:.....You remain fulla schidt to the eyeballs.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Fascinating.

Now answer the questions:

I still haven't seen your answer to my questions below. Since you ignored it the last nineTEEN times http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... , I will ask you a TWENTIETH time:

[1] Would you recommend that the mother of adolescent boys join the Catholic church, let her sons become altar boys, and allow them to spend unsupervised time with Catholic priests?

[2] If your church is a known international pedophilic sex syndicate, and you give it money, doesn't that make you en enabler of sexual crimes against children, like somebody who purchases kiddie porn? Aren't you actually underwriting it?

And it's a pleasure doing business with you. I've keelhauled your disgusting religion twenty times now waiting for an answer.
Martin Williams

Atlanta, GA

#13407 Sep 4, 2012
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>05Sep12.....
......Every dime you pay some form of 'tax', and when it gets distributed by your government, included in the distribution are those who are on da 'dole' which includes many paedophiles as well. Are you Not an enabler of sexual crimes against children???like somebody who purchases kiddie porn???Aren't you actually underwriting it???.....
....or are you already on da 'dole' and cornHoling youngsters because of your paedolphia!!!
Ps:.....You remain fulla schidt to the eyeballs.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Please answer IANS' questions.
_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#13408 Sep 4, 2012
Martin Williams wrote:
<quoted text>
Please answer IANS' questions.
05Sep12.....

.....and just vhy is your moniker in 'Black'!!!!!!!!!

Ps:.....Have you been banned so often dat you just cannot keep up with making accounts to keep you into Topix Forums as a REAL member?????

You, too, are full of schidt to the eyeballs.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#13409 Sep 4, 2012
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
.Every dime you pay some form of 'tax', and when it gets distributed by your government, included in the distribution are those who are on da 'dole' which includes many paedophiles as well. Are you Not an enabler of sexual crimes against children???like somebody who purchases kiddie porn???Aren't you actually underwriting it???
Yes, I would be underwriting any atrocities committed or facilitated by my tax dollars.

Do you think choosing to give dollars to pedophile priests is the same as paying taxes that will be taken by force if not paid?

And what would you tell a mother who asked you if it's safe to leave her three boys alone with Catholic priests for extended and unsupervised periods?

You're ashamed of your church, aren't you? Good for you. It's the only sign of decency you've ever demonstrated on these threads, so I commend that.

You should be ashamed of that church, and mad at it, too. Look at what it's done to all of those boys. And look at what it's done to you here. You didn't screw those kids, so why should you have to take the heat, huh? Why should you have to repeatedly field these embarrassing questions just because you're Catholic? Where are the priests?

They take your money every week. You should think about that.
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#13410 Sep 4, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
Don't you get it? Black holes are...well...BLACK, see. Therefore we cannot "observe them" in Humblebro logic. Therefore we should regard them as merely hypothetical. Perhaps even myths, just like dark matter must be a myth because we cannot "see" it.
The man is mad, and continuing to argue with pure madmen is madness itself. Though sometimes good for a laugh.
You came back to babble some more nonsense.

Black holes are hypothetical. Black holes are supposed to be evidence supporting your beloved gravity models. You have hypothetical evidence of your hypothetical model. This whole system of yours is nonsense.

It is ok to hypothesize about black holes. Just try to understand that those hypotheses can not be regarded as evidence supporting another hypothesis (e.g. your gravity). Science can not utilize evidence of evidence. Science can only use direct observable evidence.

Real *observable* evidence has already falsified the Newtonian / Einsteinian models in terms of science. What you have left is pseudoscience.

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#13411 Sep 4, 2012
humble brother wrote:
<quoted text>
You came back to babble some more nonsense.
Black holes are hypothetical. Black holes are supposed to be evidence supporting your beloved gravity models. You have hypothetical evidence of your hypothetical model. This whole system of yours is nonsense.
It is ok to hypothesize about black holes. Just try to understand that those hypotheses can not be regarded as evidence supporting another hypothesis (e.g. your gravity). Science can not utilize evidence of evidence. Science can only use direct observable evidence.
Real *observable* evidence has already falsified the Newtonian / Einsteinian models in terms of science. What you have left is pseudoscience.

Despite your best attempts you never even succeeded to dent the armor. We raised our eyebrows for a second , you deserved that.
Now you must admit defeat or publish your hypothesis.

We ain't holding our breath.

Time marches on and the Dark matter mystery continues.
Your nails are getting short, stay tuned for the next episode.
Same Bat Time.........

Same Bat Channel.....

/\;VvvV;/\
humble brother

Helsinki, Finland

#13412 Sep 4, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
Despite your best attempts you never even succeeded to dent the armor. We raised our eyebrows for a second , you deserved that.
Well, I don't care about your opinions. For me logic dictates, opinions are absolutely worthless.
Aura Mytha wrote:
Now you must admit defeat
:D your logical arguments are out so you cling to faith.
Aura Mytha wrote:
or publish your hypothesis
.

Oh it's coming alright.
Aura Mytha wrote:
We ain't holding our breath.
Yes, breathe in and out and try to detach from your emotions. Try to let logic dictate your thoughts.
Aura Mytha wrote:
Time marches on and the Dark matter mystery continues.
Your nails are getting short, stay tuned for the next episode.
Same Bat Time.........
Same Bat Channel.....
/\;VvvV;/\
Funny what your posts here have turned into.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#13413 Sep 4, 2012
_BobLoblah_ wrote:
<quoted text>03Sep12.....
.....and GOD caused it ALL.
Ps:...and den sum.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
Bob is just a Poe
KJV

United States

#13414 Sep 5, 2012
"Chimney1 wrote:

Don't you get it? Black holes are...well...BLACK, see. Therefore we cannot "observe them" in Humblebro logic. Therefore we should regard them as merely hypothetical. Perhaps even myths, just like dark matter must be a myth because we cannot "see" it.
The man is mad, and continuing to argue with pure madmen is madness itself. Though sometimes good for a laugh."

"Don't you get it? Black holes are...well...BLACK, see. Therefore we cannot "observe them""

We can and do observe black holes.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#13415 Sep 6, 2012
KJV wrote:
"Chimney1 wrote:
Don't you get it? Black holes are...well...BLACK, see. Therefore we cannot "observe them" in Humblebro logic. Therefore we should regard them as merely hypothetical. Perhaps even myths, just like dark matter must be a myth because we cannot "see" it.
The man is mad, and continuing to argue with pure madmen is madness itself. Though sometimes good for a laugh."
"Don't you get it? Black holes are...well...BLACK, see. Therefore we cannot "observe them""
We can and do observe black holes.
Only indirectly. We observe the effects of a black hole not the black hole itself.

The effort continues:
http://www.haystack.mit.edu/ast/uvlbi/mm/eht....

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