let's make fun of atheists

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#21 May 8, 2013
Libertarian wrote:
If any believer can tell me why he/she has chosen one god over one of the thousands of others to worship i'd be interested.
Red Herring.

You are presenting a fraudulent choice between believing a god exists and rejecting other proposed gods.

There is no such required choice. What you propose as various god-choices are only ideas or characterizations of god.

One can rightly believe god exists, and also believe that NONE of the proposed descriptions are correct.

In fact, if believing a god exist, this is probably the most rational choice. Describing or characterizing a concept of a god immediately limits it.

Hope this is helpful, but I doubt you will get it.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#22 May 8, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
Difference between Atheist and Theist answers to the mystery of the Universe.
Atheist-We believe in what can be proved by science.
Theist-Zap,God/s did it. He/they will torture you if you don't accept that statement as fact.
The average atheist would say that we have theories, with some evidence, though there is room for error.
I, for one, always leave room for error.
That's the difference between a theist and an atheist.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#23 May 8, 2013
Libertarian wrote:
Give it your best shot. We have confidence in what we believe because....guess what ... we have proof.
If you apparently powerful god is scared of us he's hardly worth worshipping is he?
If you believers are so threatened by people who dont believe the same as you that is your problem.
If you know your god is real, you wouldnt care about any criticism. But funnily enough the more people are education the more danger to their faith.
Believers attack because they are scared they might be wrong.
If any believer can tell me why he/she has chosen one god over one of the thousands of others to worship i'd be interested. Or if anyone admitted believing in a god that had different opinions to theirs.That would be pretty amazing.
You should change that second-to-last sentence to:
"If any believer can tell me,***with a valid reason other than "this one is real,"*** why he/she has chosen one god over one of the thousands of others to worship i'd be interested."

“Think&Care”

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#24 May 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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According to science, specifically cosmology, the universe WAS created.
Wrong.
Anything that begins to exist was created.
False
If the universe exists, it began to exist.
Self-contradictory.
If you are correct, the universe does not exist, and you do not exist.
That makes it problematic for you being correct.
Moron.
Wrong.

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#25 May 8, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Wrong.
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False
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Self-contradictory.
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Wrong.
So you wish to lose this argument again?

You can contort your science into a pretzel to invoke a beginingless universe, but you will lose again.

It is impossible.

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#26 May 8, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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The average atheist would say that we have theories, with some evidence, though there is room for error.
I, for one, always leave room for error.
That's the difference between a theist and an atheist.
Theists and atheists have this in common - they are captivated by the idea of god.

Amused

Princeton, MA

#27 May 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Theists and atheists have this in common - they are captivated by the idea of god.
No. I'm captivated by the idea that the world would be a better place if people stopped having wars to settle the question of whose imaginary friend is better, stopped persecuting people different from them because an old book confirms their prejudices, saying their god hates the very same people they do. I'm captivated by the idea of a world where the world leaders were not heavily influenced in their decision making by ancient superstitions. I'm captivated by the idea of living in a world where those who choose to believe such things were free to do so, but not free to legislate their beliefs into laws for believers and unbelievers alike, nor to simply assume that everyone shares their beliefs and that it is therefore fine to structure ceremonies intended to be open to everyone with observances of their religion built into the fabric of the event.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#28 May 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Theists and atheists have this in common - they are captivated by the idea of god.
Really, so you speak for atheists?
You are a fundie theist, you know nothing about atheists.

Sure, it's a nice thought, to have a god and have it magically do everything. It's an unsupported idea though, there is not a shred of evidence for a god.

Same thing as telekinesis, it's cool to think about it and it would be very cool to have it, but don't go thinking that you can move things with your mind when you can't.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#29 May 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Theists and atheists have this in common - they are captivated by the idea of god.
This is improvement. You are now calling God an idea. Maybe an admission that such an entity is imaginary?

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#30 May 8, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Nope. Your god cannot possibly exist.
Quantum Mechanics proves beyond a doubt, that an omniscient god cannot co-exist with our universe.
Since QM has long since been proven true? More support than most science, in fact?
That proves your god IS NOT true at all!
Sorry, but that's the fact-jack.
Show me this evidence, instead of blabbering there is evidence to disprove God.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#31 May 8, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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Really, so you speak for atheists?
You are a fundie theist, you know nothing about atheists.
Sure, it's a nice thought, to have a god and have it magically do everything. It's an unsupported idea though, there is not a shred of evidence for a god.
Same thing as telekinesis, it's cool to think about it and it would be very cool to have it, but don't go thinking that you can move things with your mind when you can't.
But there is evidence for Jesus, because he was a real person.
Amused

Princeton, MA

#32 May 8, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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But there is evidence for Jesus, because he was a real person.
Not so much. The 4 gospels, accounts of his supposed life, were not written down until many years after the events recounted. The writers of the gospels were not eyewitnesses and wrote from the accounts of others, which had been passed down through the years.

Likewise, there are no contemporaneous accounts from Roman or Jewish sources. Tacitus and Josephus were both born after the time of Jesus, and they did not write from personal knowledge, but from second-hand or even more remote accounts.

The Romans were compulsive record-keepers, yet there are no Roman records of the execution of Jesus.

And, of course, none of the 'miracles' attributed to Jesus were of such a character as to leave a permanent proof of their occurrence. I suppose that's not surprising, since multiple bible verses attribute to Jesus a promise to return within the lifetime of some of those who saw him in person. Perhaps if you could locate one of those 2,000 year old witnesses who are apparently wandering about the Middle East, still alive, you could get a witness statement.
Cujo

Leask, Canada

#33 May 8, 2013
Man, CK sure did title this topic wrong. The only one being made fun of, is him.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#34 May 8, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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The average atheist would say that we have theories, with some evidence, though there is room for error.
I, for one, always leave room for error.
That's the difference between a theist and an atheist.
The average atheist would make fun of religion, until religion says stop making fun of us, then you atheists say we are suddenly being rude. Go make fun of a goat for all we care
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#35 May 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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According to science, specifically cosmology, the universe WAS created.
Anything that begins to exist was created.
If the universe exists, it began to exist.
If you are correct, the universe does not exist, and you do not exist.
That makes it problematic for you being correct.
Moron.
Ah, those good ole word games Bucky likes to play. Of course it depends on the context of how the word "create" is used.

For example hydrogen and oxygen can combine to "create" water. A perfectly natural everyday occurrence which, as far as can be scientifically determined, requires no intelligent intervention.

Or there is the other way of using it. As in metal can be combined to "create" a car. An artificial occurrence requiring intelligent intervention.

So the premise is the universe was created. That's cool. By saying the universe is created theists automatically imply an intelligent cause. However non-believers don't presume an intelligence to be a necessary factor.

But it's not surprising that simple words sometimes can be quite charged on a forum full of theists and atheists disagreeing with each other.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#36 May 8, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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So you wish to lose this argument again?
You can contort your science into a pretzel to invoke a beginingless universe, but you will lose again.
It is impossible.
In that case then a beginningless God is impossible. Cue Bucky hypocrisy while avoiding the fact we have evidence of the existence of the universe while zero for (a) God.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#37 May 8, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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Show me this evidence, instead of blabbering there is evidence to disprove God.
No such thing as evidence against non-falsifiable concepts. Just like there's no such thing as evidence against the FSM, IPU or Cosmic Sheep.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#38 May 8, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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But there is evidence for Jesus, because he was a real person.
But not the Jesus in your bible.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#39 May 8, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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The average atheist would make fun of religion, until religion says stop making fun of us, then you atheists say we are suddenly being rude. Go make fun of a goat for all we care
Really, and who's the one who started this thread, trying to make fun of atheists?

Oh look, how unpredictable, you're a hypocrite on top of being an idiot!
Amused

Princeton, MA

#40 May 8, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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But there is evidence for Jesus, because he was a real person.
Right you are! When I left for work this morning, the lawn was overgrown and the shrubbery misshapen. When I came home, the grass was cut neatly, the cuttings that landed on the walkway were cleaned up and the shrubs were trimmed. Jesus and Manuel had most definitely left evidence of their existence behind.

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