“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#123 Aug 23, 2011
madscot wrote:
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It's not as bad I let on but you definitely don't put an atheist bumper sticker on your car around here.
Not unless you own a tire company, and a paint-and-body shop...

... and a glass company....

... to repair the weekly vandalism.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#124 Aug 23, 2011
EMS Servant wrote:
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Some Christians clearly need to read the scripture.
Thou shalt not kill.
There is a verse about using the same tongue you use to praise God to curse your brother who is made in God's image
There is a verse stating if you hate your brother you are a murderer.
Most importantly...love one another.
How do people get so misled?
.... seriously?

You did notice it was a Fox News site, right?

<huge grin, here>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#125 Aug 23, 2011
EMS Servant wrote:
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Antifreeze also contains methanol..2-8oz can kill an adult. Almost a quarter of the bottle was gone...oh yeah; he should have been too. At the very least he should have had massive brain damage...none. Vision loss...it also plays havoc on your kidneys; renal function was fine. The doctors all agree, this guy shouldn't be alive today. Ya know the reason he tried to kill himself? med school was getting him too stressed and his GF broke up with him. Now he's back in med school.
It's a known fact that sometimes people survive things they shouldn't have.
http://www.oddee.com/item_96746.aspx Here are some good ones.
Not all humans have toxic reactions to methanol-- about 1 out of 7 can tolerate large amounts of it, and not suffer the usual deadly toxic effects.

The USSR Air Force proved this, when they started using de-natured alcohol as wing-de-icer fluid in the MIG27 fighter.

The ground crews had been accustomed to drinking the pure ethanol used previously, and continued to drink the methanol-mixture.

Many died, before word got around, but some did not.

Your patient could have been one of the no toxic effects sort.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#126 Aug 23, 2011
EMS Servant wrote:
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There is no denying though that this guy should not be alive today, at least not without being blind and/or heavily brain damaged. The metabolites that are produced when you consume antifreeze are extremely lethal. To say that your body would be out of homeostasis is a gross understatement. As I said before metabolic acidosis is a huge concern and there is no way a human body could possibly buffer all that.
Not to every one, universally.

“Proverbs 12:16”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#127 Aug 23, 2011
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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.... seriously?
You did notice it was a Fox News site, right?
<huge grin, here>
I mean the people posting those nasty comments...that's horrible.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#128 Aug 23, 2011
EMS Servant wrote:
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Antifreeze also contains methanol..2-8oz can kill an adult. Almost a quarter of the bottle was gone...oh yeah; he should have been too. At the very least he should have had massive brain damage...none. Vision loss...it also plays havoc on your kidneys; renal function was fine. The doctors all agree, this guy shouldn't be alive today. Ya know the reason he tried to kill himself? med school was getting him too stressed and his GF broke up with him. Now he's back in med school.
It's a known fact that sometimes people survive things they shouldn't have.
http://www.oddee.com/item_96746.aspx Here are some good ones.
None of that counts as some sort of supernatural miracle.

Its just a fortunate set of variables that came together and he survived.

I knew a guy in the Army that was in a place he shouldn't have been, inadvertently, and should have been cooked by a 450 kW Pulse Radar. He walked away, no indications whatsoever of damage.

When children in Somalia start miraculously not dying and putting on weight...."miraculously ", I'll start considering divine intervention, or miracles.

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass.

But lets try to stay within the scope of things possible, and things absolutely impossible before we call it a miracle. One reason I'm not too compelled by the antifreeze story you've given is I've known of a couple dogs that survived massive ingestions. The vet's in both cases were able to save them.

Miracle? Doubtful.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#129 Aug 23, 2011
EMS Servant wrote:
(...)In Genesis while we were still in Eden there was no sickness, disease or death. When Adam and Eve had partaken of the tree that had caused their downfall.
Genesis 3:17(...)
Now I'm not going to go any further into scripture here because I made this thread as a place for Atheists to share their stories...I don't want this to become a flame war. Please stay civil and keep it to the topic at hand.
Thanks. It has no basis in reality, nor proofs.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#130 Aug 23, 2011
EMS Servant wrote:
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We got kicked out of Eden because we all have knowledge of good and evil..
So?

God was jealous? Of our new-found knowledge?

That makes little since... at least not to me.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#131 Aug 23, 2011
nina wrote:
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I expect that a one armed single mother black lesbian will be elected president of the US as long as she's born again
before a white heterosexual married man with children who's an atheist will be.
True dat sista!

“Queen of everything”

Since: Oct 08

Paradise Island

#132 Aug 23, 2011
EMS Servant wrote:
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There is no denying though that this guy should not be alive today, at least not without being blind and/or heavily brain damaged. The metabolites that are produced when you consume antifreeze are extremely lethal. To say that your body would be out of homeostasis is a gross understatement. As I said before metabolic acidosis is a huge concern and there is no way a human body could possibly buffer all that.
I've had a patient several times, repeat customer, who comes in after ingesting everything from antifreeze to carburetor fluid, he gets put on an ethanol drip, along with bicarb, and he still to the day, is going strong and continues in the self destructive behavior. It's not a miracle. Medical science has figured out how to bind up those receptor sites to prevent permanent damage.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#134 Aug 23, 2011
EMS Servant wrote:
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Antifreeze also contains methanol..2-8oz can kill an adult. Almost a quarter of the bottle was gone...oh yeah; he should have been too. At the very least he should have had massive brain damage...none. Vision loss...it also plays havoc on your kidneys; renal function was fine. The doctors all agree, this guy shouldn't be alive today. Ya know the reason he tried to kill himself? med school was getting him too stressed and his GF broke up with him. Now he's back in med school.
It's a known fact that sometimes people survive things they shouldn't have.
http://www.oddee.com/item_96746.aspx Here are some good ones.
So this person never had any kind of medical treatment and still survived?

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#135 Aug 23, 2011
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Not unless you own a tire company, and a paint-and-body shop...
... and a glass company....
... to repair the weekly vandalism.
Exactly Bob

“Right click Left click Yay!”

Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#136 Aug 23, 2011
redneck wrote:
<quoted text>First you should read the histoy of your religion then read about Constitine and the Council of Nicea. That was the birth of the "Roman Catholic(universal) Church" which is the foundation of christianity. Do NOT use religious libraries and scrutinize book origins. Some authors have hidden agendas. Believe science.Read Carl Sagan's story about the dragon in his garage. That is your homework. I am expecting a logical reply.
The Council of Nicea was a huge turning point in Christianity. This is where the Bible was born but to teach it in its entirety would be counter-productive for Christians. Why was the Gospel of Thomas or Mary Magadelene or Mary, Mother of Jesus, rejected and not to be included? I may be wrong here, but isn't this where the very weird Jesus is God, but also the Son of God but also the Holy Spirit Trinity spawn from as a compromise (dirty word nowadays, it seems)?

The next big question about the Bible is a result of the Protestant Reformation where they cut out 7(?) books from the Catholic Bible. If the Council of Nicea was a Godly thing to assemble the Bible in the first place (and not a last ditch effort by Constantine to prolong the Roman Empire a few more centuries), who has the audacity to edit that same book 1000 some years later? Unless the whole thing is not Divine...

“Right click Left click Yay!”

Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#137 Aug 24, 2011
EMS Servant wrote:
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I mean the people posting those nasty comments...that's horrible.
I have a question for you now.

This thread is 130 posts deep and some of the posters I've seen in this thread have had scathing replies in other threads.

Do the posts in this thread measure up to the negative connotations of atheists that you may have heard or seen elsewhere?

“Proverbs 12:16”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#138 Aug 24, 2011
greymouser wrote:
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I have a question for you now.
This thread is 130 posts deep and some of the posters I've seen in this thread have had scathing replies in other threads.
Do the posts in this thread measure up to the negative connotations of atheists that you may have heard or seen elsewhere?
No, certainly not. There is another thread where an individual completely agrees with Stalin and wants to eliminate all religion from the face of the Earth; by killing all the believers.

Then there is also this guy:

http://www.topix.com/member/profile/pomonaath...
the serpent was right

Orefield, PA

#139 Aug 24, 2011
EMS Servant wrote:
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We got kicked out of Eden because we all have knowledge of good and evil...however God gave us his only begotten son to give all of us a way out. The only problem I have with your parable is that you are constraining God to human morality and understanding. Think of God more like a potter and we are his clay...he shapes us and at any point he can scrap his creation. Now if we try to explain God then that would be like a piece of clay trying to describe the potter when the only hope the clay would have to understand the potter is by the potter decides to tell the clay about himself.
Sure, we live in a fallen world with the knowledge of good and evil (that is apparent in human society) we all have free will and based on how we exercise that will effects ourselves and the world around us. With your parable it's like saying God was like "here you go, here's your fruit...your done" but he gave us a means to salvation through Christ. So in a way he came back and was more like "go to your room while I figure out what to do with you" then later instead of letting the poison of the knowledge of evil kill us he makes an antidote available to us as well as a first (and last) responder who can help us if we just ask.
Yes, I purposely applied human standards to god, because if he can't stand up to the standards of men, why call him god?

My story illustrates that god is an irresponsible parent. I would not let a loaded gun lay about with my children playing in the same room. Nor would I let them alone with someone so bad, that he might tempt them into doing something that would wreck their lives.

Also, if he is god, he could surely have undone their knowledge of good an evil, and stared over, or simply have killed them (as he promised he would do)and start over(think the flood story).

Also, if he is all knowing, he should have known that:
A)The serpent would tempt them
B)They would eat the fruit.

Lastly, freewill is a myth in christianity. "Free" indicates that something is "without cost". In the case of salvation, you only get saved if you choose to believe and accept Jesus. What you really have is freedom of choice.

Now, don't think I am putting you down. I am not. But rather, This is part of my explanation of why I am an atheist.
the serpent was right

Orefield, PA

#140 Aug 24, 2011
EMS Servant wrote:
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Man if you can compare scripture with EMS like that it means that either
A. you know a lot of scripture
B. You've been in EMS WAAAAY too long LOL
or C. A little of both.
I vote C. LOL
Actually, it's 'A'.
I don't know much about EMS
Epicurus

Apopka, FL

#141 Aug 24, 2011
EMS Servant wrote:
Hello everyone I am a Christian myself and I was hoping those of you who are Atheists who are former Christians would be kind enough to share your story of how you decided to become an Atheist.
Let us please try to keep this civil, as much as I don't want to see "(&*% you fundie" I also don't want to see any Christians saying "your going to Hell" let's please keep this civil.
Good Question, Simple Answer...

My gods are REASON, LOGIC, COMMON SENSE, TRUTH and FACT.
All five of these are absent in any religion.

Religion is nothing more than organized superstition repleate with its own 'made up' rules. It promises immortality to its followers.

UTTER NONSENSE!

The cost to humanity of fifteen centuries of religious savagery of hundreds of millions of lives brutalised and truncated, sacrificed to war, torture, pogroms, burning, pestilence and plague is incalculable.

The desert religions are the worst disaster in human history.

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
Albert Einstein
no mystery

Dallas, TX

#142 Aug 24, 2011
this thread proves my point you cannot logically debate an atheist.They are full of hate towards
God and christians don't waste your time.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#143 Aug 24, 2011
EMS Servant wrote:
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1. We are not built to grow back limbs
...
True, but other creatures, like salamanders do it all the time. If you believe in a god who created salamanders, then you believe in a god who would be well within his comfort zone in re-growing a limb. So, again, why does he >never< do it? Has there never been an amputee good enough to deserve having that prayer granted? There are close to a dozen passages in the new testament where jesus promises that anything asked for in prayer would be granted, anything asked in his name would be granted. In the entire history of the world, has no amputee ever prayed for such a miracle? If not, why not? Cancer patients pray all the time for a remission. Sometimes their cancer does go into remission (at exactly the same rate as atheist patients with similar cancers).

If you say, well, we can't re-grow limbs, so don't bother god with requests for the impossible, just accept what happened and move on, aren't you saying, by necessary implication, that 'miracles' are limited to events within the realm of physical possibility, i.e. events that can occur without supernatural intervention, albeit rarely. If so,'miracles' are not miraculous, merely statistical outliers. You are also, again by necessary implication, accepting that god is not all-powerful, but operates within the constraints of the laws of physics, chemistry, biology, etc., and also that the biblical passages where god promises to fulfill all prayers has the same kind of fine print as car dealer ads on the radio, where after they announce some great price on a lease, another guy comes on speaking very softly and faster than the human brain can follow, reciting a script prepared by lawyers that contains all the hedges and weasel wording that essentially say no living human would qualify for the offer.

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