10 Signs Religious Fundamentalism Is in Decline

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Campbell

Kingston, TN

#62 Feb 5, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Yeah, if you look at christianity compared to other beliefs, you'll see crazy.
You blame christians for other religions bad things.
When are you gonna stop lying.
Well let's see....for starters let's say when the Republicans do:

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/24/935_lie...

Since: Nov 12

Salem, MA

#64 Feb 5, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Yeah, if you look at christianity compared to other beliefs, you'll see crazy.
You blame christians for other religions bad things.
When are you gonna stop lying.
You mean like 300 years of burning? How about Jewish Genocide by the Roman Catholic you know as Hitler to whom by the way was a creationist.. When compared to other beliefs, Christianity is among the bloodiest. Your argument is laughable.

Since: Nov 12

Salem, MA

#65 Feb 6, 2014
postroad wrote:
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I wonder if Christians would care about theism if Christ was proved to be a false Messiah?
Why would an argument for theism necessarily be an argument for Christianity anyway?
This is easy because Jesus is not a decedent of David.. No blood line there, and we all know to take the thrown of David or become King, you have to be of the Royal bloodline... Otherwise the reign ends for that line. Judaism predates Christianity, and Christianity is nothing more than a hijacking of Judaism and other Pagan religions and beliefs of the time period.

DNF

“Judge more and you love less”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH-Baltimore MD-S.Fla

#66 Feb 6, 2014
TheJackelantern wrote:
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You mean like 300 years of burning? How about Jewish Genocide by the Roman Catholic you know as Hitler to whom by the way was a creationist.. When compared to other beliefs, Christianity is among the bloodiest. Your argument is laughable.
This is from Christianity.com

Translator William Tyndale Strangled and Burned

"How many Bibles do you have in your house? For most of us, Bibles are easily accessible, and many of us have several. That we have the Bible in English owes much to William Tyndale, sometimes called the Father of the English Bible. 90% of the King James Version of the Bible and 75% of the Revised Standard Version are from the translation of the Bible into English made by William Tyndale, yet Tyndale himself was burned at the stake for his work on ... October 6, 1536.

Back in the fourteenth century, John Wycliffe was the first to make (or at least oversee) an English translation of the Bible, but that was before the invention of the printing press and all copies had to be hand written. Besides, the church had banned the unauthorized translation of the Bible into English in 1408.

Over one hundred years later, however, William Tyndale had a burning desire to make the Bible available to even the common people in England. After studying at Oxford and Cambridge, he joined the household of Sir John Walsh at little Sudbury Manor as tutor....It was a nice dream, but how was Tyndale to accomplish this when translating the Bible into English was illegal? He went to London to ask Bishop Tunstall if he could be authorized to make an English translation of the Bible, but the bishop would not grant his approvalHowever, Tyndale would not let the disapproval of men stop him from carrying out what seemed so obviously God's will. With encouragement and support of some British merchants, he decided to go to Europe to complete his translation, then have it printed and smuggled back into England....Six thousand copies were printed and smuggled into England. The bishops did everything they could to eradicate the Bibles -- Bishop Tunstall had copies ceremoniously burned at St. Paul's; the archbishop of Canterbury bought up copies to destroy them. Tyndale used the money to print improved editions!

King Henry VIII, then in the throes of his divorce with Queen Katherine, offered Tyndale a safe passage to England to serve as his writer and scholar. Tyndale refused, saying he would not return until the Bible could be legally translated into English. Tyndale continued hiding among the merchants in Antwerp and began translating the Old Testament while the King's agents searched all over England and Europe for him.
Tyndale was finally found by an Englishman who pretended to be his friend but then turned him over to the authorities. After a year and a half in prison, he was brought to trial for heresy -- for believing, among other things, in the forgiveness of sins and that the mercy offered in the gospel was enough for salvation. In August 1536, he was condemned; on this day October 6, 1536 he was strangled and his body burned at the stake. His last prayer was "Lord, open the King of England's eyes." The prayer was answered in part when three years later, in 1539, Henry VIII required every parish church in England to make a copy of the English Bible available to its parishioners."

http://www.christianity.com/church/church-his...

DNF

“Judge more and you love less”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH-Baltimore MD-S.Fla

#67 Feb 6, 2014
TheJackelantern wrote:
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This is easy because Jesus is not a decedent of David.. No blood line there, and we all know to take the thrown of David or become King, you have to be of the Royal bloodline... Otherwise the reign ends for that line. Judaism predates Christianity, and Christianity is nothing more than a hijacking of Judaism and other Pagan religions and beliefs of the time period.
Your post caught my eye because I just saw a program recently that examined some of the stories in the Bible and their historical accuracy. I think it was on the History channel.

One of the stories involved the Birth of Jesus and the Roman Census. Historical scholars have found that a census took place though it was about 60 to 80 years later than the time where Jesus would have been born. It also pointed out that it would be out of character for Rome to order massive travel to the city of a persons birth in order to count them.

The other story was the Slaughter of the Innocents by Herod. Herod was well known for his excesses and they are all well documented. Except that one. Pure fiction according to most reputable historians.

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#68 Feb 6, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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..... most prison cells are made up of atheists who murder.........
you are wrong on two counts.

1- 75=% of prison population claim christerdom upon entrance to prison. In other words, they claim to believe in your god when they enter prison.

2- Murderers are a small % of prison population.

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#69 Feb 6, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Most of them are protected and guarded by thiests.
fact: about a quarter of the atheists who go to prison actually become christian, because there's actually quite a bit of people in prison who learn through their mistakes
could you please site your source.

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#70 Feb 6, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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I can prove God easily. Go to church, just for one sunday, just try it out, and you will see God.
But, you won't do that.
Just try christianity and you'll see why so many people believe
But you won't do it, because you're a coward.
I have been to church. More than once. I was raised southern baptist and attended catholic schools. I believed the myth. I was spoon fed the myth from birth.

It was when I started looking for answers I found the truth. I fought the truth. I did not go down without a fight. But in the end, truth and reality won out.

And it feels GREAT!!!!!!!!!! I will never go back to fairytales and folklore.

That's MY choice. Believing is yours. I respect that. Why is it so hard for YOU to respect the rights of others to NOT believe in your god of choice???

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#71 Feb 6, 2014
DNF wrote:
Submission to the Authorities
Another bogus Obamacare story: The GOP's 'Bette'
Bette was an otherwise unidentified Washington state resident featured in the official GOP response to the Obama speech delivered by Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-Wash.). According to Rodgers, Bette had written her a letter stating that she had "hoped the president’s healthcare law would save her money – but found out instead that her premiums were going up nearly $700 a month." The lesson, according to Rodgers: "This law is not working."…
Grenier told the newspaper that she wrote Rodgers after her insurance company informed her that her $552-a-month catastrophic health plan would not be offered in 2014. It offered her an alternative plan complying with the ACA at $1,052 a month.
Grenier said she had flatly refused to even investigate her options on the exchange. "I wouldn’t go on that Obama website at all,” she said.“We liked our old plan. It worked for us, but they can’t offer it anymore.”
Instead, she and her husband "have decided to go without coverage," the newspaper reported. Does this make sense? Grenier deliberately decided to forgo the options available to her and her family from the Affordable Care Act, despite the knowledge that they might be more suitable for her than her old insurance or the plan being hawked by her insurer -- she says a friend of hers found a plan for a mere $129 a month.
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi...
Let me tell you about real people in the real world screwed by odumbacare.

My husband's employer provided his insurance for free. it was referred to by odumbacare as a cadillac plan.

doctor visits were $20.00/ER visits if not admitted in 24 hours were $50.00/ meds were $10 for generic and $15.00 for name brand.

it cost my husband $25.00 a month for our family.

only thanks to odumbacare we no longer have this. the new insurance cost my husband 968.00 a month for him alone and has a $5000.00 deductible. if he were to carry us on his insurance it would be another $1000.00 a month.

the gov of indiana took the side of the insurance companies and our old policy will not be reinstated.

I am without insurance at this time. as is my 16 yr old. I work part time. IF i take the insuance my company offers, I would bring home less than $700.00 a month.

allow me to share with you how many times in the past 5 yrs I have gone to the doctor..........3 yrs ago I had the flu and bronchitis. 5 yrs ago I had a sinus infection. that's it.

my overall health is great. I am 5'3" and weigh 104 lbs. my b/p is 110/64. my blood sugar rarely goes above 106. my LDL is 43 my HDL is 20. I eat healthy, exercise and get plenty of rest.

yet I am going to be penalized for being in good health and living a healty lifestyle.

thanks to odumba.

the real kicker..........i voted for him the first time.

Since: Nov 12

Salem, MA

#74 Feb 6, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Your post caught my eye because I just saw a program recently that examined some of the stories in the Bible and their historical accuracy. I think it was on the History channel.
One of the stories involved the Birth of Jesus and the Roman Census. Historical scholars have found that a census took place though it was about 60 to 80 years later than the time where Jesus would have been born. It also pointed out that it would be out of character for Rome to order massive travel to the city of a persons birth in order to count them.
The other story was the Slaughter of the Innocents by Herod. Herod was well known for his excesses and they are all well documented. Except that one. Pure fiction according to most reputable historians.
This is interesting, but it doesn't address the point I made. Charchar tried to paint his religion as some innocent religion when it was anything but.. The Abrahamic religions worship a war GOD, and they are in their very nature dominion theologies. Christianity came about from the geopolitical environment. I wouldn't however be to set on taking anything the History Channel has to offer without a grain of salt. Hence they have joined in on the pseudo-science and history crap such as their show on Ancient Aliens. I would stick to academic journals because these shows are actually poor sources of information. Even the Discovery channel went down the tubes when they presented this past years Shark Week. This includes Animal Planet and their show on Mermaids..:/

Since: Nov 12

Salem, MA

#75 Feb 6, 2014
Love-Spell, this thread has nothing to do with Obama or the affordable health care act. This goes out to you to DNF..

DNF

“Judge more and you love less”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH-Baltimore MD-S.Fla

#76 Feb 7, 2014
TheJackelantern wrote:
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This is interesting, but it doesn't address the point I made. Charchar tried to paint his religion as some innocent religion when it was anything but.. The Abrahamic religions worship a war GOD, and they are in their very nature dominion theologies. Christianity came about from the geopolitical environment. I wouldn't however be to set on taking anything the History Channel has to offer without a grain of salt. Hence they have joined in on the pseudo-science and history crap such as their show on Ancient Aliens. I would stick to academic journals because these shows are actually poor sources of information. Even the Discovery channel went down the tubes when they presented this past years Shark Week. This includes Animal Planet and their show on Mermaids..:/
It wasn't meant to address your point. It was only to offer some asides.

Perhaps this will interest you more:
Leviticus 19:18
New International Version (NIV)
18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

Strange that the fundamentalist Christians are more drawn to passages from Leviticus that deal with same sex activity or sex with animals than ones that reflect cornerstones of the New Testament's Christianity.

Or would this satisfy you more:
"...From 1988 to 1993, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences sponsored an interdisciplinary study known as The Fundamentalism Project, the largest such study ever done. More than 100 scholars from all over the world took part, reporting on every imaginable kind of fundamentalism. And what they discovered was that the agenda of all fundamentalist movements in the world is virtually identical, regardless of religion or culture.

They identified five characteristics shared by virtually all fundamentalisms. The fundamentalists' agenda starts with insistence that their rules must be made to apply to all people, and to all areas of life. There can be no separation of church and state, or of public and private areas of life. The rigid rules of God—and they never doubt that they and only they have got these right—must become the law of the land....

One scholar suggested that it's helpful to understand fundamentalism as religious fascism, and fascism as political fundamentalism. The phrase “overcoming the modern” is a fascist slogan dating back to at least 1941."
-The Fundamentalist Agenda By Davidson Loehr

http://www.uuworld.org/2004/01/feature2.html

DNF

“Judge more and you love less”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH-Baltimore MD-S.Fla

#77 Feb 7, 2014
TheJackelantern wrote:
Love-Spell, this thread has nothing to do with Obama or the affordable health care act. This goes out to you to DNF..
I disagree. The thread is about signs that Religious Fundamentalism Is in Decline. The animus shown for both Obama and the ACA are signs of how desperate the doom and gloomers are getting.

DNF

“Judge more and you love less”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH-Baltimore MD-S.Fla

#78 Feb 7, 2014
IMO

(that's for you Jackelantern)

Since: Nov 12

Salem, MA

#81 Feb 7, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree. The thread is about signs that Religious Fundamentalism Is in Decline. The animus shown for both Obama and the ACA are signs of how desperate the doom and gloomers are getting.
Uh no it's not.. Christians not taking their kids to the doctor while trying to heal them with prayer is however something we can attribute to fundamentalism and a decline.. It's woeful ignorance, and you're trying to appeal that ACA has anything what-so-ever to do with this.. Now if you think healing by "Prayer" is better than ACA, I would say this nation would quickly collapse. And who are the "doom and gloomers?". Last time I checked it's the nut jobs professing Jesus's return and the end of the world bs based on Revelations to which is nothing more than a Prophecy of a volcanic eruption. I'm not impressed.

Since: Nov 12

Salem, MA

#82 Feb 7, 2014
Strange that the fundamentalist Christians are more drawn to passages from Leviticus that deal with same sex activity or sex with animals than ones that reflect cornerstones of the New Testament's Christianity.
Then you reference Leveticus where brutal laws are noted.. Or even go to Jesus where he tells people that they must hate themselves, their families, lives ect in order to be worthy of him.. Not once but twice. Jesus also states he has not abolished the laws of the OT. And many Christians think the NT somehow has nothing to do with the OT. There is nothing moral about the Volcano God of the Bible. Now if you are just cherry picking the good from the ocean of bad in the bible, I beg to wonder the actual value of the book.. And what your reference doesn't get is that these religions are inherently dominion theologies by doctrine. And have been throughout history.. Moderates simply do not follow the religions to that extent..

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#83 Feb 11, 2014
Amused wrote:
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Two billion followers comes from two millenia of indoctrination and forced conversion, as practiced by European conquerors everywhere. From the time of the conquistadores, the model was soldiers first, then priests. The soldiers put down active resistance, the priests pacified the population with promises of pie in the sky, conditioned on obeying the white masters.
Two billion followers also means 75% of the population are not followers. Way more than 25% of the population once believed in a flat earth. The number of people believing in a thing has no bearing on whether or not the belief is true. Slavery was once almost universally accepted, and owning slaves was thought to be consistent with being a moral person. The number of people believing that did not change the fact that it was and is profoundly immoral.
If the only argument you have for the validity of your belief is the number of people holding the belief, then you have no argument.
Another reason religion won't disappear, every second there is 2 people turning becoming a theist(includes birth)
Jim

London, UK

#84 Feb 12, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Another reason religion won't disappear, every second there is 2 people turning becoming a theist(includes birth)
The reason people don't believe in Creationism is because its stupid to believe the earth is 3000 years old and that all of science is wrong.

Thats all it comes down to - you're ignorant cult members that can't accept hard facts of life.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#85 Feb 12, 2014
South Africa has some of the worst literacy stats in the whole of sub Saharan Africa.

You're part of the problem.
Carchar king wrote:
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In my country, children at school are taught evolution, the big bang, almost everything.
But the teacher's always say, "You can choose to believe in God or evolution and big bang.
I went to a christian school and was taught evolution, but the one thing is, choose evolution or God.
I think throughout every school, yes evolution may be taught, but there must also always be the choice.
And actuallly, that's how it is, so no matter what, unless atheism wins a faith census in his country, there's no way religion will be banished from school.

DNF

“Judge more and you love less”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH-Baltimore MD-S.Fla

#86 Feb 13, 2014
TheJackelantern wrote:
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Then you reference Leveticus where brutal laws are noted.. Or even go to Jesus where he tells people that they must hate themselves, their families, lives ect in order to be worthy of him.. Not once but twice. Jesus also states he has not abolished the laws of the OT. And many Christians think the NT somehow has nothing to do with the OT. There is nothing moral about the Volcano God of the Bible. Now if you are just cherry picking the good from the ocean of bad in the bible, I beg to wonder the actual value of the book.. And what your reference doesn't get is that these religions are inherently dominion theologies by doctrine. And have been throughout history.. Moderates simply do not follow the religions to that extent..
This moderate does.

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