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10 Signs Religious Fundamentalism Is in Decline

There are 158 comments on the Ukiah Blog Live story from Jan 12, 2014, titled 10 Signs Religious Fundamentalism Is in Decline. In it, Ukiah Blog Live reports that:

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Cujo

Regina, Canada

#42 Jan 30, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Guess why so many people believe in the Bible.
And you say we have no evidence
You have one book, written in a time where most were illiterate.

Evolution has thousands of studies, and text books. So, when you are talking about books, as evidence, evolution still wins!

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#43 Jan 31, 2014
Amused wrote:
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I don't have to guess: indoctrination and a need to have a certain answer, even if it is wrong, simply because humans abhor uncertainty.
As H.L. Mencken observed: "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
The number of people who believe a given thing has no bearing on whether that thing is true or not. At one time, the belief that the earth was flat, at the center of the universe, and orbited by the sun and the other planets was nearly universal. It is now nearly universally discredited. The facts didn't change, only our knowledge.
Sory, 2 billion followers don't come from a book

Since: Nov 12

Salem, MA

#44 Jan 31, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Sory, 2 billion followers don't come from a book
And 6 billion who don't follow your book... If you want to play the ad populum fallacy, I would suggest trying a less informed audience.. 2 billion followers come from gullible idiots, or victimized children who are indoctrinated since birth. And worse still, 2 billion people don't fall in the same sect as there are over 40,000 sects all claiming they are the real truth, or "True Christians".. It's a laughable joke..
Jim

London, UK

#45 Feb 1, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Sory, 2 billion followers don't come from a book
No evidence of god and you know it. Just accept it and move on, there's a good creationist troll.

The earth isn't 3000 years old and there's no such thing as jesus, sin, hell or heaven. All you have is the time here today. Make the most of it.

Why lie about god and waste other's time? Why not do the hard work and prove this crap you call a belief system first instead of attacking those that find it stupid and immature?

Why be a coward of such epic proportions and lie like this all day?
Campbell

Kingston, TN

#46 Feb 1, 2014
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You Know What?? Thank Goodness the young in this country are catching onto the game religious folks promote their artificial scaffolding and crutch:
Religion and the Christian church in particular has been responsible for more evil acts than any other entity in the world. Granted often the government and church were entwined in authoritarian efforts but no group has ever withstood the trials of time better than those with the power. The crusades wiped out hundreds of thousands for simply differing beliefs.
For more than a thousand years the church required infant baptism. When ordinary folks began to doubt that kind of requirement and their attendance/donations began to falter the church made it optional. The scripture is still there but is never mentioned in that way.
For many thousands of years the church conducted witch hunts and tortured and put to death a conservative estimate of 100,000 innocent young women because they had been accused of witchcraft. When the general population caught on to the fact that there is no such thing as a witch the church backed away and shut up. The scripture is still there.
For thousands of years the church supported slavery, often accommodated it. When ordinary folks realized slavery is a practice for which there is no
justification...guess what? The church backed away and never mentions the numerous scriptures in the bible which lend support to the practice.
Now the thing is hell itself. After millions of preachers preaching hundreds of millions of hell fire and brimstone sermons and the very concept
of eternal torture and misery for non believing individuals making mistakes while living their lives has become extremely distasteful to the common
man they are adamant in their insistance that it's all been errors in translation and are now preaching that hell is merely the eternal separation
of man from god. All the scripture is still there but once again they have changed their position.
The church owns more real property in this world than any other entity except the governments. The Vatican City has a building which covers blocks
and is loaded with rare treasures and art works which conservatively are worth hundreds of billions of dollars. All this while more than 900,000,000
humans are starving to death or suffering from the effects of malnutrition. By default the starving are mostly children.
George W. Bush said he prayed and god told him to invade Iraq. There had never been a suicide bombing in the history of that country.
After the invasion and the beginning of the bombings over two million people fled from Iraq to Syria and Jordon. A conservative estimate of innocent
collaterals who have lost their lives in Iraq is 150,000...and be sure and add the more than 4,500 young Americans who lost their lives there and the
approximately 35,000 who were seriously wounded.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#47 Feb 1, 2014
Jim wrote:
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No evidence of god and you know it. Just accept it and move on, there's a good creationist troll.
The earth isn't 3000 years old and there's no such thing as jesus, sin, hell or heaven. All you have is the time here today. Make the most of it.
Why lie about god and waste other's time? Why not do the hard work and prove this crap you call a belief system first instead of attacking those that find it stupid and immature?
Why be a coward of such epic proportions and lie like this all day?
I can prove God easily. Go to church, just for one sunday, just try it out, and you will see God.

But, you won't do that.

Just try christianity and you'll see why so many people believe

But you won't do it, because you're a coward.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#48 Feb 1, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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I can prove God easily. Go to church, just for one sunday, just try it out, and you will see God.
But, you won't do that.
Just try christianity and you'll see why so many people believe
But you won't do it, because you're a coward.
Just try atheism and you'll see why so many people don't believe.

But you won't do it, because you're a coward.

Since: Nov 12

Salem, MA

#49 Feb 1, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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I can prove God easily. Go to church, just for one sunday, just try it out, and you will see God.
But, you won't do that.
Just try christianity and you'll see why so many people believe
But you won't do it, because you're a coward.
LMOA..:P .. I wonder if Carchar realizes he's talking to at least one former Christian here.. What a load of shit.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#50 Feb 2, 2014
The hypocrisy and deciet of the religious fundamentalists and the GOP in 7 easy steps

Gay-marriage debate takes new twist in Oregon: religious exemption

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/02/us-...

Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

http://americablog.com/2013/07/indiana-makes-...

Leviticus 19:18
New International Version (NIV)
18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

Colossians 1:16
New International Version
For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

Galatians 3:28
New International Version
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Romans 13:1-5
English Standard Version (ESV)
Submission to the Authorities
13 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

Another bogus Obamacare story: The GOP's 'Bette'

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Grenier told the newspaper that she wrote Rodgers after her insurance company informed her that her $552-a-month catastrophic health plan would not be offered in 2014. It offered her an alternative plan complying with the ACA at $1,052 a month.

Grenier said she had flatly refused to even investigate her options on the exchange. "I wouldn’t go on that Obama website at all,” she said.“We liked our old plan. It worked for us, but they can’t offer it anymore.”

Instead, she and her husband "have decided to go without coverage," the newspaper reported. Does this make sense? Grenier deliberately decided to forgo the options available to her and her family from the Affordable Care Act, despite the knowledge that they might be more suitable for her than her old insurance or the plan being hawked by her insurer -- she says a friend of hers found a plan for a mere $129 a month.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi...

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#51 Feb 2, 2014
TheJackelantern wrote:
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And 6 billion who don't follow your book... If you want to play the ad populum fallacy, I would suggest trying a less informed audience.. 2 billion followers come from gullible idiots, or victimized children who are indoctrinated since birth. And worse still, 2 billion people don't fall in the same sect as there are over 40,000 sects all claiming they are the real truth, or "True Christians".. It's a laughable joke..
Yeah, if you look at christianity compared to other beliefs, you'll see crazy.

You blame christians for other religions bad things.

When are you gonna stop lying.
postroad

Canada

#52 Feb 2, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Yeah, if you look at christianity compared to other beliefs, you'll see crazy.
You blame christians for other religions bad things.
When are you gonna stop lying.
I wonder if Christians would care about theism if Christ was proved to be a false Messiah?

Why would an argument for theism necessarily be an argument for Christianity anyway?

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#53 Feb 2, 2014
postroad wrote:
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I wonder if Christians would care about theism if Christ was proved to be a false Messiah?
Why would an argument for theism necessarily be an argument for Christianity anyway?
Hi. I haven't seen you before. I have something you might find useful.

The Fundamentalist Agenda By Davidson Loehr

From 1988 to 1993, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences sponsored an interdisciplinary study known as The Fundamentalism Project, the largest such study ever done. More than 100 scholars from all over the world took part, reporting on every imaginable kind of fundamentalism. And what they discovered was that the agenda of all fundamentalist movements in the world is virtually identical, regardless of religion or culture.

They identified five characteristics shared by virtually all fundamentalisms. The fundamentalists' agenda starts with insistence that their rules must be made to apply to all people, and to all areas of life. There can be no separation of church and state, or of public and private areas of life. The rigid rules of God—and they never doubt that they and only they have got these right—must become the law of the land.....

The second agenda item is really at the top of the list, and it's vulgarly simple: Men are on top. Men are bigger and stronger, and they rule not only through physical strength but also and more importantly through their influence on the laws and rules of the land. Men set the boundaries.

A third item follows from the others... Since there is only one right picture of the world, one right set of beliefs, and one right set of roles for men, women, and children, it is imperative that this picture and these rules be communicated precisely to the next generation. Therefore, fundamentalists must control education by controlling textbooks and teaching styles, deciding what may and may not be taught.

Fourth, fundamentalists spurn the modern, and want to return to a nostalgic vision of a golden age that never really existed. Several of the scholars observed a strong and deep resemblance between fundamentalism and fascism...One scholar suggested that it's helpful to understand fundamentalism as religious fascism, and fascism as political fundamentalism. The phrase “overcoming the modern” is a fascist slogan dating back to at least 1941.

The fifth point is the most abstract, though it's foundational. Fundamentalists deny history in a radical and idiosyncratic way. Fundamentalists know as well or better than anybody that culture shapes everything it touches: The times we live in color how we think, what we value, and the kind of people we become. Fundamentalists agree on the perverseness of modern American society: the air of permissiveness and narcissism, individual rights unbalanced by responsibilities, sex divorced from commitment, and so on. What they don't want to see is the way culture colored the era when their scriptures were created.

Good biblical scholarship begins by studying the cultural situation when scriptures were written in search of their original intent, so that we can better discern what messages they may still have that are relevant for our lives. But if fundamentalists were to admit that their own scriptures are as culturally conditioned as everything else, they would lose the foundation of their certainties. Some scholars see evidence that St. Paul, for instance, had severe personal hang-ups about sex that may account for his harsh teachings about homosexuality and women. Many biblical scholars treat some of Paul's teachings as rants rather than revelations. But for fundamentalists, their scriptures fell straight from heaven in a leather-bound book, every jot and tittle intact.

http://www.uuworld.org/2004/01/feature2.html
postroad

Canada

#54 Feb 2, 2014
TheJackelantern wrote:
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And 6 billion who don't follow your book... If you want to play the ad populum fallacy, I would suggest trying a less informed audience.. 2 billion followers come from gullible idiots, or victimized children who are indoctrinated since birth. And worse still, 2 billion people don't fall in the same sect as there are over 40,000 sects all claiming they are the real truth, or "True Christians".. It's a laughable joke..
Does this mean that Christ's prayer failed?
postroad

Canada

#55 Feb 2, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Hi. I haven't seen you before. I have something you might find useful.
I just stumbled on this site.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#56 Feb 2, 2014
postroad wrote:
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I just stumbled on this site.
well I hope you find it as entertaining as I do. It's also very informative in a BIZZARO world sense.

NAMASTE

(I use that greeting and blessing mostly to nice people like you)

please stick around

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#57 Feb 2, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
I can prove God easily. Go to church, just for one sunday, just try it out, and you will see God.
But, you won't do that.
Just try christianity and you'll see why so many people believe
But you won't do it, because you're a coward.
Which church would that be? Does it matter which particular flavor of religious sect it is that runs that one church? I personally have been in several dozen so-called Christain churches, mostly Pentecostal and Baptist, but a Catholic one or two was thrown into the mix, and you know what? Even though I had 30 or so years of being an actual Christain, I not once have ever seen, felt, or heard a god.
Somehow I could never bring myself to pretend that I did.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#58 Feb 2, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Which church would that be? Does it matter which particular flavor of religious sect it is that runs that one church? I personally have been in several dozen so-called Christain churches, mostly Pentecostal and Baptist, but a Catholic one or two was thrown into the mix, and you know what? Even though I had 30 or so years of being an actual Christain, I not once have ever seen, felt, or heard a god.
Somehow I could never bring myself to pretend that I did.
I had similar questions for many years. Then I understood that both morality and compassion aren't exclusive to religious dogma.

I hope you look up a paper called "The Fundamentalist Agenda by Davidson Loehr"

http://www.uuworld.org/2004/01/feature2.html

"From 1988 to 1993, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences sponsored an interdisciplinary study known as The Fundamentalism Project, the largest such study ever done. More than 100 scholars from all over the world took part, reporting on every imaginable kind of fundamentalism. And what they discovered was that the agenda of all fundamentalist movements in the world is virtually identical, regardless of religion or culture."

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#59 Feb 3, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I had similar questions for many years. Then I understood that both morality and compassion aren't exclusive to religious dogma.
I hope you look up a paper called "The Fundamentalist Agenda by Davidson Loehr"
http://www.uuworld.org/2004/01/feature2.html
"From 1988 to 1993, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences sponsored an interdisciplinary study known as The Fundamentalism Project, the largest such study ever done. More than 100 scholars from all over the world took part, reporting on every imaginable kind of fundamentalism. And what they discovered was that the agenda of all fundamentalist movements in the world is virtually identical, regardless of religion or culture."
I do not have questions. I had them when I was a believer, and when I read the entire buybull, so I read it again, and I did ask many ministers many questions. I read the buybull a third time, and understood, that it was the words from that book, were the reason that I no longer believed. And that was a good thing, I cut myself loose from that damned insanity and haven't regretted it even once in nearly 30 years.

I also read much of the San Hedrin, the Torah and the Quran, that just showed me the very sad trail that the use of the god El's myth has woven through the Arabic people's lives.

Other peoples words about being atheist, holds no interest for me. I don't question whether there be gods, I don't care one way or the other, but I know if there are gods, they are so insignificant as to be virtually non-existent. And I could care less which god-myths you need to prostrate yourself before, and truthfully if you'd all just keep the foolishness to yourselves, we'd not ever know nor care about it.

The only identical bit of theism is they will indoctrinate. It is how the spellcasters manage to assure themselves more power/money. Also they almost all claim, that they and only they are correct in thier choice of god/s and how to worsdhip said god/s, and every one else is wrong.
cujo

Regina, Canada

#60 Feb 3, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
1 reason religion will never disappear.
There are 6 billion people of religion, not even a billion atheists.
So what, everyone used to think the earth was flat, guess what? They were wrong.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#61 Feb 3, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Sory, 2 billion followers don't come from a book
Two billion followers comes from two millenia of indoctrination and forced conversion, as practiced by European conquerors everywhere. From the time of the conquistadores, the model was soldiers first, then priests. The soldiers put down active resistance, the priests pacified the population with promises of pie in the sky, conditioned on obeying the white masters.

Two billion followers also means 75% of the population are not followers. Way more than 25% of the population once believed in a flat earth. The number of people believing in a thing has no bearing on whether or not the belief is true. Slavery was once almost universally accepted, and owning slaves was thought to be consistent with being a moral person. The number of people believing that did not change the fact that it was and is profoundly immoral.

If the only argument you have for the validity of your belief is the number of people holding the belief, then you have no argument.

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