10 Signs Religious Fundamentalism Is in Decline

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“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

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#1 Jan 13, 2014
Days may be dark right now—after all, as the memes proclaim, axial tilt is the reason for the season. But things are looking bright for those who would like to see humanity more grounded in science and reason. If you are a nonbeliever in the mood for a party, here are 10 reasons to celebrate.

1. Coming out atheist is up and coming. In May 2013, after a deadly tornado destroyed her home, young mother Rebecca Vitsmun gave an unexpected answer when CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asked whether she thanked the Lord for her decision to flee. Vitsmun tells the story in a sometimes-tearful interview with Seth Andrews, host of the Thinking Atheist.“I had this moment in which I realized you either lie or tell the truth, and I’m not a liar.” In that moment, Vitsmun outed herself not only to a national media audience but also to her Christian parents and friends.

Vitsmun’s situation was extraordinary, but candor about nonbelief is becoming more and more commonplace. From Hollywood celebs like Angelina Jolie to high school students, skeptics are opening up about their beliefs and values—or simply declining to lie when asked.(A quick-read book, Mom, Dad, I’m an Atheist, offers tips for those who are contemplating when, where and how best to come out.)

2. The cutting edge of freethought is less cutting and edgy. In generations past, coming out as an atheist required a devil-may-care attitude. The social and even financial costs were so high that most admitted atheists were also unflinching social activists, people who had a high degree of zeal and high tolerance for conflict. Most were also white males who were comparatively safe taking on the religious establishment. Until recently, then, atheism was virtually synonymous with anti-theism, and even today people complain that pioneers of the New Atheist movement like Dawkins, Harris, Dennett, and the late great Hitchens are unnecessarily antagonistic.

But thanks in part to their courage and flame-throwing, a new generation is emerging, one that sees atheism not as an end point, but as a beginning. Alain de Botton’s TED talk and book, Atheism 2.0, simply posits the nonexistence of God and then goes on to discuss what humanity can glean from the rubble of religious traditions. Many younger people are casting aside labels and adopting what fits from religious holidays and traditions, in the same way that they mix and match cultural, racial or sexual identities. As boundaries soften, more women, Hispanics and blacks are joining or even leading the conversations.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Nothing creates... Nothing

#2 Jan 14, 2014
1 reason religion will never disappear.

There are 6 billion people of religion, not even a billion atheists.
Jim

London, UK

#3 Jan 14, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
1 reason religion will never disappear.
There are 6 billion people of religion, not even a billion atheists.
Most living things on the planet are Atheist - by definition they do not believe in a god or gods.

So the religious are devastatingly outnumbered by every species on the planet.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#4 Jan 14, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
1 reason religion will never disappear.
There are 6 billion people of religion, not even a billion atheists.
You have a bigger pool of potential recruits. PT Barnum once observed that there's a sucker born every minute. On the other hand, common sense is actually so rare, it should be considered a super power.

Since: Sep 10

Earth

#5 Jan 15, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
1 reason religion will never disappear.
There are 6 billion people of religion, not even a billion atheists.
No. Almost the entire population of Germany and Austria were Nazis or supporters, and look where that is now. The same with religion.

Religion will never disappear for two reasons:

(1) Religion allows the ignorant, lazy and uneducated to feel "smart" without knowing or learning anything. It's an easy "feel good" for the willfully stupid.

(2) Religion provides a short cut to power, position and wealth for the criminal class. It may not acquire wealth as fast as criminal groups like the mafia, but there's far less chance of getting arrested.
EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#6 Jan 16, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
1 reason religion will never disappear.
There are 6 billion people of religion, not even a billion atheists.
But religious beliefs are declining as education and scientific knowledge advance.

Clerics will one day be viewed much the same as druids, witchdoctors, soothsayers and medicine men. It's all superstition. Humanity is only a few million years old and modern society only a few hundred years old. In the longer term, religions and other superstitions will teach us no end of a lesson.

Religion = superstition
Theology = mythology

Since: Nov 12

Salem, MA

#7 Jan 17, 2014
Well, when you learn Yahweh was a son of EL, originate from polytheism, and became equated with El / El shaddai, you tend to realize that it's all mythology... It gets worse when you read the bible and find out that Yahweh is an anthropomorphized mountain volcano god... It' just gets silly, but people don't like reality, and thus they must consume themselves in what they know is utter fantasy.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Nothing creates... Nothing

#8 Jan 18, 2014
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>But religious beliefs are declining as education and scientific knowledge advance.
Clerics will one day be viewed much the same as druids, witchdoctors, soothsayers and medicine men. It's all superstition. Humanity is only a few million years old and modern society only a few hundred years old. In the longer term, religions and other superstitions will teach us no end of a lesson.
Religion = superstition
Theology = mythology
In my country, children at school are taught evolution, the big bang, almost everything.

But the teacher's always say, "You can choose to believe in God or evolution and big bang.
I went to a christian school and was taught evolution, but the one thing is, choose evolution or God.

I think throughout every school, yes evolution may be taught, but there must also always be the choice.

And actuallly, that's how it is, so no matter what, unless atheism wins a faith census in his country, there's no way religion will be banished from school.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#9 Jan 18, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
1 reason religion will never disappear.
There are 6 billion people of religion, not even a billion atheists.
And every one of those 6 billion were atheist before they were indoctrinated.

We are simply without the indoctrination that makes you a theist, we are the tea without sugar or lemon, we are the car without decals, we are the garments without labels. We are all we need be, without embellishments.

Your god, your religion, your theism, are all embelishments. Not at all necessary, but they define your sect, designate your club,and mark you one of "them".~ Reason Personified

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#10 Jan 18, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
In my country, children at school are taught evolution, the big bang, almost everything.
But the teacher's always say, "You can choose to believe in God or evolution and big bang.
I went to a christian school and was taught evolution, but the one thing is, choose evolution or God.
I think throughout every school, yes evolution may be taught, but there must also always be the choice.
And actuallly, that's how it is, so no matter what, unless atheism wins a faith census in his country, there's no way religion will be banished from school.
Choices? 2+2=4, or 2+2=7, take your choice.

One can be proven, the other cannot. A logical progression leads to one answer, the other ... anything you want it to say, it can say.
Choices? Choose a god, then a religion, then a branch of said religion, then a holy book, then a religious leader, then decide which parts of each you will or will not choose to take orders and rules to live by, from. Or you could just go for the truth of 2+2=4
EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#11 Jan 18, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
In my country, children at school are taught evolution, the big bang, almost everything.
But the teacher's always say, "You can choose to believe in God or evolution and big bang.
I went to a christian school and was taught evolution, but the one thing is, choose evolution or God.
I think throughout every school, yes evolution may be taught, but there must also always be the choice.
And actuallly, that's how it is, so no matter what, unless atheism wins a faith census in his country, there's no way religion will be banished from school.
You muddle-up religion, education and science. Perhaps your posts also illustrate what religious superstition and 'religious teaching' can do to the human mind. If people bring religion into areas of life irrelevant to it,(such as morality, science, politics, education or the law) they leave it open to criticism as any other organisation, ideology or cult. Simple as that.

I'm not interested in religion/atheism, I just point out that there's no more proof of gods than of fairies and all the problems religion causes or facilitates, from sectarianism and prejudices to wars and religious ideologies like Zionism and Islamism.
http://nilbymouth.org/what-is-sectarianism/

http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/ghwbush.h...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155285/atheists-mu...

Religion is just superstition like witchcraft or voodoo and will inevitably go the same way. It's only a matter of time.

Religion = superstition
Theology = mythology

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Nothing creates... Nothing

#12 Jan 22, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Choices? 2+2=4, or 2+2=7, take your choice.
One can be proven, the other cannot. A logical progression leads to one answer, the other ... anything you want it to say, it can say.
Choices? Choose a god, then a religion, then a branch of said religion, then a holy book, then a religious leader, then decide which parts of each you will or will not choose to take orders and rules to live by, from. Or you could just go for the truth of 2+2=4
Yes, I go by the truth, thanks for admitting to religion
Jim

London, UK

#13 Jan 22, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
1 reason religion will never disappear.
There are 6 billion people of religion, not even a billion atheists.
All those religious people disbelieve in each other's religion. All you have proven is that you can't think through your own statistics.
Jim

London, UK

#14 Jan 22, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
In my country, children at school are taught evolution, the big bang, almost everything.
But the teacher's always say, "You can choose to believe in God or evolution and big bang.
I went to a christian school and was taught evolution, but the one thing is, choose evolution or God.
I think throughout every school, yes evolution may be taught, but there must also always be the choice.
And actuallly, that's how it is, so no matter what, unless atheism wins a faith census in his country, there's no way religion will be banished from school.
Evolution is a fact. Choosing not to tell you a fact, is called lying for your information.
Jim

London, UK

#15 Jan 22, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Yes, I go by the truth, thanks for admitting to religion
There's no such thing as god and there never has been. Only snotty, arrogant trolls who can't get over atheists being both curious and honest about the universe.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#16 Jan 22, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Yes, I go by the truth, thanks for admitting to religion
"Thanks for admitting to religion". Did you actually write that?

40,000+ religions on the planet. Why would I act like they don't exist? They are the proof of no god. If there were a god, one religion would have gotten it right and the truth of that religion would gradually draw all the others in to join them.

The truth is that they all splinter even more daily, none of them have it right, and they all know it. None of the the Abrahamic religions follow the dictates of the gods. Besides it being illegal to do so, most people aren't scared enough of their god to make them step out of the lemming line and actually obey him.

Even the Muslims. Seriously how many cases of public stoning have you seen the American Muslims carry out? None? How about the Christain buybull thumpers? None again? Right. The law and possible public scrutiny trumps Allah, just like it trumps Yahweh and Jehovah.

Sell your shit elsewhere. If you don't live, don't laud it.

Since: Nov 12

Salem, MA

#17 Jan 22, 2014
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
All those religious people disbelieve in each other's religion. All you have proven is that you can't think through your own statistics.
You want to know why some atheists can say there is no GOD? It's simple really and I wrote this article you might find interesting in which challenges the very concept of god entirely:

Existence: Book Of Origins
http://thejackelscolumn.wordpress.com/2013/11...

It's a simple argument that asks very simple questions.. This even challenges the Pantheist concept of GOD in which denotes that Existence itself is GOD.. Little hint, it's either all or nothing! Meaning, either everything is GOD or there is no such thing as Gods or GOD at all. Welcome to the existential Paradox.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Nothing creates... Nothing

#18 Jan 25, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>"Thanks for admitting to religion". Did you actually write that?
40,000+ religions on the planet. Why would I act like they don't exist? They are the proof of no god. If there were a god, one religion would have gotten it right and the truth of that religion would gradually draw all the others in to join them.
The truth is that they all splinter even more daily, none of them have it right, and they all know it. None of the the Abrahamic religions follow the dictates of the gods. Besides it being illegal to do so, most people aren't scared enough of their god to make them step out of the lemming line and actually obey him.
Even the Muslims. Seriously how many cases of public stoning have you seen the American Muslims carry out? None? How about the Christain buybull thumpers? None again? Right. The law and possible public scrutiny trumps Allah, just like it trumps Yahweh and Jehovah.
Sell your shit elsewhere. If you don't live, don't laud it.
here's another reason religion isn't declining.

40 000 religions is just like, how can they all disappear.

One question atheists. Why did so many people randomly become christian 2000 years ago.

If christianity wasn't right, it's highly likely there wouldn't be 2 billion followers of christ
Jim

London, UK

#19 Jan 25, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
In my country, children at school are taught evolution, the big bang, almost everything.
But the teacher's always say, "You can choose to believe in God or evolution and big bang.
I went to a christian school and was taught evolution, but the one thing is, choose evolution or God.
I think throughout every school, yes evolution may be taught, but there must also always be the choice.
And actuallly, that's how it is, so no matter what, unless atheism wins a faith census in his country, there's no way religion will be banished from school.
Evolution will become a choice, when Gravity becomes a choice.

Would you ask your child to not believe in Gravity?

Evolution is a fact, just like Gravity, you cannot escape it by praying it away.
Jim

London, UK

#20 Jan 25, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
here's another reason religion isn't declining.
40 000 religions is just like, how can they all disappear.
One question atheists. Why did so many people randomly become christian 2000 years ago.
If christianity wasn't right, it's highly likely there wouldn't be 2 billion followers of christ
There's no evidence for god, isn't doesn't matter how many people believe in your chosen mental illness.

Just because you deny the fact of Evolution, does not make it a point of debate.

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