Arkansas Society of Freethinkers Denies "War on Christmas" Charge

Dec 5, 2012 Full story: arkansasmatters.com 233

The Arkansas Society of Freethinkers today rejected the claim that it is making war on Christmas.

"Those who stand up for the rights of children to be free from coercion aren't making war either on religion or Christmas," said ASF spokesperson LeeWood Thomas. "Rather, this is a case of a church forming an alliance with local government to violate religious freedom. So we in the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers feel compelled to take a stand on behalf of the parents under the U.S. Constitution."

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“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#102 Dec 7, 2012
Gluteus Maximus wrote:
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I would be FASCINATED to know how one "celebrates Christmas without any particular religious content".
have done it for 30 years without religious content

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#103 Dec 7, 2012
Canon wrote:
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There cannot be freedom from religion for even atheisism is a religion.... interesting huh?
And baldness is a hair color

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#104 Dec 7, 2012
Canon wrote:
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No, there is not. You live in the world created by GOD. How silly of you. I chuckle.
Prove it!
Canon

Texarkana, TX

#105 Dec 7, 2012
Mikko wrote:
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Prove it!
You prove your position! I'll wait!
Canon

Texarkana, TX

#106 Dec 7, 2012
Mikko wrote:
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And baldness is a hair color
That's just silly :)
Canon

Texarkana, TX

#107 Dec 7, 2012
Mikko wrote:
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have done it for 30 years without religious content
Interesting...why one would celebrate a religious holiday while they do not believe in Jesus?....I do not celebrate holidays from other religions.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#108 Dec 7, 2012
Canon wrote:
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You prove your position! I'll wait!
My position is that I doubt your assertion that your god exists. I also doubt the Hindu assertion that Shiva, Vishnu, and their other gods exist. I also doubt Odin, Thor, Zeus, and all the other gods exist.

How many gods do you doubt actually exist -- " http://www.godchecker.com/" ;

I bet it's just 1 less than the number I doubt.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#109 Dec 7, 2012
Canon wrote:
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Interesting...why one would celebrate a religious holiday while they do not believe in Jesus?....I do not celebrate holidays from other religions.
The Winter Solstice celebrations have existed since long before you tried to claim it.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#110 Dec 7, 2012
Canon wrote:
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That's just silly :)
No sillier than trying to claim that lack of belief is a belief.

“Tis the Season for Reason!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#111 Dec 7, 2012
guest wrote:
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That doesn't change the fact that we're talking about an incident in Arkansas. You live in Georgia. Therefore, this in no way affects you and is none of your damn business.
Atlanta is a big town. I'm sure you can find something there to bitch about. Leave those of us who live in Arkansas to work out our own issues.
First, do you actaully know every member of the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers, and their domicile?

Second, the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers has some Sponsors that are National groups. Some of the people who post here are members or could be members of any of the groups.

So, your attempt of stifling debate because of residency is a moot point, i.e. of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic.

“Tis the Season for Reason!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#112 Dec 7, 2012
Canon wrote:
Arkansas Society of Freethinkers promote intolerance.
Wrong!

From their website:

We all benefit from a supportive community for friends, charity, and fostering a better understanding of secular values with our neighbors. Atheists, agnostics, freethinkers, humanists, skeptics, non-religious, lost tourists, and the generally confused are all welcome to join us!

It is often claimed that atheists are rare when in fact nearly 20% of our nation's population do not believe in a higher power. Still, atheists can feel isolated because the religious community is so organized and outspoken on issues. Building and participating in a community is the first step toward being heard.

Plus - the conversation is great!

The Arkansas Society of Freethinkers is an organization of secular individuals whose goals are to:

Build a supportive and active community.
Promote public acceptance of nonbelievers.
Defend science education and the separation of church and state.
Canon

Texarkana, TX

#113 Dec 7, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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The Winter Solstice celebrations have existed since long before you tried to claim it.
I've only recently heard of this...winter solstice....so your stating that I've tried to claim it is funny. The entire idea of winter solstice is funny to me. What about summer, spring and fall for that matter...giggles :)
Canon

Texarkana, TX

#114 Dec 7, 2012
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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Wrong!
I just call it like I see it!

“Tis the Season for Reason!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#115 Dec 7, 2012
Canon wrote:
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No, there is not. You live in the world created by GOD. How silly of you. I chuckle.
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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Proove it! We'll wait.
Canon wrote:
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You prove your position. We'll wait!
I have made no assertions of any "world created by GOD". You have made that positive assertion. Now it's incumbent on You, not Me, to offer the proof. And this time try not to be so silly as to ask me or anyone to prove a negative.

“Tis the Season for Reason!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#116 Dec 7, 2012
Canon wrote:
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I've only recently heard of this...winter solstice....so your stating that I've tried to claim it is funny. The entire idea of winter solstice is funny to me. What about summer, spring and fall for that matter...giggles :)
Let me guess - Hom Skooled are ya?
guest

United States

#117 Dec 7, 2012
MrDesoto1 wrote:
First, do you actaully know every member of the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers, and their domicile?
Nope, but the poster to whom I was responding resides in
Atlanta, GA. That means the he is in no way affected by a school in Little Rock, AR deciding to offer a field trip for students to attend a local church and watch a Charlie Brown play about Christmas.

The long and the short of it is that it's none of his damn business. And none of yours either unless you live in Arkansas.
Second, the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers has some Sponsors that are National groups.
Well BFD. Sending a couple dollars to some group in another location hardly makes this issue any of their damn business either.
So, your attempt of stifling debate because of residency is a moot point, i.e. of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic.
Residency is a key issue. As I've previously stated, we are a union of free and independent states. Laws vary from state to state. If you want to have voice about what occurs in Arkansas, then you must be a resident.

If you don't live here, then this issue is none of your damn business and you're just being a troll looking for something to whine about.

Besides, this whole discussion is purely academic. There was no violation of law, constitutional or otherwise. It all boils down to a handful of crybaby atheists who can't stand that this nation has a long history of religion that is deeply woven into the fabric of our society.

If you whining little bitches don't like public displays of religion, too damn bad. The rest of us don't want to hear about how bad your pussies hurt.

“Tis the Season for Reason!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#118 Dec 7, 2012
Canon wrote:
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I just call it like I see it!
Hint: Calling it honestly and accurately would aid your credibility and support your position. Being deceitful does the opposite. Furthermore, doesn't deliberately lying constitute a violation of one of your Ten (out of the 600 plus) favorite Commandments?

“Tis the Season for Reason!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#119 Dec 7, 2012
guest wrote:
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If you whining little bitches don't like public displays of religion, too damn bad. The rest of us don't want to hear about how bad your pussies hurt.
And here is the perfect example of the cult of xtianity.

“Tis the Season for Reason!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#120 Dec 7, 2012
guest wrote:
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Besides, this whole discussion is purely academic. There was no violation of law, constitutional or otherwise. It all boils down to a handful of crybaby atheists who can't stand that this nation has a long history of religion that is deeply woven into the fabric of our society.
Your xtain based anger issues stem from the fact that your religion is rapidly decling in America. The examples of anger and hatred that you and your cohorts have diplayed here would make any non-believer of your cults to seriouly weigh why they would want to associate with you all at all. It's no wonder people are leaving your myths in droves.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#121 Dec 7, 2012
Canon wrote:
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I've only recently heard of this...winter solstice....so your stating that I've tried to claim it is funny. The entire idea of winter solstice is funny to me. What about summer, spring and fall for that matter...giggles :)
Spring and fall are equinox events, not solstice events.

Primitive peoples began celebrating the Winter Solstice for very practical reasons. From Summer through Autumn the Sun at zenith appears to sink further and further to the South with each passing day. The Winter Solstice marks the point where the Sun stops moving South and begins to move back North. As these primitive people did not understand the celestial mechanics of this annual event, it was often seen as controlled by the various gods. The return of the warming Sun to their sky was seen as a very good and practical reason to celebrate.

The Roman Winter Solstice festival celebrated Saturnalia as one of their biggest celebrations of the year. The Sumarians celebrated the birth of Mithra also on the Winter Solstice, also a major celebration.

When Christianity came along, it could not convince people to give up their Winter party, so they co-opted these celebrations with their own religious celebration -- Christmas.

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