Arkansas Society of Freethinkers Denies "War on Christmas" Charge

Dec 5, 2012 Full story: arkansasmatters.com 233

The Arkansas Society of Freethinkers today rejected the claim that it is making war on Christmas.

"Those who stand up for the rights of children to be free from coercion aren't making war either on religion or Christmas," said ASF spokesperson LeeWood Thomas. "Rather, this is a case of a church forming an alliance with local government to violate religious freedom. So we in the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers feel compelled to take a stand on behalf of the parents under the U.S. Constitution."

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guest

United States

#62 Dec 6, 2012
MrDesoto1 wrote:
Unfortunately we see these violations of the law, i.e. concerning the separation of state and religion, occuring everywhere.
If you see a violation of law in your community or your state, then you might have grounds to enter the fray. If you don't live in Arkansas, then this is none of your damn business.

We are a union of free and independent states, not a monolith ruled by a handful of despots in DC.
Canon

Texarkana, TX

#63 Dec 6, 2012
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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Yes, the internet is great. It provides quick and easy access to the Facts the you myth followers detest.
Yes, the so called "fact" are highly disputable concerning internet findings.... so I suppose if you find it on the internet it's true....sounds like your into myths than I.
guest

United States

#64 Dec 6, 2012
MrDesoto1 wrote:
From the story:
"Merely allowing a child to opt out of a school-sponsored religious activity during the winter holidays is no solution,"
Itís a wonderful solution, and itís constitutional. Of course itís not the solution that atheists want, which is to remove every vestige of religion from public view everywhere in the country.

Thatís not going to happen. You butt hurt crybabies will just have to deal with it.
The founding fathers wrote the Bill of Rights to protect the minority from the majority.
And if youíd bother to read the 1st Amendment, youíd find that it limits what Congress can do, not what a local school chooses to do, especially if parents and their kids can opt out.
The most important thing to remember is that freedom of religion, if it is going to apply to everyone, also requires freedom from religion.
In this case, students were free to opt out, thus protecting their right not to be forced to participate. So what will you find to bitch about now?
Canon

Texarkana, TX

#65 Dec 6, 2012
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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From the story:
"Merely allowing a child to opt out of a school-sponsored religious activity during the winter holidays is no solution," said Anne Orsi, a Little Rock attorney and ASF vice president. "Such a situation exposes the children of minority faiths and outlooks to majority pressure and victimization. Thus the religious rights of children are being violated along with their right to privacy."
Your religion is psychologally harmful and divisive, especially for young children.
Not letting the little children who look forward all year to Christmas attend is harmful and divisive. Poor children, snot faced lawyers want to ruin Christmas fun for all the little children. The nerve!
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#66 Dec 6, 2012
guest wrote:
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And do you have separation of Church and state in the UK, or is the Queen the Supreme Governor of the Church of England? Thought so.
Couldn't agree more. Religionists are to blame for that situation, not the irreligious.

That situation is the fault of religionists. When the majority are tolerant of religions we are criticised for tolerating such a shameful anomoly. If we protested loudly enough to correct the situaton and disestablish the Church from the State, we are called intolerant or 'aggressive atheists'.
Canon

Texarkana, TX

#67 Dec 6, 2012
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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Yes there is freedom FROM religion.
No, there is not. You live in the world created by GOD. How silly of you. I chuckle.
Canon

Texarkana, TX

#68 Dec 6, 2012
Before you know it the athiest/freethinkers will try to take God out churches.... idiots!
Canon

Texarkana, TX

#69 Dec 6, 2012
Arkansas Society of Freethinkers promote intolerance.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#70 Dec 6, 2012
guest wrote:
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Itís a wonderful solution, and itís constitutional. Of course itís not the solution that atheists want, which is to remove every vestige of religion from public view everywhere in the country.
Thatís not going to happen. You butt hurt crybabies will just have to deal with it.
<quoted text>
And if youíd bother to read the 1st Amendment, youíd find that it limits what Congress can do, not what a local school chooses to do, especially if parents and their kids can opt out.
<quoted text>
In this case, students were free to opt out, thus protecting their right not to be forced to participate. So what will you find to bitch about now?
Actually, based on their actions, the local school apparently agreed that this was inappropriate.

And the local church which is putting on this play will still offer it to the community as a public performance, so any parent who wishes can take their child to see it -- entirely appropriate.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#71 Dec 6, 2012
Here's another article that seems to be on point --

" http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/guest-voi... ;

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#72 Dec 6, 2012
guest wrote:
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That's precisely my point. It's in regards to an elementary school in Arkansas. It doesn't have a damn thing to do with where you live in Atlanta, GA.
You don't have a dog in the fight. All you're here for is to whine like a little bitch.
Another example of christian hatred! But, that's what xtians know best: how to hate.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#73 Dec 6, 2012
Canon wrote:
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Stop spewing hatred. This is just an avenue for you to do so. Keep your hatred to yourself and stop spreading it around. Your religion of "hatred" is NOT welcome.
There you go lying AGAIN, and showing your true xtian colours.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#74 Dec 6, 2012
Canon wrote:
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Stop spewing hatred. This is just an avenue for you to do so. Keep your hatred to yourself and stop spreading it around. Your religion of "hatred" is NOT welcome.
It's not hatred on my part. You and your religion are the epitome of hatred, as you have so successfully displayed It's facts you all can't handle, just like the truth..
Canon

Texarkana, TX

#75 Dec 6, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Actually, based on their actions, the local school apparently agreed that this was inappropriate.
Not so....the school did no think it inappropriate, the church decided to schedule the program differently. So sad for little children.

"In the wake of some controversy over our Christmas production offered to schools, Agape Church wishes to salute the courageous stand that the Terry Elementary Principal made in not succumbing to the pressure of one complaint voiced to the Arkansas Society of Free Thinkers and media. We applaud the support that the Little Rock School District has shown to Mrs. Register, and agree with their position that attending the matinees was not a constitutional issue."

"While we regret the loss of students who will not get this particular opportunity right now, we have taken the school matinees off the table, and welcome parents to bring their children to our public performance schedule, Saturday, December 15 @ 2pm and 6pm, and Sunday, Dec. 16 @ 6pm."

Canon

Texarkana, TX

#76 Dec 6, 2012
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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There you go lying AGAIN, and showing your true xtian colours.
Why does it have to be about "colours" are you prejudice too? Good greif! Charlie Brown!!

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Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#77 Dec 6, 2012
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
If you see a violation of law in your community or your state, then you might have grounds to enter the fray. If you don't live in Arkansas, then this is none of your damn business.
We are a union of free and independent states, not a monolith ruled by a handful of despots in DC.
It's the civic duty of every citizen to bring to light and prevent any illegal formation of a Theocracy, or from it springing up anywhere that the U.S Constitution is the law of the land. It's too bad you shirk your responsibility, but that doesn't mean everyone will.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#78 Dec 6, 2012
Canon wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, the so called "fact" are highly disputable concerning internet findings.... so I suppose if you find it on the internet it's true....sounds like your into myths than I.
Your the one living in an aura of make-believe. So, you probably wouldn't know the simplest of facts because of your indoctrination.
Canon

Texarkana, TX

#79 Dec 6, 2012
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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It's not hatred on my part. You and your religion are the epitome of hatred, as you have so successfully displayed It's facts you all can't handle, just like the truth..
Yet...you accuse me of what you do. I am not a hater, I think any child that would want to enjoy a Christmas program should get to. How sad.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#80 Dec 6, 2012
Canon wrote:
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You live in the world created by GOD. How silly of you. I chuckle.
Proove it! We'll wait.
Canon

Texarkana, TX

#81 Dec 6, 2012
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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It's the civic duty of every citizen to bring to light and prevent any illegal formation of a Theocracy, or from it springing up anywhere that the U.S Constitution is the law of the land. It's too bad you shirk your responsibility, but that doesn't mean everyone will.
Yet....the Constitution doesn't say anything about a Christmas program for the little children. It has been twisted around to become something it was never intended. You should read writing of the founding fathers. They celebrated Christmas and likely did not deny the children.

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