Nothing boring in atheism

There are 12 comments on the Daily News story from May 29, 2013, titled Nothing boring in atheism. In it, Daily News reports that:

In response to Robert Koopmans' article What Value In Faith? . At the end, he comes up with this gem: "But I feel sorry for the atheists, too, because their rational world is devoid of wonder.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1 May 29, 2013
Rather humorous, that Robert would have written such things, and while this is a decent reply it sort of fails a bit to actually explain why Robert was wrong. Us atheists, we're often very well studied in at least one area of science, and science offers us a glimpse into wonder and glamor that religion tries to cover in shrouds of darkness and fear. Even Darwin wrote about the wonder and beauty of the world when seen through the eyes of science. But science has nothing to do with atheism, it is merely a coincidence that we have more time to study such things than religious nuts who are too busy pandering to their peers, leaders, and imaginary friend who lives in the sky.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#2 May 29, 2013
I can't help but pity any who have no wonder in their lives outside of religion. What a limited view of the universe!

“I'm out hunting”

Since: Jan 10

For your mind and soul

#3 May 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
But science has nothing to do with atheism, it is merely a coincidence that we have more time to study such things than religious nuts who are too busy pandering to their peers, leaders, and imaginary friend who lives in the sky.
Science does have a great impact on the growth of atheism. How can we reconcile scientific case, backed up by proof, of the process of evolution that has existed and still exists, over million years; and the stand of religious nuts who insist that God created the universe over a week.

“I'm out hunting”

Since: Jan 10

For your mind and soul

#4 May 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
Rather humorous, that Robert would have written such things, and while this is a decent reply it sort of fails a bit to actually explain why Robert was wrong. Us atheists, we're often very well studied in at least one area of science, and science offers us a glimpse into wonder and glamor that religion tries to cover in shrouds of darkness and fear. Even Darwin wrote about the wonder and beauty of the world when seen through the eyes of science. But science has nothing to do with atheism, it is merely a coincidence that we have more time to study such things than religious nuts who are too busy pandering to their peers, leaders, and imaginary friend who lives in the sky.
Richard Dawkins says that Science is corrosive to Religion and vice versa http://www.trendhunter.com/course/speeches-on...
He says that religion encourages us to operate on blind faith while science encourages us to operate based on evidence.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#5 May 30, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>Science does have a great impact on the growth of atheism. How can we reconcile scientific case, backed up by proof, of the process of evolution that has existed and still exists, over million years; and the stand of religious nuts who insist that God created the universe over a week.
Ah yes, but that is only one of millions of creation myths, others can, and often people find other, rather lame IMO, rationalizations for the inconsistency of the myths. So it's not impossible to reconcile the two, it just requires a lot of acrobatics because creation myths are from times when we knew almost nothing about anything. As I have said, the only reason atheists are so much more studied in science is that we have the time to do that, instead of wasting our lives away dedicated to something that has about the same chance of existing as a snowflake has on Mars, we get time to study the true beauty of the universe with the tool called science.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#6 May 30, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Richard Dawkins says that Science is corrosive to Religion and vice versa http://www.trendhunter.com/course/speeches-on...
He says that religion encourages us to operate on blind faith while science encourages us to operate based on evidence.
Yes again, but allowing things to take their natural course in this matter seems the best interest, the effect is still very slow in some people, the realization that their religion simply is not in tune with reality is not something that always happens over night, very few of us have the luck of being that analytical. Many atheists have stories of long deconversions, of slowly coming out of the cavern of religion and into the great, vast, and wonderful universe, and it always starts with education.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#7 May 31, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>Science does have a great impact on the growth of atheism. How can we reconcile scientific case, backed up by proof, of the process of evolution that has existed and still exists, over million years; and the stand of religious nuts who insist that God created the universe over a week.
actually some believers do try to say that words in the Bible are not literal, and a day is not the same to God as to us, and even that the big bang (which apparently some scientists believe in, with what looks too much like a faith to me, rather than a proven fact) is the way God created the universe. Even evolution can be accepted by the non-literal theists.

I think the better case is that the continuing open inquiry of science is contrary to the prevailing pressure of believers not to doubt and inquire beyond what they are taught to believe, and their assurance that they will learn the truth after death.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#8 May 31, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Ah yes, but that is only one of millions of creation myths, others can, and often people find other, rather lame IMO, rationalizations for the inconsistency of the myths. So it's not impossible to reconcile the two, it just requires a lot of acrobatics because creation myths are from times when we knew almost nothing about anything. As I have said, the only reason atheists are so much more studied in science is that we have the time to do that, instead of wasting our lives away dedicated to something that has about the same chance of existing as a snowflake has on Mars, we get time to study the true beauty of the universe with the tool called science.
interesting, your reactions and mine to the same quote. I like your use of the term the tool called science. I do not think that the universe is really characterized by what I would call "true beauty". It only looks that way from afar. Wait til we get hit by a bigger asteroid - it won't be beautiful, that part of the universe colliding with earth.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#9 May 31, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes again, but allowing things to take their natural course in this matter seems the best interest, the effect is still very slow in some people, the realization that their religion simply is not in tune with reality is not something that always happens over night, very few of us have the luck of being that analytical. Many atheists have stories of long deconversions, of slowly coming out of the cavern of religion and into the great, vast, and wonderful universe, and it always starts with education.
oops, what do you mean by great and by wonderful? It is great big. One wonders about it. But I would not use the term wonderful to imply approval, myself. I do like your very nice attitude when you write "very few of us have the luck of being that analytical". I do consider it to be very fortunate to be raised as an agnostic. I do not mind not being interested in scientific details, since it is the open-minded, inquiring attitude that does not insist on knowing, which is what I like about science, not the conclusions that some scientists have reached so far.

Since: Jun 07

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#10 May 31, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> oops, what do you mean by great and by wonderful? It is great big. One wonders about it. But I would not use the term wonderful to imply approval, myself. I do like your very nice attitude when you write "very few of us have the luck of being that analytical". I do consider it to be very fortunate to be raised as an agnostic. I do not mind not being interested in scientific details, since it is the open-minded, inquiring attitude that does not insist on knowing, which is what I like about science, not the conclusions that some scientists have reached so far.
If you think god is possible, you need to be scientific about it and prove it.

I don't believe for one second that you are an agnostic. You're likely another creationist posing as an agnostic.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#11 Jun 1, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> interesting, your reactions and mine to the same quote. I like your use of the term the tool called science. I do not think that the universe is really characterized by what I would call "true beauty". It only looks that way from afar. Wait til we get hit by a bigger asteroid - it won't be beautiful, that part of the universe colliding with earth.
Depends on how you look at it, which is my point in how wonder filled the universe is when seen through the eyes of science. Sure, being hit by a massive asteroid would be rather devastating at our current state of technology, but at the same time it is still very beautiful, the cascade of chemical reactions started by the collision, to the fracturing of the planet's crust and the expulsion of magma from the core cause by the shock wave ripples plowing through the sphere. Large chunks being thrown beyond the atmosphere at such a velocity as to collect, and gather, pulled to each other through by their own mass, drawn like flies to a flame and fusing into a new planetoid .... to be called the Moon one day. We have seen such things, not only in our past but also happening to other worlds. As someone once said, live as if you were to die tomorrow, but learn as if you were to live forever.

There can be a lot of beauty in the destruction that happens around us all the time, and it is always happening around us. The stars are the ultimate form of destruction, where atoms themselves are torn asunder colliding and forming new elements. Releasing enough energy to turn anything into gas in an instant. Vaporizing anything that draws too close, to fuel the forces that keep our world alive as it drags the planets through the galaxy at speeds we have only recently begun to comprehend. The mine field that is our galaxy, with black holes at the ready to swallow the solar system at any moment.

Due to our atmosphere it is more likely we will be swallowed by a black hole long before another asteroid large enough to pose a serious threat collides with us. You won't know when that happens, one moment everything seems as it should be, then in an instant it's all gone. Being unable to see that is the disappointing notion.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#12 Jun 1, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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If you think god is possible, you need to be scientific about it and prove it.
I don't believe for one second that you are an agnostic. You're likely another creationist posing as an agnostic.
A god is always possible, those posited by humans, though, are not very probable as the ones posited by humans would have evidence for certain. However very few things are truly impossible, as mentioned many times, we could all be living in a simulator and the "real" world could be very different from this one, the laws of physics there may be completely backwards even, but we have no way to know for certain. Science is the best tool for understanding our universe, whatever our universe may be.

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