Don't dictate beliefs

Sep 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Star Press

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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Feb 10, 2013
 
C Street Scandal, the Media, the Future of the Family: An Interview with Jeff Sharlet
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Read all of Bill Berkowitz’s articles here and sign up for his RSS feed here.*** Bill Berkowitz is a freelance writer and longtime observer of the conservative movement.

Before the Tea Party Express brought tens of thousands to protest in the nation’s capital, and before town hall meetings about health care devolved into shout downs, there was the story of the boys of C Street.

What at first seemed like a series of public sex scandals turned out to have a connective thread. The main protagonists (Governor Mark Sanford of South Carolina, Senator John Ensign of Nevada, and former Arkansas Congressman Chip Pickering) were all one-time residents of C Street and members of the Family, otherwise known as the Fellowship. As the summer unfurled, the “three amigos” gave mainstream media outlets plenty to talk about, and this highly secretive and powerful right-wing group got a lot of exposure. And then, as is the wont of the media, the story of C Street disappeared from the headlines.

In this exclusive Religion Dispatches interview, Jeff Sharlet, author of 2008’s The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power, talks about The Family and its summer of scandal, the organization’s tarnished present and future possibilities, and why the mainstream media had such a difficult time dealing with the group’s unusual political/religious beliefs.

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-Skeptic- wrote:
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When will you prove your god? Today? Tomorrow? Hurry up liar.
When you can prove your so-called lack of belief is not disbelief.
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Survive, sure, the cold survives in your body .... until you kill it. But without science you'd be working fields all day, all day, as in you'd have no free time at all.
Free time to do what? Gorge yourself on denatured foods and while away endless hours playing video games?
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<quoted text>You'd also die between 20 and 30 years after birth, about enough time to have two and a half children.
Since you believe this life is the only one you've got, you're bound to fixate on longevity. A short life lived in health is far better than a long life lived in ill health.
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<quoted text>You'd be extremely lucky to have all your teeth without science, most people didn't have any teeth after 30 if they lived that long.
You need to expand your repertoire of knowledge to include more than what you see on TV. Many people don't have teeth in our society because they can't afford the exorbitant cost of dentistry. 1 in 3 Americans wear dentures or partial plates due to gum disease and caries brought about by the sugar laden American diet.
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<quoted text>Science also makes sure that pricking your finger on a mineral deposit isn't a death sentence. It also provides you with healthy food all year long, so you don't starve in the winter. You also have the internet, thanks to science, lots and lots of science brought this to you.
As shocking as this may sound, people actually live and thrive in today's world without computers, plasma TV's, smartphones and microwave ovens. You are confusing need with want. There is a difference. People don't NEED a smartphone, they WANT them. Unfortunately technology, ever so willing to provide the world with an endless array of gadgets, has erased the line between what makes life possible and what makes life comfortable.

Natural food, shelter and clean water is what makes life possible. If more people spent time outside working in the sun, and eating healthy food from their own gardens, they wouldn't be running to doctors and gyms to counteract the unhealthy aspects of today's technologically "comfortable" lifestyle.

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Not to mention the bigot naturally leaves out that his forum much like topix was flooded with angry Christian bigots like himself.
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Pure projection in the last part.

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Hey I took a dump, do you want me to send you the god-stuff or is it ok to flush it?

:)
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Free time to do what? Gorge yourself on denatured foods and while away endless hours playing video games?
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Since you believe this life is the only one you've got, you're bound to fixate on longevity. A short life lived in health is far better than a long life lived in ill health.
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You need to expand your repertoire of knowledge to include more than what you see on TV. Many people don't have teeth in our society because they can't afford the exorbitant cost of dentistry. 1 in 3 Americans wear dentures or partial plates due to gum disease and caries brought about by the sugar laden American diet.
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As shocking as this may sound, people actually live and thrive in today's world without computers, plasma TV's, smartphones and microwave ovens. You are confusing need with want. There is a difference. People don't NEED a smartphone, they WANT them. Unfortunately technology, ever so willing to provide the world with an endless array of gadgets, has erased the line between what makes life possible and what makes life comfortable.
Natural food, shelter and clean water is what makes life possible. If more people spent time outside working in the sun, and eating healthy food from their own gardens, they wouldn't be running to doctors and gyms to counteract the unhealthy aspects of today's technologically "comfortable" lifestyle.

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The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:

History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed. Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today’s Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on those with out Jesus. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers.
Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.
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Stalin
Himler
Hitler
Mao
Fidel Castro
Lenin
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Now wonder you are regarded as a joke
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Hey I took a dump, do you want me to send you the god-stuff or is it ok to flush it?
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Eat it like you do your snot, dingleberry.
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So whose snot do you eat?
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Eat it like you do your snot, dingleberry.

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No myself being an atheist I could never eat the god-stuff although it seems you are a god-stuff water and want other to do as you do. Shall I mail you some god-stuff next time I take a Christ?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a!
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Eat it like you do your snot, dingleberry.

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No myself being an atheist I could never eat the god-stuff although it seems you are a god-stuff water and want other to do as you do. Shall I mail you some god-stuff next time I take a Christ?
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a!
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If there is no god, there can be no god-stuff. Go ahead, eat it.

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People of reason won't eat god-stuff but believers do! Just ask Ezekiel :)
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If there is no god, there can be no god-stuff. Go ahead, eat it.
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Ezekiel 4:12-15. Hilarious.
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People of reason won't eat god-stuff but believers do! Just ask Ezekiel :)
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Givemeliberty wrote:
People of reason won't eat god-stuff but believers do! Just ask Ezekiel :)
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People of reason are open minded. You don't qualify. You're scraping the bottom of your excuse barrel, Sparky. Do it. Eat it.
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The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:
History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed. Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today’s Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on those with out Jesus. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers.
Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.
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Utter crap.
The vatican celebrates Hitlers birthday????
Youre probably some idiot who wears a sandwich board at bus stops with the message that reptilians rule the earth.

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The outgoing pope was in the Hitler Youth.
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The vatican celebrates Hitlers birthday

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The outgoing pope was in the Hitler Youth.
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Lenin was baptised and raised in the Russian Orthodox faith. So?
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They're both cu*ts?
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Lenin was baptised and raised in the Russian Orthodox faith. So?

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Yes indeed lol!
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Ezekiel 4:12-15. Hilarious.
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And Stalin was going to be a priest for them, he was and is a saint in their eyes for all the help he gave the church.

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Lenin was baptised and raised in the Russian Orthodox faith. So?

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Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>No myself being an atheist I could never eat the god-stuff although it seems you are a god-stuff water and want other to do as you do. Shall I mail you some god-stuff next time I take a Christ?

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Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a

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I am especially proud of my volunteer work and donations to the humanist cause. Every year I go to the Philippines and spend thousands on food,water, clothing and medicine for the needy there. After a horrific typhoon and flooding there I was there amongst others 14 hours a day handing out supplies, giving life saving injections and treatments to those who lost their home. I stood and watched as homeless children lined up easily 3 miles deep for a package of crackers sandwich fruit and bottle of water. Unwanted children who were born because the Christian ran theocracy light government makes it nearly impossible for a woman to obtain birth control. My wife is in pre-med classes and wants to practice medicine there free to help those poor children. Here in the states I collect donations for running in marathons with the money going to children's charities and cancer or HIV awareness programs.
I have seen first hand time and time again the damage and heart breaking situations brought on by theists. The same theists who come crawling to us to help fix their mess! Oh but while we are fixing it are we thanked? Nope. We barely get the figurative broom in hand and they are shrieking at us for not believing in their imaginary friend.
Honor? I guess it is a relative term. The dozen of urban low income students I assist for free with their biology and pharmaceutical homework at two different colleges locally would probably say good ole KJ is an alright dude.
Now if coming on topix and giving the theists a little taste of backbone, the theists who try to intimidate and silence non believers because they think we should all be meek and humble and tolerate their abuse and repeated logical fallacies makes me vile, Without reason, Disrespectful, In someone's opinion? So be it, hmmm I will chuckle about how vile And disrespectful I am Friday at U of L for the 6 hours I am assisting the students there as a volunteer. Or perhaps this summer as I am passing out thousands of dollars worth of free medicine and other essentials trying to save some more homeless from dying. Yes I was walking by a group of people there and they were huddled together praying loudly and crying. I looked in and a young girl was on the ground dying of dehydration. Instead of getting her water and rushing her to the hospital they stood there holding hands and praying! I grabbed my cell phone and called for an ambulance and started trying to get her to drink. Slowly she sipped the water as the praying continued. The ambulance came after almost an hour and reluctantly took her to the hospital, the paramedic said she was good as dead and best leave it in the hands of Jesus same thing the crowd thought. She died 18 hours later. They didn't even know her name and couldn't figure it out.
I guess I'll somehow deal with being called disrespectful.
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"I semi-retired except for collecting and inspecting my rental properties. I live comfortably off my stock dividends, porn sites I own, early retirement from work and rental properties here in the states and in the Philippines. "

OMG. It's getting better all the time!!!

You're retired except for Porn and your wife is still in school!

Baaaaahaaaaaahaaaaa
Please stop!!!!

Lol BAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA !!!!

Liberty wrote:
I am a 32 year old multi-racial man with a Johnson bigger than anyone in your family

BAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA !!!!
BAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA !!!!

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