Don't dictate beliefs

[It aint necessarily so]

derek4 wrote:

Did Mr. Haggard repent? I don't know, and neither do you – that's between him and God. If he did repent, he's been forgiven. If he did not, he will be held accountable.

There's that cheap Christian forgiveness on demand.

And no, Mr. Haggard's hypocritical homophobia is not forgiven. I don't forgive it, and I doubt too many other skeptics do, either. I hold the good reverend accountable whether he mutters demands at his ceiling fan or not.

And not for snorting illicit powders off of the nut-sack of his man-whore in a motel, but for being a hateful and hypocritical homophobe like his god, and teaching others to be as well.

[-Skeptic-]

KJV wrote:

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"Good person who doesn't believe = burn in hell for a million times a billion times a trillion years."
You obviously have no idea how long eternity is. LOL.

Neither do you, but then again, you think the earth is 6000 years old, so your concept of time is proven to be f*cked.

[It aint necessarily so]

derek4 wrote:

Prominent scientist discovers that God indeed exists.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-ne...
No copyrighted material was reproduced in this post.

"One of Britain's most prominent atheists has decided that God might exist after all."

Even in the dementia that characterized Mr. Flew's alleged eleventh hour conversion, he still rejected "God" - your god.

What Flew allegedly did in his dotage was still an extreme repudiation of faith and Christianity. It is claimed that in his dotage, he became a deist.

Flew was still evidence based until the end, even when senile. His waning intellect concluded that the universe implied a creator after all.

And this is touted as a great victory by the theists even though Flew continued to reject all mythologies, religions, and dogmas, including Christianity and Jehovah-Jesus, who he considered a mythological character like the Kraken.

He rejected magical thinking, prayer and miracles.

He rejected virgin births and resurrections.

He rejected divine revelation and holy books.

He rejected heaven, hell, angels, and demons.

He rejected sin, grace, the soul, salvation, and damnation.

In fact, Flew rejected everything held sacred and self-evident to a Christian.

And to Christians, he is in hell.

I have no argument with deists. They make good citizens and good neighbors. For example, they don't damage America with antiscientific propaganda, nor scapegoat atheists or gays.

[Khatru]

KJV wrote:

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But there is no evidence against Genesis and Exodus. And that's all the proof you need. LOL

According to the Bible, Moses went up Mount Sinai a few times.

While he was up there, down below at the foot of the mountain were approximately 3 million Jews, 600,000 goats and sheep, 300,000 cattle and about 10,000 wagons.

I guess you know that not a single campsite, midden or sign of occupation has been found in Sinai.

Why do you think that is?

Perhaps it's because this is just a myth?

[Khatru]

KJV wrote:

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Too much for you?
I've known that for quite some time.
Back to the pop up books for you. LOL

Not too much for me - I know it's all BS

Not so you believers, who can't agree among yourselves which version of your death cult is the correct one.

[It aint necessarily so]

derek4 wrote:

Bradley Monton, science philospher and atheist, carefully argues that intelligent design deserves serious consideration as a scientific theory.

Intelligent design deserves no consideration as a scientific theory. It's not even a scientific hypothesis. It's just a claim.

ID has already gotten serious consideration, at the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial for one, where it was found to be unscientific and unsupported by evidence. Nobody's ever defined irreducible complexity in a way in which it can be positively identified when present, which is what makes the claim for it unscientific. It's as vague a concept as holy, blessed, sacred, and soul.

[Khatru]

KJV wrote:

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New Living Translation (©2007)
Isaiah 43:10
"But you are my witnesses, O Israel!" says the LORD. "You are my servant. You have been chosen to know me, believe in me, and understand that I alone am God. There is no other God--there never has been, and there never will be.

Going by your name, I thought you'd use the King James Version:

Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Here we can clearly see your god referring to a time before and after him.

[Khatru]

KJV wrote:

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So because science took man to the moon and back you will now accept anything with the science stamp on it.
Rather pitiful!

I was simply taking one of the many spectacular successes of science and contrasting it with one of the many spectacular failures of religion.

Yes, it does demonstrate the pitiful nature of religion.

[Khatru]

KJV wrote:

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Maybe everything goes to hell if not saved by God. Sense you don't believe in God he can't help you. See ya!

Saved?

Saved from what?

The wrath of an angry god?

[Astrosurf]

Science tells us with great superiority that we humans, close relatives of the chimpanzee, are the very pinnacle of creation, not only the most intelligent creatures on earth but the whole universe.

We live on a tiny speck in the corner of an infinitely old universe surrounded by an infinite number of galaxies, stars, and planets, and our only reason for being there is to die. Such presumptive baloney - such conceit! I can't believe educated people can swallow this mythical crap and call themselves intelligent let alone think they have a reason to criticize Christians for their beliefs!

[Richardfs]

Astrosurf wrote:

Science tells us with great superiority that we humans, close relatives of the chimpanzee, are the very pinnacle of creation, not only the most intelligent creatures on earth but the whole universe.
We live on a tiny speck in the corner of an infinitely old universe surrounded by an infinite number of galaxies, stars, and planets, and our only reason for being there is to die. Such presumptive baloney - such conceit! I can't believe educated people can swallow this mythical crap and call themselves intelligent let alone think they have a reason to criticize Christians for their beliefs!

Name ONE scientist who says we are the most intelligent creatures in the verse?

[Just Think]

Astrosurf wrote:

Science tells us with great superiority that we humans, close relatives of the chimpanzee, are the very pinnacle of creation, not only the most intelligent creatures on earth but the whole universe.
We live on a tiny speck in the corner of an infinitely old universe surrounded by an infinite number of galaxies, stars, and planets, and our only reason for being there is to die. Such presumptive baloney - such conceit! I can't believe educated people can swallow this mythical crap and call themselves intelligent let alone think they have a reason to criticize Christians for their beliefs!

No scientist has stated we are the most intelligent creature in the universe. Seriously, you're making yourself look silly...

[Hedonist]

Astrosurf wrote:

Science tells us with great superiority that we humans, close relatives of the chimpanzee, are the very pinnacle of creation, not only the most intelligent creatures on earth but the whole universe.
We live on a tiny speck in the corner of an infinitely old universe surrounded by an infinite number of galaxies, stars, and planets, and our only reason for being there is to die. Such presumptive baloney - such conceit! I can't believe educated people can swallow this mythical crap and call themselves intelligent let alone think they have a reason to criticize Christians for their beliefs!

So what you are saying is atheism is the arrogant belief that the entire universe with its billions of galaxies was not created just for us.

[Lincoln]

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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There's that cheap Christian forgiveness on demand.
And no, Mr. Haggard's hypocritical homophobia is not forgiven. I don't forgive it, and I doubt too many other skeptics do, either. I hold the good reverend accountable whether he mutters demands at his ceiling fan or not.
And not for snorting illicit powders off of the nut-sack of his man-whore in a motel, but for being a hateful and hypocritical homophobe like his god, and teaching others to be as well.

Are there too many uses of " I" in this post?

Look beyond yourself?

[tagit]

Just Think wrote:

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No scientist has stated we are the most intelligent creature in the universe. Seriously, you're making yourself look silly...

"There is a commonly heard argument that life must be common or else it would not have arisen so quickly after the surface of the Earth cooled," Winn said. "This argument seems persuasive on its face, but Spiegel and Turner have shown it doesn't stand up to a rigorous statistical examination — with a sample of only one life-bearing planet, one cannot even get a ballpark estimate of the abundance of life in the universe.

When we use a mathematical prior that truly represents prior ignorance, the data of early life on Earth becomes ambiguous," Spiegel said."Our analysis suggests that abiogenesis could be a rather rapid and probable process for other worlds, but it also cannot rule out at high confidence that abiogenesis is a rare, improbable event," Spiegel said."

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/04/...

[derek4]

Just Think wrote:

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No scientist has stated we are the most intelligent creature in the universe. Seriously, you're making yourself look silly...

There are exceptions to every rule.

You have demonstrated your lack of intelligence with every post you've made.

[derek4]

Khatru wrote:

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I was simply taking one of the many spectacular successes of science and contrasting it with one of the many spectacular failures of religion.
Yes, it does demonstrate the pitiful nature of religion.

Christianity wins, evolution fails.

[Khatru]

Astrosurf wrote:

Science tells us with great superiority that we humans, close relatives of the chimpanzee, are the very pinnacle of creation, not only the most intelligent creatures on earth but the whole universe.
We live on a tiny speck in the corner of an infinitely old universe surrounded by an infinite number of galaxies, stars, and planets, and our only reason for being there is to die. Such presumptive baloney - such conceit! I can't believe educated people can swallow this mythical crap and call themselves intelligent let alone think they have a reason to criticize Christians for their beliefs!

Show us where science says we are the pinnacle of creation/the most intelligence creatures in the universe.

[derek4]

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

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Science found the corruption and corrected it. You can count on Science to do that at some point. Scientists do that because they are interested in truth.
Religion never corrects itself. I guess that is because Religion is not interested in truth. There is no truth in faith.

You're wrong. Science often doesn't find fraud. I have pointed this out in many posts with credible sources. You have been unresponsive to the particulars of those incidents, since you have no case. Thank goodness we have government watchdogs to monitor science. And thank goodness you're not a scientist on one of the corrupt peer-review groups that have been in the news as failing us.

While many "religions" need to correct themselves, fortunately, Christianity is correct just as it is. That's the beauty of it.

[-Skeptic-]

derek4 wrote:

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Christianity wins, evolution fails.

Lying creationist troll with no proof of god, who doesn't understand science or respect hard evidence.