Don't dictate beliefs

[polymath257]

KJV wrote:

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"The strongest scientific argument in favor of string theory is that it appears to contain a theory of gravity embedded within it and thus may provide a solution to the thorny problem of reconciling Einstein's general relativity with quantum mechanics and the rest of particle physics. There are, however, two fundamental problems, which are hard to get around.
First, string theory predicts that the world has 10 space-time dimensions, in serious disagreement with all the evidence of one's senses. Matching string theory with reality requires that one postulate six unobserved spatial dimensions of very small size wrapped up in one way or another. All the predictions of the theory depend on how you do this, but there are an infinite number of possible choices, and no one has any idea how to determine which is correct.
The second concern is that even the part of string theory that is understood is internally inconsistent. This aspect of the theory relies on a series expansion, an infinite number of terms that one is supposed to sum together to get a result. Whereas each of the terms in the series is probably finite, their sum is almost certainly infinite. String theorists actually consider this inconsistency to be a virtue, because otherwise they would have an infinite number of consistent theories of gravity on their hands (one for each way of wrapping up six dimensions), with no principle for choosing among them.
The "M" Word
These two problems have been around since the earliest work on string theory along with the hope that they would somehow cancel each other out. Perhaps some larger theory exists to which string theory is just an approximate solution obtained by series expansion, and this larger theory will explain what's going on with the six dimensions we can't see. The latest version of this vision goes under the name of "M-theory," where the "M" is said variously to stand for "Membrane," "Matrix," "Mother," "Meta," "Magic" or "Mystery"ýalthough "Mythical" may be more appropriate, given that nearly eight years of work on this idea have yet to lead to even a good conjecture about what M-theory might be."
http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/issue...

Yes, string theory is going out of favor for exactly these reasons. Once again, the essence of a scientific theory is the ability to predict new observations. String theory has been given a lot of rope, but has produced very little except a few frayed results.

Are you thinking there are no alternative theories out there?

[Givemeliberty]

I have said before we atheists should be able to use this forum as a tax wrote off for all the teaching and council we give to the theists.

Surely this counts as volunteer work?

Adam wrote:

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I know I used to myself defend imaginary sky people when I was on the kool aid. But you would think instead they would show a little gratitude for helping them out.

[KJV]

polymath257 wrote:

<quoted text>Yes, string theory is going out of favor for exactly these reasons. Once again, the essence of a scientific theory is the ability to predict new observations. String theory has been given a lot of rope, but has produced very little except a few frayed results.

Are you thinking there are no alternative theories out there?

No there is a theory out there that will replace Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. Not uniting them but replacing them both. That's my thoughts.

[-Skeptic-]

KJV wrote:

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No there is a theory out there that will replace Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. Not uniting them but replacing them both. That's my thoughts.

you don't have thoughts, you're a creationist.

[KJV]

Thinking wrote:

<quoted text>No he hasn't. Because you're lying.

Posted earlier by derek4

Study: Atheists Have Lowest 'Retention Rate' Compared to Religious Groups

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.

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Gray also noted that, "of those raised as atheists, 30% are now affiliated with a Protestant denomination, 10% are Catholic, 2% are Jewish, 1% are Mormon, and 1% are Pagan."

Jehovah's Witness, congregationalist and holiness churches had the next lowest retention rates at 37 percent, 37 percent and 32 percent, respectively. Thirty-eight percent of those who grew up with no particular religious faith or belief system remained that way.

Hindus had the highest retention rate at 84 percent, followed by Jews (76 percent), Muslims (76 percent), Greek Orthodox (73 percent), Mormons (70 percent) and Catholics (68 percent).

Baptists had the highest retention rate of the Protestant Christian categories at 60 percent, followed by Lutheran (59 percent) and Pentecostal (50 percent).
http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...

[Right; NO thinking people don't want to be atheists.]

From: Deseret News / Salt Lake City, UT

July, 2012

“Atheists abandon their beliefs more often than people in other religious groups, study finds”

A new study has found that people raised in an atheist home abandon those beliefs as adults more often than people raised with other religious belief systems, putting atheism at a 30 percent retention rate. Conclusions and interpretations of the study are that atheists are more often "made" as adults rather than "raised." The highest retention rates are in the Hindu faith, which holds onto about 84 percent of adherents.

Those who grow up in an atheist household are least likely to maintain their beliefs about religion as adults, according to a study by Georgetown University's Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA).

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765589392/...

[Who would want to be an atheist? LOL]

[KJV]

Thinking wrote:

<quoted text>7+ posts in a row gets you another "Cuntard of the Day" award.

Way to go, cuntard!

Way to respond with nothing AGAIN!

Aturd of the Day!

[KJV]

Adam wrote:

<quoted text>Interesting. I was also a believer when I first went on topix.

So the twisting of scripture by Satan's little helper and their all out lies about it has halted your believe? I guess you really didn't know what you believed anyways. Enjoy your life!

[KJV]

Adam wrote:

<quoted text>Not necessarily attractive. Just a question of chosing REALITY over fanasty.

Please explain spontaneous life.

REALITY LOL.

[Ooogah Boogah]

KJV wrote:

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Please explain spontaneous life.
REALITY LOL.

Please explain "God of the Gaps". I hear he gets smaller every day.

[derek4]

polymath257 wrote:

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I, for one, will reply in this forum. You can ignore the posts if you really want to, but the discussion can happen here even if you don't participate.

What an amazing expression of insecurity when you feel the need to announce your plans.

[derek4]

Just Think wrote:

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Actually, an atheist could live in a hut and never, ever even care about science.
You lose.

Lose what? We're not playing the lottery here, lol.

[derek4]

polymath257 wrote:

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That article didn't even rise to the level of bad science. It was simply wrong in most particulars (which we know you wouldn't understand).

Remember to share your dubious expertise with the web page publishers, lol.

[derek4]

Givemeliberty wrote:

I have said before we atheists should be able to use this forum as a tax wrote off for all the teaching and council we give to the theists.
Surely this counts as volunteer work?
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Tax advantages are reserved for churches where values are taught.

You have nothing to offer.

[derek4]

KJV wrote:

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Posted earlier by derek4
Study: Atheists Have Lowest 'Retention Rate' Compared to Religious Groups
Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.
There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.
Continued:
Gray also noted that, "of those raised as atheists, 30% are now affiliated with a Protestant denomination, 10% are Catholic, 2% are Jewish, 1% are Mormon, and 1% are Pagan."
Jehovah's Witness, congregationalist and holiness churches had the next lowest retention rates at 37 percent, 37 percent and 32 percent, respectively. Thirty-eight percent of those who grew up with no particular religious faith or belief system remained that way.
Hindus had the highest retention rate at 84 percent, followed by Jews (76 percent), Muslims (76 percent), Greek Orthodox (73 percent), Mormons (70 percent) and Catholics (68 percent).
Baptists had the highest retention rate of the Protestant Christian categories at 60 percent, followed by Lutheran (59 percent) and Pentecostal (50 percent).
http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...
[Right; NO thinking people don't want to be atheists.]
From: Deseret News / Salt Lake City, UT
July, 2012
“Atheists abandon their beliefs more often than people in other religious groups, study finds”
A new study has found that people raised in an atheist home abandon those beliefs as adults more often than people raised with other religious belief systems, putting atheism at a 30 percent retention rate. Conclusions and interpretations of the study are that atheists are more often "made" as adults rather than "raised." The highest retention rates are in the Hindu faith, which holds onto about 84 percent of adherents.
Those who grow up in an atheist household are least likely to maintain their beliefs about religion as adults, according to a study by Georgetown University's Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA).
Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.
There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765589392/...
[Who would want to be an atheist? LOL]

Thank you for re-posting that. Atheist parents bear a lot of grief since most of their children leave their godless religion.

[derek4]

Scientists express “bewilderment” about how many living molecular machines in our cells work, let alone how they “supposedly” evolved. They look designed. That's because they were.

http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/nhm...

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[derek4]

The concern is increasing that most scientific research findings that get published are false.

With all the fraud and retractions we see, that concern is justified.

http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/...

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[derek4]

It's time to take another look at fraud scientist Hwang Woo-suk, from South Korea.

Wow, what a name!

Dr. Woo-suk faked data in stem cell research.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/aug/03...

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[derek4]

Here's a video from Fox News on junk science and scientists involved in political corruption:

www.video.foxbusiness.com/v/4159451/top-five-...

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[KittenKoder]

derek4 wrote:

Scientists express “bewilderment” about how many living molecular machines in our cells work, let alone how they “supposedly” evolved. They look designed. That's because they were.
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/nhm...
No copyrighted material was reproduced in this post.

You do realize that irreducible complexity was already debunked, and has been many times over, right?

[Ooogah Boogah]

derek4 wrote:

It's time to take another look at fraud scientist Hwang Woo-suk, from South Korea.
Wow, what a name!
Dr. Woo-suk faked data in stem cell research.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/aug/03...
No copyrighted material was reproduced in this post.

If Hwang Woo-suk discredits all of science, then Ted Haggard discredits all of Christianity.

Check and mate.