Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11180 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#11062 Jan 12, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
New International Version (©1984)
his body well nourished, his bones rich with marrow.
New Living Translation (©2007)
the picture of good health, vigorous and fit.
English Standard Version (©2001)
his pails full of milk and the marrow of his bones moist.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
His sides are filled out with fat, And the marrow of his bones is moist,
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
His body is well fed, and his bones are full of marrow.
International Standard Version (©2012)
His buckets are filled with milk, his bone marrow is healthy.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
His breasts are full of milk, and his bones are moistened with marrow.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
His stomach is full of milk, and his bones are strong and healthy.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
His breasts are full of milk, and his bones are moistened with marrow.
American King James Version
His breasts are full of milk, and his bones are moistened with marrow.
American Standard Version
His pails are full of milk, And the marrow of his bones is moistened.
Douay-Rheims Bible
His bowels are full of fat, and his bones are moistened with marrow.
Darby Bible Translation
His sides are full of fat, and the marrow of his bones is moistened;
English Revised Version
His breasts are full of milk, and the marrow of his bones is moistened.
Webster's Bible Translation
His breasts are full of milk, and his bones are moistened with marrow.
World English Bible
His pails are full of milk. The marrow of his bones is moistened.
Young's Literal Translation
His breasts have been full of milk, And marrow his bones doth moisten.
So many different bibles- so many different meanings.

No wonder christians are confused.

You'd have thought that the supreme being of the universe would have done more to ensure his message gets through loud and clear.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11063 Jan 12, 2013
KJV wrote:
Well little red one. The Bible never claims God made Hell. The Bible only explains how to avoid Hell.
“Then He will also say to those on His left,‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels" - Matthew 25:41

Who prepared hell?
KJV wrote:
Nice the way you heathens try and make the Bible sound just the opposite of what it is.
That's just what I was thinking about you Christians.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#11064 Jan 12, 2013
KJV wrote:
God has alway been and will always be.
No he's not.

Isaiah 43:10

Your god admits to a time before and after him when there was/will be no god.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#11065 Jan 12, 2013
KJV wrote:
But I regress.
How far back do you regress?

Can you go back to a time before humans developed and you were some ape creature living in trees?

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#11066 Jan 12, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Are we to accept anything that has a science stamp on it with out question. Has science earned this right?
I think not.
Science took men to the moon and back.

What has religion achieved recently?

Oh yes, shooting a 14-year-old girl in the head for wanting an education.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#11067 Jan 12, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Well little red one. The Bible never claims God made Hell. The Bible only explains how to avoid Hell. Nice the way you heathens try and make the Bible sound just the opposite of what it is.
So who made Hell?

Clearly your god approves of Hell.

The Bible may not say that your god made Hell but he certainly enabled its existence.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11068 Jan 12, 2013
KJV wrote:
"Humanism has failed.

It has failed because it does not give people a vital place in the universe. It has failed because people care more about where we are going than whence we came, more about morality than reality, more about meaning than facts, more about "why?" than "how", more about warm emotion than cold reason."
Humanism hasn't failed - ever. In fact, it has been a resounding success wherever it has been applied.

It is Christianity that has failed, both intellectually and morally, and is dying because of it. It's intellectual bankruptcy is evident in its selfish war on science, which it attempts to demean whatever the cost to others, and in its ceaseless scandals and hypocrisies. That priest thing was a big setback for Jesus.
KJV wrote:
"Until we who are without gods and demons and heavens and hells can provide those things, our worldview will remain marginal."
Sorry. We're actually removing gods, not providing them. And it will make the world a better place. Sure, it's more difficult at first, but well worth the effort. Belief in a cosmic eye in the sky always watching, judging, and tallying reward and punishments is infantilizing. You can't grow up if the baby sitter never leaves, or if the cop is always in the rear view mirror.

Once you have faced the frightening aspects of existence squarely and learned to cope with them maturely, the fear goes away. Only then can you proceed to self-actualization.
KJV

United States

#11069 Jan 12, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>I thought you claimed your god made everything? Now you're saying it's really everything except hell?

Okay, but he allows hell to exist then, right? Or he can't really get ride of hell? Omnipotent or not?

And even given all of these problems with the existence of hell itself, does not your god still send people there to suffer for all eternity? That would argue against omnibenevolence.

KJV wrote, "<quoted text>
The Bible only explains how to avoid Hell.
"

Tell me, are we saved by grace or actions?

KJV wrote, "<quoted text>
Nice the way you heathens try and make the Bible sound just the opposite of what it is.
"

"It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." ~ Samuel Clemens
Everything in our universe was made by God. No where in the Bible does it state that God created Hell. It only talks about it.

"does not your god still send people there to suffer for all eternity?"

He does cast Lucifer and the rebelling angles into hell. However the Bibles message is how to avoid going to hell.
What is the message science given us from science?

We are lucky to have life.
We are mere animals.
The morality of the masses is correct.
cannibalism is ok if the majority of tribe says its ok.

Chow down!
KJV

United States

#11070 Jan 12, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>No, you cherry pick the definition that serves your purpose and pretend that there are no other dictionaries or definitions, and that the matter is settled definitively.

"His breasts are full of milk." - Job 21:24
Cherry Pick? LOL

Because I quote solid sources to back up my believes? What the hell am I to do post atheist view points? LOL

You're kidding right? LOL

Merriam-Webster
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity

JOB 21:24

his body well nourished, his bones rich with marrow.
New Living Translation (©2007)
the picture of good health, vigorous and fit.

English Standard Version (©2001)
his pails full of milk and the marrow of his bones moist.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
His sides are filled out with fat, And the marrow of his bones is moist,

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
His body is well fed, and his bones are full of marrow.

International Standard Version (©2012)
His buckets are filled with milk, his bone marrow is healthy.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
His breasts are full of milk, and his bones are moistened with marrow.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
His stomach is full of milk, and his bones are strong and healthy.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
His breasts are full of milk, and his bones are moistened with marrow.

American King James Version
His breasts are full of milk, and his bones are moistened with marrow.

American Standard Version
His pails are full of milk, And the marrow of his bones is moistened.

Douay-Rheims Bible
His bowels are full of fat, and his bones are moistened with marrow.

Darby Bible Translation
His sides are full of fat, and the marrow of his bones is moistened;

English Revised Version
His breasts are full of milk, and the marrow of his bones is moistened.

Webster's Bible Translation
His breasts are full of milk, and his bones are moistened with marrow.

World English Bible
His pails are full of milk. The marrow of his bones is moistened.

Young's Literal Translation
His breasts have been full of milk, And marrow his bones doth moisten.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#11071 Jan 12, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Everything in our universe was made by God. No where in the Bible does it state that God created Hell. It only talks about it.
"does not your god still send people there to suffer for all eternity?"
He does cast Lucifer and the rebelling angles into hell. However the Bibles message is how to avoid going to hell.
What is the message science given us from science?
We are lucky to have life.
We are mere animals.
The morality of the masses is correct.
cannibalism is ok if the majority of tribe says its ok.
Chow down!
Once again a Christian demonstrates what monsters they truly are inside. If not for your Magic Sky Daddy's book, you would be a practicing cannibal.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11072 Jan 12, 2013
KJV wrote:
Everything in our universe was made by God. No where in the Bible does it state that God created Hell. It only talks about it.
I confess. Hell was my creation, not your god's.
KJV wrote:
"does not your god still send people there to suffer for all eternity?" He does cast Lucifer and the rebelling angles into hell. However the Bibles message is how to avoid going to hell.
Is that a "yes" then? I'm taking it as a yes. I may have made hell, but your god sends souls there. He pays me a royalty every time.
KJV wrote:
What is the message science given us from science?
"The weather is here. Wish you were beautiful."
KJV

United States

#11073 Jan 12, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>KJV wrote, "Hmmm you believe that the lack of proof is proof. "

That's very, very close. Incredibly close. Let me reword it slightly anyway: You have it backwards. Authentic science, which debunks the claims of Genesis and Exodus, is a threat to your church.
But there is no evidence against Genesis and Exodus. And that's all the proof you need. LOL
KJV

United States

#11074 Jan 12, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>So many different bibles- so many different meanings.

No wonder christians are confused.

You'd have thought that the supreme being of the universe would have done more to ensure his message gets through loud and clear.
Too much for you?
I've known that for quite some time.
Back to the pop up books for you. LOL

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11075 Jan 12, 2013
KJV wrote:
His breasts are full of milk, and his bones are moistened with marrow.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)

His breasts are full of milk, and his bones are moistened with marrow.
American King James Version

His breasts are full of milk, and his bones are moistened with marrow.
American Standard Version

His breasts are full of milk, and the marrow of his bones is moistened.
Webster's Bible Translation

His breasts are full of milk, and his bones are moistened with marrow.
World English Bible

His breasts have been full of milk, And marrow his bones doth moisten.
WTF?
KJV

United States

#11076 Jan 12, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>“Then He will also say to those on His left,‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels" - Matthew 25:41

Who prepared hell?

KJV wrote, "Nice the way you heathens try and make the Bible sound just the opposite of what it is."

That's just what I was thinking about you Christians.
It does not say does it?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11077 Jan 12, 2013
KJV wrote:
But there is no evidence against Genesis and Exodus. And that's all the proof you need. LOL
No evidence against Genesis or Exodus?

There were no six days of creation (BBT, ToE) nor any global flood.
There was no Egyptian captivity, exodus or battle of Jericho. http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html
KJV

United States

#11078 Jan 12, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>No he's not.

Isaiah 43:10

Your god admits to a time before and after him when there was/will be no god.
New Living Translation (©2007)
Isaiah 43:10
"But you are my witnesses, O Israel!" says the LORD. "You are my servant. You have been chosen to know me, believe in me, and understand that I alone am God. There is no other God--there never has been, and there never will be.
KJV

United States

#11079 Jan 12, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Science took men to the moon and back.

What has religion achieved recently?

Oh yes, shooting a 14-year-old girl in the head for wanting an education.
So because science took man to the moon and back you will now accept anything with the science stamp on it.

Rather pitiful!
KJV

United States

#11080 Jan 12, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>So who made Hell?

Clearly your god approves of Hell.

The Bible may not say that your god made Hell but he certainly enabled its existence.
Maybe everything goes to hell if not saved by God. Sense you don't believe in God he can't help you. See ya!
KJV

United States

#11081 Jan 12, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Humanism hasn't failed - ever. In fact, it has been a resounding success wherever it has been applied.

It is Christianity that has failed, both intellectually and morally, and is dying because of it. It's intellectual bankruptcy is evident in its selfish war on science, which it attempts to demean whatever the cost to others, and in its ceaseless scandals and hypocrisies. That priest thing was a big setback for Jesus.

KJV wrote, ""Until we who are without gods and demons and heavens and hells can provide those things, our worldview will remain marginal.""

Sorry. We're actually removing gods, not providing them. And it will make the world a better place. Sure, it's more difficult at first, but well worth the effort. Belief in a cosmic eye in the sky always watching, judging, and tallying reward and punishments is infantilizing. You can't grow up if the baby sitter never leaves, or if the cop is always in the rear view mirror.

Once you have faced the frightening aspects of existence squarely and learned to cope with them maturely, the fear goes away. Only then can you proceed to self-actualization.
"humanism also has a coherent (if dynamic and evolving) account of the world, stitched together out of scientific cosmology, evolutionary biology, history, and moral philosophy. However, in the humanistic worldview, these strands are not commingled: though the universe is significant for the existence of people, it is also entirely indifferent to their wellbeing. For humanists, all meaning and purpose in human existence is provided on a human scale. Humanists have faith that we can provide all the meaning we need ourselves, from our concerns, out of our own ideas and philosophies. In the face of the infinite, however, these meanings and purposes dissolve into absolute and utter insignificance. The humanist’s universe might provoke dizzying awe, but it is a distant awe compared with the more limited but also more intimate awe of the religious."

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