Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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KJV

United States

#11002 Jan 11, 2013
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for re-posting that. Atheist parents bear a lot of grief since most of their children leave their godless religion.
It needed to be reestablished, what the kiddy do when they wake up from the atheist myths like spontaneous life.
KJV

United States

#11003 Jan 11, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>You do realize that irreducible complexity was already debunked, and has been many times over, right?
Merriam-Webstar

debunk:
What anyone would do if KK was in the bunk.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#11004 Jan 11, 2013
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>
You aren't capbale of taking notice of much, are you, lol?
Maybe Kitten will forgive you for the way you treated her. You better apologize to her.
Beautiful flowers in your avatar. They're fake, like you, but at least they is right purty, lol.
True, I take no notice of that which does not exist.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#11005 Jan 11, 2013
derek4 wrote:
Scientists express “bewilderment” about how many living molecular machines in our cells work, let alone how they “supposedly” evolved. They look designed. That's because they were.
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/nhm...
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From your link

"Scientific understanding requires both facts and theories that can explain those facts in a coherent manner. Evolution, in this context, is both a fact and a theory. It is an incontrovertible fact that organisms have changed, or evolved, during the history of life on Earth. And biologists have identified and investigated mechanisms that can explain the major patterns of change."

Nice to know you support this.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11006 Jan 12, 2013
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
Givemeliberty wrote:
Nicely said and awesome quote. I can foresee me using that one :)
Thanks.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11007 Jan 12, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Reality is the collection of real entities, those being defined as the objects and processes which can be experienced, or which potentially can be experienced. Such objects are real.
polymath257 wrote:
My own definition runs something like this: "reality consists of whatever is common to all maximally predictive observational theories".
That's an interesting approach. Here's another:

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.”- Phillip K. Dick

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11008 Jan 12, 2013
derek4 wrote:
Yes, many notable people will be suffering along with you. Enjoy!
Oooh! So scary! So very, very scary! Dim his shaking his Scary Chicken on the stick with jingly bells at us. We're supposed to swoon in fear.

"Arise, Chicken! Arise"

@ Dim - hey, Dim. The Scary Chicken is useless here. You've already gleaned all of the low-lying fruit that can be captured with such a vapid threat. If you want to recruit more Christians with the Chicken, you'd be better off taking it to day cares and pre-schools.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11009 Jan 12, 2013
derek4 wrote:
You have enough love for all of us. Thank you for sharing it, lol.
You've never demonstrated a single scintilla of humanity in this thread, Dim. You have nothing positive to say about anything, including your religion. You have never once been kind, happy, supportive, or constructive. You are 100% negative, hostile and bitter.

Your ministry is counterproductive, and your witness is repulsive. You fortify the convictions of others not just that you are incorrect, but that your religion generates a undesirable neighbors.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#11010 Jan 12, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Oooh! So scary! So very, very scary! Dim his shaking his Scary Chicken on the stick with jingly bells at us. We're supposed to swoon in fear.
"Arise, Chicken! Arise"
@ Dim - hey, Dim. The Scary Chicken is useless here. You've already gleaned all of the low-lying fruit that can be captured with such a vapid threat. If you want to recruit more Christians with the Chicken, you'd be better off taking it to day cares and pre-schools.
Here's some voodoo chicken I could get into :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11011 Jan 12, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
For you, everything else is subjected to a statistical pseudo-analysis and rated unlikely - except the unlikeliest thing possible: an infinite creature. That gets a pass. What makes you believe that a god could exist uncreated?
KJV wrote:
We do not know what is outside of our universe other then there is a heaven and a hell. That there is a God and Angels. I will not go down any road that would be pure speculation. No need for that.
I'm afraid that that ship long since has sailed.

It also dodges the question. How could an infinite god exist undesigned if you claim that simpler things like life allegedly cannot?

You don't need to answer. Your refusal is your answer.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11012 Jan 12, 2013
KJV wrote:
Please go ahead an list the passages you wish to discuss.
"His breasts are full of milk." - Job 21:24

WTF?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#11013 Jan 12, 2013
derek4 wrote:
The concern is increasing that most scientific research findings that get published are false.

With all the fraud and retractions we see, that concern is justified.

http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/...

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Serious question for you.

Why is science so threatening to you?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#11014 Jan 12, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>Please explain spontaneous life.

REALITY LOL.
If he could at this time, he would assuredly win a Nobel prize.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11015 Jan 12, 2013
KJV wrote:
Atheist is a Religion.
Religion
Synonyms: credo, creed, cult, FAITH, persuasion
faith\ˈfāth\
noun
b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Atheism
Belief that there is no Deity or Deities.
Hence - Atheism = Religion
One of your premises is flawed. Atheism is not the firm belief that no god exists. It's the rejection of unfounded claims about gods, often accompanied by the tentative belief -not firm - that there are probably no gods.

It's the word firm that distinguishes between religious faith and secular belief. Religious faith is 100% certain without evidence and despite contradictory evidence. Show me a god, and I'm a believer that day. Bill Maher said it well:

"I’m open to anything for which there is evidence. Show me a god and I will believe in him. If Jesus Christ comes down from the sky during the halftime show of this Sunday’s Super Bowl and turns all the nachos into loaves and fishes, I’ll think ...“Oh look at that, I was wrong. There he is. My bad. Praise the lord!"

That is not firm belief based on nothing, which is what religion is. That is tentative belief commensurate with present evidence.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11016 Jan 12, 2013
sarafina wrote:
The fact that it looks designed implies intelligence.
Not much.

Understanding that complexity can arise spontaneously implies more intelligence.

http://onlytheblogknowsbrooklyn.com/wp-conten... [undesigned snowflake]

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11017 Jan 12, 2013
derek4 wrote:
Atheism is a scientific religion requiring great faith.
Science will be the death of faith, which of course is why you attack it so viciously and single-mindedly, like some kind of pus cell defending a wound.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11018 Jan 12, 2013
derek4 wrote:
“Might well be”? Lots of “mights” in science, lol.
But none in your rigid dogma, laughing boy, which is why it is being so easily shattered by the more intellectually supple science.
http://images.hollywood.com/site/COTT_Hamlin....

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11019 Jan 12, 2013
derek4 wrote:
Love is very important in the Bible.“God is love.”
Your religion has the sickest definition of love going. You call the most vicious monster in all of fiction omnibenevolent - the one said to have subjected humanity to multiple genocides, a flood, an apocalypse, and then plans to keep his soul alive to experience agonizing pain for eternity in a torture pit he built run by a demon god that he made. This is what Christians call perfect love.

Now let's let it leaders - the people you Christians elevate to leadership positions- speak for the love of your god:

[1] Mother Teresa learned to "think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people." It's easy to see how looking at an image of Christ on a crucifix. As a result, she sent millions of dollars donated to her hospices to comfort the dying poor to the Vatican treasury, and just let them suffer.

[2] Here's a little more Christian love: "I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism." - Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue. 1993

[3] From the loving Martin Luther:“What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn. Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them."

[4] From Hitler: "In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison."

[5] From Bush Sr.: "No, I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.”

And some more from less well known Christians :

[6]“I figured a way out — a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers. But I couldn’t get it passed through Congress. Build a great big large fence, 150 or 100 mile (sic) long. Put all the lesbians in there. Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals. Have that fence electrified so they can’t get out. Feed ‘em, and– And you know what? In a few years they’ll die out. You know why? They can’t reproduce.”- North Carolina Pastor Charles Worley

[7] And from this thread, we have Langoliers at http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... : " God needs no help he just lets us have some fun, he waiting to wipe you off the face of the earth because he said we need to have some fun. So he left 2.3% of all atheist on earth for us to torment."

[8] And also from this thread is KJV at http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... : "You see we just want to make sure that while you're not in heaven but in the other place we want you to relive all of these moments that put you there. To haunt you for all eternity while flames burn the flesh off of your bones."

[9] From our good friend Just Results at http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TB4V0KF... : "I am so thrilled that smelly greasy shit like you will endure thermal and mechanical tortures for eternity in Hell. Hopefully you are involved in a tragic metal crushing car accident, resulting in your beheadedness, you awful demented dehumanizing sack of trash." His Christian buddy agreed with him.

Sorry, but you people haven't got a clue what love is.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11020 Jan 12, 2013
sarafina wrote:
I can't help wondering why atheists would find such a belief system attractive? Before Darwin, man at least felt that God put him on earth for certain purposes no matter how distorted those purposes.
Rationalists don't choose our beliefs based on how comfortable or important they make us feel.

“It is no defense of superstition and pseudoscience to say that it brings solace and comfort to people…If solace and comfort are how we judge the worth of something, then consider that tobacco brings solace and comfort to smokers; alcohol brings it to drinkers; drugs of all kinds bring it to addicts; the fall of cards and the run of horses bring it to gamblers; cruelty and violence bring it to sociopaths. Judge by solace and comfort only and there is no behavior we ought to interfere with.”- Isaac Asimov

Beliefs should be based on evidence. Reality is a little intimidating, but with perseverance, you can learn to stand upright and face it on its own terms. Try standing up like the bipedal ape you were born to be, and look out into the universe, which may be almost empty, and which may contain no gods at all. Then face and accept the very real possibility that we may be all there is for light years.

Accept that you may be vulnerable and not watched over.

Accept the likelihood of your own mortality and finititude.

Accept the reality of your insignificance everywhere but earth, and that you might be unloved except by those who know you - people, and maybe a few animals.

Because as far as we know, that's how it is.

It's more difficult at first than the comforting swaddling of religion, but be brave! Religion's comfort comes at a great price. It's infantilizing, and costs you your only shot at a mature, authentic,self-actualized existence.

For example, with an imagined baby sitter watching, judging,and potentially rewarding or punishing him 24/7, a theist can never know the ineffable joy of doing good for goodness sake, with no expectation that anyone will ever praise or reward him for it.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11021 Jan 12, 2013
derek4 wrote:
In the spirit of their concern about honesty, atheists should want to rid the planet of bad science.
There's something else that needs expunging even more urgently.

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