Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11178 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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Since: Mar 11

United States

#10825 Jan 9, 2013
So you were going for the stupid.
KJV wrote:
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That's ok I was not going for the laughs.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#10827 Jan 9, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Me, too.
Are you old enough to remember the TV series I Spy? Bill Cosby was the first black actor in a leading role in a television series. What is even more remarkable is that he didn't play a black man. The actor was black, but the character was raceless, not ethnic.
BTW, was that a yes or a no?
I like old shows but I don't think that I am that old. I remeber Fat Albert and Picture pages.. sort of.
That would be a yes.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#10828 Jan 9, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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OK. I see your point. I agree. I try to never let the Christian frame the discussion whenever I'm aware its happening.
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I see no problem letting them frame the discussion. They end up wrong no matter who leads. One way takes longer but they always end up backing themselves into a corner.
Also, people tend to learn better when not directly confronted or told outright that their ideas are wrong. It works best to ease them into the concept than to attempt humiliate them into submission. I understand that with religion it is not as easy as it would be with physics because of the fall back of "godditit".
But what do I know?..
http://www.cie.uci.edu/prepare/shock.shtml


"when we teach, we must take into account what the learners know, including their incorrect knowledge."
http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/pdfs/research/... (Muller).pdf
I understand that his paper is on teaching physics with multimedia but it does cover how people learn and it is quite interesting.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#10829 Jan 9, 2013
I have had people say that it's more productive to dub yourself an agnostic because it doesn't hurt the theist's feelings so much. It's nicer and gentler. But that seems cruel to me because I would be misleading them.

To me an honest realty which may seem cold to some is better than a comforting lie. These are adults and as adults they should be able to deal with reality.
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>I see no problem letting them frame the discussion. They end up wrong no matter who leads. One way takes longer but they always end up backing themselves into a corner.
Also, people tend to learn better when not directly confronted or told outright that their ideas are wrong. It works best to ease them into the concept than to attempt humiliate them into submission. I understand that with religion it is not as easy as it would be with physics because of the fall back of "godditit".
But what do I know?..
http://www.cie.uci.edu/prepare/shock.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =cY_o4A1wzsgXX
"when we teach, we must take into account what the learners know, including their incorrect knowledge."
http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/pdfs/research/... (Muller).pdf
I understand that his paper is on teaching physics with multimedia but it does cover how people learn and it is quite interesting.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10830 Jan 9, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
It's never too early to instill conformity. I've got some ideas for advertising bumper stickers.

Babies who wear Huggies, never become druggies. If you put Pampers on your child, they'll never go wild.
How about "It's never too early to instill conformity"?

Here are my contributions:

"Are you borin' again?"
"Praise the lowered."

Since: Mar 11

United States

#10831 Jan 9, 2013
Oh and as a follow up I have noticed many non believers hide away from the term atheist even though they are without theism. Often they at some point cite negative traits associated with the term atheist that are by the way placed on the term by theists. Or how a theist may perhaps be offended by someone calling themselves an atheist. Why should I care about their bigotry? That is their issue not mine.

Now in the end I could care less if a non believer calls themselves a super awesome reason loving non believing in deities dude/chick. That being said allowing theists to exercise that control over you because of their ill conceived notions is unacceptable to me.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10832 Jan 9, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
What are the odds of the parts of an infinite god finding one another without an intelligent designer? Zero? My money is on a gene existing without a god before a god existing without a gene.
KJV wrote:
So you're a betting man.
You introduced probability when you assigned the odds of a 300 nucleotide sequence forming at 1 in 4E300. I thought that you were the betting man. I just showed you which was the better bet.

Why do you keep ignoring the argument above? Does you god get a pass from your analysis? For you, everything else is subjected to a statistical pseudoanalysis and rated unlikely - except the unlikeliest thing possible: an infinite creature. That gets a pass.

What make you believe that a god could exist uncreated? And if one could form, why not a race of them? Does the first one keep eating the new ones that form from the same process that formed it?

You apparently have no answer to any of that, so you just keep ignoring the god side of the problem. I guess that is your answer.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#10833 Jan 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I have had people say that it's more productive to dub yourself an agnostic because it doesn't hurt the theist's feelings so much. It's nicer and gentler. But that seems cruel to me because I would be misleading them.
To me an honest realty which may seem cold to some is better than a comforting lie. These are adults and as adults they should be able to deal with reality.
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I find that some theists dislike agnostics just as much as they dislike atheists. That issue doesn't matter much. To most if you don't follow a religion you are an atheist.
The term reality can be a confusing thing.
http://www.newscientist.com/special/reality
http://www.bowperson.com/309BrainScienceWeb.p...
http://uwf.edu/wmikulas/Webpage/learning/intr...

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#10834 Jan 10, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"Choice? Like there is no book, and your name hasn't been written there-in? If your name is not there, can you do anything to get it put in? If your name is there, can you do anything that would get your name taken out?"
Yes choice
Yes there is a book of life.
Yes our name are in that book.
Yes you can get you name added to the book of life.
Yes just keep doing what you're doing. That should keep your name out of that book.
Your book has already called all atheists fools and wicked people and I've never met a single Christian who has asked for that disgusting insult to be removed from your books.

That shows how hateful you people are when it comes down to the ink and paper in your cult's manual.

You preach love, while in your book is hatred for all to see.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#10835 Jan 10, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>I find that some theists dislike agnostics just as much as they dislike atheists. That issue doesn't matter much. To most if you don't follow a religion you are an atheist.
The term reality can be a confusing thing.
http://www.newscientist.com/special/reality
http://www.bowperson.com/309BrainScienceWeb.p...
http://uwf.edu/wmikulas/Webpage/learning/intr...
You don't find anything - you're not a researcher, you don't have a valid opinion - your just a mere creationists sing as an agnostic atheist .

Whenever the conversation becomes about how atheism factually beats theism, you chime in and disrupt e conversation.

That is your game, and it's up.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#10836 Jan 10, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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You don't find anything - you're not a researcher, you don't have a valid opinion - your just a mere creationists sing as an agnostic atheist .
Whenever the conversation becomes about how atheism factually beats theism, you chime in and disrupt e conversation.
That is your game, and it's up.
You are the one disrupting the conversation here.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#10837 Jan 10, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>You are the one disrupting the conversation here.
Just one click to e previous page shows how you bring up nonsesical subjects when the going gets tough for your cult online.

It's proven you're a f*cking troll. Where's your other troll alter ego nano?

Have you toned her down because too many people were noticing your anti atheist stance?

This forum has nothing for you, I suggest you go back to your cult and ask em to teach you basic honesty.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#10838 Jan 10, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>I find that some theists dislike agnostics just as much as they dislike atheists. That issue doesn't matter much. To most if you don't follow a religion you are an atheist.
The term reality can be a confusing thing.
http://www.newscientist.com/special/reality
http://www.bowperson.com/309BrainScienceWeb.p...
http://uwf.edu/wmikulas/Webpage/learning/intr...
Reality isn't that confusing, you creationists try to obfuscate straightforward factual arguments by trying to discuss wider issues that have no relevance to e fact that your cult is a fraud.

Out of all the creationist trolls, you are the most pseudo intellectual.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10839 Jan 10, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
A pleasure as always IANS I hope you have been doing well.
Yes, thank you. And the same in return.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#10840 Jan 10, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Reality isn't that confusing, you creationists try to obfuscate straightforward factual arguments by trying to discuss wider issues that have no relevance to e fact that your cult is a fraud.
Out of all the creationist trolls, you are the most pseudo intellectual.
You either dislike science, did not follow the links, or have a reading disability. Your problems not mine.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#10841 Jan 10, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Oh and as a follow up I have noticed many non believers hide away from the term atheist even though they are without theism. Often they at some point cite negative traits associated with the term atheist that are by the way placed on the term by theists. Or how a theist may perhaps be offended by someone calling themselves an atheist. Why should I care about their bigotry? That is their issue not mine.
Now in the end I could care less if a non believer calls themselves a super awesome reason loving non believing in deities dude/chick. That being said allowing theists to exercise that control over you because of their ill conceived notions is unacceptable to me.
Allowing anyone to exercise control of anyone should be disturbing to everyone.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10842 Jan 10, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>I see no problem letting them frame the discussion. They end up wrong no matter who leads. One way takes longer but they always end up backing themselves into a corner.
Also, people tend to learn better when not directly confronted or told outright that their ideas are wrong. It works best to ease them into the concept than to attempt humiliate them into submission. I understand that with religion it is not as easy as it would be with physics because of the fall back of "godditit".
But what do I know?..
http://www.cie.uci.edu/prepare/shock.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =cY_o4A1wzsgXX
"when we teach, we must take into account what the learners know, including their incorrect knowledge."
http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/pdfs/research/... (Muller).pdf
I understand that his paper is on teaching physics with multimedia but it does cover how people learn and it is quite interesting.
Thanks for that. I didn't realize that you were a skeptic.

"Also, people tend to learn better when not directly confronted or told outright that their ideas are wrong."

You may already know that while I do try to get along with any theist that is willing, I no longer post to the theists, even when I am answering them. To my knowledge, I have never posted a single words that changed a theist's mind, so I no longer feel that I have any responsibility to choose words with them in mind.

I would help any of them I could if I knew how, but that's simply impossible. In my experience, once the church has had them for a few years, they either tunnel out on their own with or without help if they still have the resources to do so, or they're gone for good. Thus my words are always written with the skeptics that might be reading them in mind.

But thanks for your interest.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#10843 Jan 10, 2013
KJV wrote:
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I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't have a god.
No one does, it's all pretense.
Joe

Dublin, Ireland

#10844 Jan 10, 2013
Good night

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Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#10845 Jan 10, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for that. I didn't realize that you were a skeptic.
"Also, people tend to learn better when not directly confronted or told outright that their ideas are wrong."
You may already know that while I do try to get along with any theist that is willing, I no longer post to the theists, even when I am answering them. To my knowledge, I have never posted a single words that changed a theist's mind, so I no longer feel that I have any responsibility to choose words with them in mind.
I would help any of them I could if I knew how, but that's simply impossible. In my experience, once the church has had them for a few years, they either tunnel out on their own with or without help if they still have the resources to do so, or they're gone for good. Thus my words are always written with the skeptics that might be reading them in mind.
But thanks for your interest.
Actually, I know that is not entirely true. When I first came to Topix I was a full on believer working on becoming a pastor but, my encounters on here with certain posters swayed me considerably. They would post links, hit certain talking points and ask me questions. I listened to what they had to say, read their posted articles, and learned. During that time I also noticed that there are those that do nothing but abuse, from either side. I admit I was a noob to the interwebs blah blah blah.. long story short.. I learned two things. Yes, I am a skeptic but, I still find the history/ anthropology behind religious beliefs interesting, though not as much as I used to, and I dislike narrow minded douche bags.

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