Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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#10737 Jan 9, 2013
The atheist religion assures us that there is no purpose to our existence.

The only thing we have to look forward to is pain and suffering followed by death and decay.

“Survival of the fittest” may only add a few meaningless years to the healthiest atheist, but all is pointless.

Unfortunately, atheism has no solution to this gloomy dilemma.

http://www.whypain.org/

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#10738 Jan 9, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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Is that the question you kept referring to? No wonder I couldn't remember, it's the same old question that atheists ask all the time – nothing sets it apart from the run-of-the-mill atheist questions we hear every day asking for proof of God. So why do you bother to ask it?
It's already been answered for you time and again in many different ways by Christians. If you choose not to accept the answers you've already been given over and over and over and over and over, then why do you need more answers? Are you just plain dense?[YES]
God is the Creator of heaven and earth and everything else. The Bible was not written by “someone”(s) imagination. It has many authors, spanning centuries. None of it has ever been proven untrue. People try all the time, and fail, because there are valid explanations for anything that on the surface appears to be a discrepancy. One part of it refers to another, confirms another, and all can be reconciled. Why would so many authors from so many centuries create an imaginary story? How could they confer with one another to do so when their lives did not overlap? Why would they endure persecution and die for an imaginary belief? What was to be gained?
Science is your god. It has failed you so many times.
Why should anyone accept science and it's fraud? Why should anyone believe Darwin, a sick bodied, sick minded man who conspired with fraudulent scientists to produce this “theory” back in the 1850's? What peer review groups checked out his work? How credible were the peer review groups? What of the unanswered or badly answered questions evolution has never resolved that have been posted here? You put your faith in all that? You truly live in a faith filled imaginary world full of potholes, fake evidence, and lies.
What about all the people like you who believed what Lamarck told them? They believed he was right, just as you believe Darwin was right. Lamarck was wrong. His followers were wrong. Darwin was wrong, and you are wrong.
http://www.arn.org/docs/dardoc1.htm
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In other words, there is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof of any god's existence.

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#10739 Jan 9, 2013
Science tries to explain, but terminates in blind alleys.

Science has failed us.

http://www.economist.com/node/13813436

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#10740 Jan 9, 2013
“Thomas Paine, atheist, had a pathetic death.

A nurse who attended him in his final hour reported that he said:

"I would give worlds had I not written The Age Of Reason. Oh, Lord help me. Oh Christ help me. Stay with me for God's sake. Send even a little child to stay with me. It is hell to be alone. If the devil ever had an agent I am that one."

http://www.pulpittoday.com/sermons/view/54

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#10741 Jan 9, 2013
What did Francis Newport have to say when he died at age 88?

“Oh, that I could lie for a thousand years upon the fire that is never quenched, to purchase the favor of God and be united to Him again. But it is a fruitless wish. Millions and millions of years will bring me no nearer the end of my torments than one poor hour. Oh, eternity, eternity forever and forever! Oh, the insufferable pangs of Hell!”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Newport,...

Francis Newport, lost for all eternity; still in flames.

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#10742 Jan 9, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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In other words, there is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof of any god's existence.
There is no proof that you accept - just asyou haven't provided proof of evolution. Both our sides have already stated it using your meaningless simplistic terms, which is why I elaborated. If you have nothing new to say, it's really pointless for you to post, lol. On the other hand, if posting it helps to reassure yourself of your fraudulent atheistic belief, feel free to do so. But to continue posting the same thing that you do for the next 40 years, doesn't change anything, nor help your lost cause.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#10743 Jan 9, 2013
derek4 wrote:
What did Francis Newport have to say when he died at age 88?
“Oh, that I could lie for a thousand years upon the fire that is never quenched, to purchase the favor of God and be united to Him again. But it is a fruitless wish. Millions and millions of years will bring me no nearer the end of my torments than one poor hour. Oh, eternity, eternity forever and forever! Oh, the insufferable pangs of Hell!”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Newport,...
Francis Newport, lost for all eternity; still in flames.
How can any sane and loving human being be happy in heaven knowing that millions of people, innocent or not, are being tortured for eternity?

This heaven is a place void of empathy, an asylum for psychopaths.

Apparently you would fit right in.

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#10744 Jan 9, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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How can any sane and loving human being be happy in heaven knowing that millions of people, innocent or not, are being tortured for eternity?
This heaven is a place void of empathy, an asylum for psychopaths.
Apparently you would fit right in.
So those who go to heaven are supposed to want to go to hell and be unhappy with those who made the wrong choice?

Not me.

But I'd suggest you don't go to heaven then. If you want to be unhappy in hell with the millions who chose it for themselves, that's your right.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#10745 Jan 9, 2013
derek4 wrote:
The atheist religion assures us that there is no purpose to our existence.
The only thing we have to look forward to is pain and suffering followed by death and decay.
“Survival of the fittest” may only add a few meaningless years to the healthiest atheist, but all is pointless.
Unfortunately, atheism has no solution to this gloomy dilemma.
Disagree. The fact that there is no afterlife, means that we make the most of our time here; without the need to place false hope or fear in the time after we die. This makes life more precious and each day important.

We each make our own purpose for our lives as we see fit.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#10746 Jan 9, 2013
Nice one! There are a lot of lazy thinkers on this forum... must be a belief thing.
Hedonist wrote:
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There's also another way to get the point across --
" http://lmgtfy.com/... ;
KJV

United States

#10747 Jan 9, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>Only if you regard "nature" as intelligent and natural processes as "design".
You believe nature designed us.
Anything capable of designing a human must I would think be intelligent.

Right? Or am I not understanding you correctly?
KJV

United States

#10748 Jan 9, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, it does, in a manner of speaking "cross it off the list."
No. It can't there is no intelligent's there to say well this failed so I will not try that combo again lets try this instead.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#10749 Jan 9, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>No. It can't there is no intelligent's there to say well this failed so I will not try that combo again lets try this instead.
That's called survival.

When something fails, it dies.

Dead things don't reproduce.

I would think you would at least know that.

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#10750 Jan 9, 2013
derek4 wrote:
Science tries to explain, but terminates in blind alleys.
Science has failed us.
http://www.economist.com/node/13813436
You sound like someone from the Dark Ages...

“Think&Care”

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#10751 Jan 9, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Assume that the ribozyme is 300 nucleotides long, and that at each position there could be any of four nucleotides present. The chances of that ribozyme assembling are then 4^300, a number so large that it could not possibly happen by chance even once in 13 billion years, the age of the universe.
This calculation is wrong. The first problem is the the early ribozymes would not have been 300 nucleotides long. The more realistic length is 20-50. There are known catalytic stretches of RNA that catalyze significant reactions (like glucolysis) in fewer than 20 nucleotides.

But the more basic problem is that you calculate the probability of a ribosyme arising in one step spontaneously from a sea of nucleotides that assemble via random processes. That is NOT how it would have proceeded. The way we *actually see* this happen is that small stretches of RNA form and combine. it is a process involving many steps, NOT a single step process. This alone greatly increases the odds of spontaneous formation by many orders of magnitude.

Another basic mistake is that you select *one* particular ribozyme instead of looking for *any* ribozyme that does an important step of metabolism. Since many different sequences are possible for the exact same reaction *and* since there are so many different metabolic steps, the odds are again significantly increased. Furthermore, working small stretches of RNA can form the core of larger structures and even catalyze the formation of those larger structures.

In other words, your calculation is faulty on several different lines: incorrect size of ribozymes, assumption of independence of each linkage, calculation of the wrong probability, not allowing for alternative routes to same function, etc. Each and every one of your mistakes significantly misrepresents the resulting probability.

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#10752 Jan 9, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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There is no proof that you accept - just asyou haven't provided proof of evolution. Both our sides have already stated it using your meaningless simplistic terms, which is why I elaborated. If you have nothing new to say, it's really pointless for you to post, lol. On the other hand, if posting it helps to reassure yourself of your fraudulent atheistic belief, feel free to do so. But to continue posting the same thing that you do for the next 40 years, doesn't change anything, nor help your lost cause.
In other words, there is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof of any god's existence.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#10753 Jan 9, 2013
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>Is that the question you kept referring to? No wonder I couldn't remember, it's the same old question that atheists ask all the time – nothing sets it apart from the run-of-the-mill atheist questions we hear every day asking for proof of God. So why do you bother to ask it?

It's already been answered for you time and again in many different ways by Christians. If you choose not to accept the answers you've already been given over and over and over and over and over, then why do you need more answers? Are you just plain dense?[YES]

God is the Creator of heaven and earth and everything else. The Bible was not written by “someone”(s) imagination. It has many authors, spanning centuries. None of it has ever been proven untrue. People try all the time, and fail, because there are valid explanations for anything that on the surface appears to be a discrepancy. One part of it refers to another, confirms another, and all can be reconciled. Why would so many authors from so many centuries create an imaginary story? How could they confer with one another to do so when their lives did not overlap? Why would they endure persecution and die for an imaginary belief? What was to be gained?

Science is your god. It has failed you so many times.

Why should anyone accept science and it's fraud? Why should anyone believe Darwin, a sick bodied, sick minded man who conspired with fraudulent scientists to produce this “theory” back in the 1850's? What peer review groups checked out his work? How credible were the peer review groups? What of the unanswered or badly answered questions evolution has never resolved that have been posted here? You put your faith in all that? You truly live in a faith filled imaginary world full of potholes, fake evidence, and lies.

What about all the people like you who believed what Lamarck told them? They believed he was right, just as you believe Darwin was right. Lamarck was wrong. His followers were wrong. Darwin was wrong, and you are wrong.

http://www.arn.org/docs/dardoc1.htm

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How's that computer of yours working?

When do you suppose your god will be coming out with the next upgrade?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#10754 Jan 9, 2013
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>When you and Kitten can't find the words, you dismiss it with another “nothing” post. Hahahaha - way to go, atheists. I see that all the time – it's from atheist training school memo #101.

What's even funnier is that you both copied each other (or you copied her) and dismissed one point YOU made that I actually agreed with you on about the “prosperity gospel”. Had you been a faster thinker, you could have used that to your own advantage, but no, you hurt your own cause by missing the opportunity.

It's fool enough to be an atheist, but it takes an even bigger fool to shoot themselves in their own foot the way you do.
Your desperation is showing.

Again.

Or rather, still.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#10755 Jan 9, 2013
Christian Worship & Hypnotic Manipulation

http://michaelsherlockauthor.blogspot.ca/2012...

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#10756 Jan 9, 2013
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>For someone who doesn't care what the Bible says, you sure spend a lot of time writing about it.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything you do. Try to please them all the time, not just when they are watching you. Serve them sincerely because of your reverent fear of the Lord.

Colossians 3:22

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