Don't dictate beliefs

Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11177 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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#10717 Jan 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
You of course make some great points. What I am saying is that I think at times we allow them to frame the argument to their liking. When while we can certainly factually destroy their lame apologetic nonsense, we need to remind frame the argument properly and not allow them to do the old Jesus vs Darwin debate for example.
In my pharmacology classes we learned that there is rarely a neat and pretty answer, something the theist has trouble with. We don't necessarily even expect such a pretty perfect answer. Often instead we look for the most right answer. Example: say you read a list of a woman's medications and get a grasp of her conditions. The doctor calls your pharmacy ordering four new medications. Each of these medications have negative ramifications with the other medications and/or conditions. YIKES! Here it comes! Which of the four medications will you fill and why. You of course are not allowed to say none even though none of these are perfect medications for the individual. Instead you have to pick the most right answer and explain why. Make sense?
Now when dealing with the notion of deities and or Jesus/Yahweh/Allah/insert god here, it all boils down to either (insert god here) exists or doesn't exist. Now everything being equal what do we do? We weigh out the facts and come to the most right answer that we can. So when one examines the facts as they are, is the best answer that those facts lead us to there being a deity in question or not?
This to me when it comes to the notion of deities is the key factor.
Sometimes you have to give them a little cheese to get them to attempt the maze.

“I see quantum effects”

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In the macro world.

#10718 Jan 9, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>Mark 16:15-16 ESV

And he said to them,“Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Matthew 28:19 ESV

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Revelation 14:6 ESV / 8 helpful votes

Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people.
Which is just one of the many things that totally suck about your religion.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#10719 Jan 9, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>Yes 10^12

String theory is well over 40 years old. It's that established?
String theory being what it is makes it almost in possible to test.
I don't know of a single physicist, though there are undoubtedly some, who ever considered string theory a slam dunk.

Your desperation is showing.

Screw your bible.

Join the real world. It's a wonderful place.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#10720 Jan 9, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know.
Then why do you say such stupid things?

“I see quantum effects”

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#10721 Jan 9, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>Yes there is. One item of evidence is the Bible.

I do know how life started its right there in the first few pages of the Bible.

Just because you can't get it to work your way doesn't mean we don't know how it really happened.
That would be funny if it weren't so pathetically stupid.

“I see quantum effects”

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#10722 Jan 9, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>"What if we ARE all alone? Scientists say Earth may be a 'one-off fluke' and the Milky Way's billions of other planets may all be lifeless"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...
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Yup.

What if.

And what if your god is a man made myth designed to get barbaric people to behave?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#10723 Jan 9, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>There is evidence in the words of the Bible. Reject all you want. I don't care.
There is evidence all over the world that the Bible is correct and truly the word of God. You won't find what you don't look for.
You will only find what you can't live without.

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#10724 Jan 9, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Great, now I have to figure out a more accurate descriptive of the bible. Maybe it's like Mr. Roger's writing smut ... erm ... that won't work either, would it? lol
I'm sorry.

“I see quantum effects”

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#10725 Jan 9, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>Goes with out saying.
I would say that there is hope for you, but I realize that you just don't understand what he said.

“I see quantum effects”

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#10726 Jan 9, 2013
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>We don't have to deal with it since it doesn't exist.

We read the Bible, and when “religion” doesn't match up to what the Bible teaches, we recognize it as religious heresy, not Christianity, and we reject it.

Thank you for demonstrating this to us in your post 10590, where you refer to “religious fraud”, which isn't Christianity.
No true Scotsman fallacy.

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#10727 Jan 9, 2013
derek4 wrote:
<quoted text>The “prosperity gospel” does not line up with Christianity, nor the Bible.
No true Scotsman fallacy again.

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#10728 Jan 9, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not the parts of the bible he didn't understand that worried him, it was the parts he did understand that disgusted him, and I agree.
He knows more of the smut you call the bible than you want to admit because you think you can trick naive children into following your command and buying your snake oil. The real reason you can't stand us atheists is because we work to prevent you from taking advantage of the naive minds, perverting them with your twisted lack of logic, destroying their wills to accomplish greatness just so you can pretend you know everything while you lack even basic comprehension of facts. Your level of intelligence is that of a gnat, stuck on a window pane, caught in the web of lies that your religion is made of. You know you're an idiot, so you must attempt to convince others to become as stupid as you so you don't feel like a total idiot. You are self centered and arrogant, yet unlike me, you did not earn that arrogance. You are a conman, a serpent charmer, and nothing more.
Does this mean we're not going to be best friends anymore?

lol

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#10729 Jan 9, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>It's not exactly smut, but the religitard world would consider it so. It is an adult book, that my children loved.
Seven Lady Godivas: The True Facts Concerning History's Barest Family by Dr. Suess. "The Seven Lady Godiva's, is a beautiful story of love, honor and scientific achievement.
I've had a "every body get's to thumb through this one" copy in my living room for over 20 years, and another mint copy hidden away.
http://www.amazon.com/Seven-Lady-Godivas-Conc...
It's painful to see you atheists fighting with each other, lol.

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#10730 Jan 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
First, why should anyone care about what the bible says? It's words have been changed more than a porn star's boyfriend.
Second, why should anyone accept god as anything more than the product of someone's imagination?
<quoted text>
For someone who doesn't care what the Bible says, you sure spend a lot of time writing about it.

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#10731 Jan 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
This is why I say we need to stop arguing science with the theists on here and in general. For one they don't comprehend what they are dying and asking they just repeat lines they steal from apologetic websites. They have no interest in learning and even if they did since when did atheists become free teachers for the world? When we allow them to make the conversation a god vs science argument it is a futile venture because of the above reasons and most importantly because we are allowing them to frame the debate to their fallacy filled liking.
Atheism is not believing in god/s. it's not evolution, the Big Bang, abiogenesis or science in general these are all different subjects and it's time we start holding their feet o the fire on showing evidence for what they believe instead of arguing unrelated science facts with people who couldn't grasp it if you paid them to.
<quoted text>
Right – since science fraud is disturbing to you, don't read material from “apologetic websites” like The New York Times, The Washington Post, and the various scientific journals that have been posted over the past 3 months.
Thinking

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#10732 Jan 9, 2013
Google is your friend.

http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>WTF is a cubit?

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#10733 Jan 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Speaking of meaningful posts maybe one of you theists can finally answer this question. Why should anyone accept god as anything more than the product of someone's imagination?
Stop being a coward answer the question.
<quoted text>
Is that the question you kept referring to? No wonder I couldn't remember, it's the same old question that atheists ask all the time – nothing sets it apart from the run-of-the-mill atheist questions we hear every day asking for proof of God. So why do you bother to ask it?

It's already been answered for you time and again in many different ways by Christians. If you choose not to accept the answers you've already been given over and over and over and over and over, then why do you need more answers? Are you just plain dense?[YES]

God is the Creator of heaven and earth and everything else. The Bible was not written by “someone”(s) imagination. It has many authors, spanning centuries. None of it has ever been proven untrue. People try all the time, and fail, because there are valid explanations for anything that on the surface appears to be a discrepancy. One part of it refers to another, confirms another, and all can be reconciled. Why would so many authors from so many centuries create an imaginary story? How could they confer with one another to do so when their lives did not overlap? Why would they endure persecution and die for an imaginary belief? What was to be gained?

Science is your god. It has failed you so many times.

Why should anyone accept science and it's fraud? Why should anyone believe Darwin, a sick bodied, sick minded man who conspired with fraudulent scientists to produce this “theory” back in the 1850's? What peer review groups checked out his work? How credible were the peer review groups? What of the unanswered or badly answered questions evolution has never resolved that have been posted here? You put your faith in all that? You truly live in a faith filled imaginary world full of potholes, fake evidence, and lies.

What about all the people like you who believed what Lamarck told them? They believed he was right, just as you believe Darwin was right. Lamarck was wrong. His followers were wrong. Darwin was wrong, and you are wrong.

http://www.arn.org/docs/dardoc1.htm

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#10734 Jan 9, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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No true Scotsman fallacy.
When you and Kitten can't find the words, you dismiss it with another “nothing” post. Hahahaha - way to go, atheists. I see that all the time – it's from atheist training school memo #101.

What's even funnier is that you both copied each other (or you copied her) and dismissed one point YOU made that I actually agreed with you on about the “prosperity gospel”. Had you been a faster thinker, you could have used that to your own advantage, but no, you hurt your own cause by missing the opportunity.

It's fool enough to be an atheist, but it takes an even bigger fool to shoot themselves in their own foot the way you do.

“ecrasez l'infame”

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Atlanta, Georgia

#10735 Jan 9, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Google is your friend.
http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/
<quoted text>
There's also another way to get the point across --

" http://lmgtfy.com/... ;

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#10736 Jan 9, 2013
Atheist Leo Tolstoy was miserable. His life was meaningless, and without purpose; filled with despair.

That's the ultimate destination of every person who subscribes to the atheist worldview.

According to atheists, all that's in the world, and the world itself is doomed to end in nothing but meaningless death and decay.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighb...

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