Don't dictate beliefs

Sep 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Star Press

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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“There is no Truth in Faith”

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Jan 8, 2013
 
Thinking wrote:
You're right of course. Brian was saying that there are greater energies in our upper atmosphere than the LHC can yield- so nothing new to worry about.
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Compressing matter in to a black hole does not increase it's gravitational pull overall. If the sun were to suddenly compress into a black hole, Earth's orbit would continue undisturbed.

Likewise, if you were to compress a coffee cup into a black hole, your orbit around it would continue unabated.

If we compress some subatomic particles into black holes, other atoms would continue to orbit around them as normal. Only if something were to come in contact with the black hole "horizon" directly would anything change. Given the size of the black holes generated by the LHC and in the upper atmosphere, the likelihood is they could pass between a hydrogen electron and nucleus without disturbing anything.

So, I don't see much to worry about.

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#10648
Jan 8, 2013
 
KJV wrote:
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Yes there is. One item of evidence is the Bible.
I do know how life started its right there in the first few pages of the Bible.
Just because you can't get it to work your way doesn't mean we don't know how it really happened.
How many times must you have this explained to you, the bible is the assertion, and it contains a lot of assertions. Assertions are not evidence.
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Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>You'll need to speak to KJV about that.

It's HIS claim. Not Khatru's.
They are called the Dead Sea scrolls.
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Jan 8, 2013
 
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>He keeps trying to use probability as an argument but doesn't actually understand probability enough to state his case.

So, like a broken record, he keeps making these stupid pronouncements that everybody else is wrong. He can't actually take it further to explain his math, he has none.

(Can I still say broken record with some assurance that readers even know what this implies? The reference seems so dated.)
Assume that the ribozyme is 300 nucleotides long, and that at each position there could be any of four nucleotides present. The chances of that ribozyme assembling are then 4^300, a number so large that it could not possibly happen by chance even once in 13 billion years, the age of the universe.

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KJV wrote:
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Assume that the ribozyme is 300 nucleotides long, and that at each position there could be any of four nucleotides present. The chances of that ribozyme assembling are then 4^300, a number so large that it could not possibly happen by chance even once in 13 billion years, the age of the universe.
If things happened in nature "by chance" they don't.

For example, if you jumped as high as you possibly could, which planet would you "randomly" come down on?
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Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>He keeps trying to use probability as an argument but doesn't actually understand probability enough to state his case.

So, like a broken record, he keeps making these stupid pronouncements that everybody else is wrong. He can't actually take it further to explain his math, he has none.

(Can I still say broken record with some assurance that readers even know what this implies? The reference seems so dated.)
"Watson suggests the number of evolutionary steps needed to create intelligent life, in the case of humans, is four. These include the emergence of single-celled bacteria, complex cells, specialized cells allowing complex life forms, and intelligent life with an established language.
“Complex life is separated from the simplest life forms by several very unlikely steps and therefore will be much less common. Intelligence is one step further, so it is much less common still,” said Prof Watson.
Watson’s model suggests an upper limit for the probability of each step occurring is 10 per cent or less, so the chances of intelligent life emerging is low — less than 0.01 per cent over four billion years."

Read more: http://www.universetoday.com/13741/the-odds-o...

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#10653
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Aerobatty wrote:
Religious fraud:
There is more money stolen in the name of God than any other way
Deborah Bortner, former president of the North American Securities Administrators Association (NASAA). We want to encourage a general open discussion here about religious fraud and excess.
More at:
http://religiousfraud.org/
Good topic! Religious fraud is the oldest fraud.

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Micro black holes have been postulated and are predicted by some theories of cosmology, but they have not been actually observed as yet. The main difficulty is how they would be produced. Under some cosmological theories, they are made in the very early universe when there are large density fluctuations. The problem is that smaller black holes evaporate by Hawking radiation and there doesn't appear to be any way to produce new ones after that initial phase.
OK, thanks. Does that mean that they may never have existed, or that if they did, they may have all evaporated away by now?
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Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>He keeps trying to use probability as an argument but doesn't actually understand probability enough to state his case.

So, like a broken record, he keeps making these stupid pronouncements that everybody else is wrong. He can't actually take it further to explain his math, he has none.

(Can I still say broken record with some assurance that readers even know what this implies? The reference seems so dated.)
"What if we ARE all alone? Scientists say Earth may be a 'one-off fluke' and the Milky Way's billions of other planets may all be lifeless"

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All attempts to prove micro black holes has failed. While they do exist on paper we can't find or make any so far. If fact the micro black hole is giving string theory a bit of a hard time.
""Back in 2006 there was a lot of talk of testing String Theory. Well, today CERN has released a statement for the Compact Muon Solenoid Experiment. The short of it is simply that as far as they could tell,'No experimental evidence for microscopic black holes has been found.' The long statement indicates that since the highly precise CMS detector found no spray of sub-atomic particles of normal matter while LHC smashed particles together, the hypothesis by String Theory that micro black holes would be formed and quickly evaporated in this experiment was incorrect. These tests have given the team confidence to say that they can exclude a 'variety of theoretical models' for the cases of black holes with a mass of 3.5-4.5 TeV (1012 electron volts). Not Even Wrong points us to the arxiv prepublication for those of you well versed in Greek. While you may not be able to run around claiming that String Theory is dead and disproved, evidently there are some adjustments that need to be made."
http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/12/16/14...
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Jan 8, 2013
 
KJV wrote:
The Bible teaches us that God made all animals in a mature state So if this is correct then the chicken came first. Back to the old argument I'm afraid. Lol.
Not for me. The bible isn't authoritative without faith.
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Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>He keeps trying to use probability as an argument but doesn't actually understand probability enough to state his case.

So, like a broken record, he keeps making these stupid pronouncements that everybody else is wrong. He can't actually take it further to explain his math, he has none.

(Can I still say broken record with some assurance that readers even know what this implies? The reference seems so dated.)
"Evolutionists generally believe that although the spontaneous generation of life from non-living matter was a highly improbable event, the amount of time available is long enough to overcome this problem. This fallacy is because they (and most of us, really) just haven’t gotten around to some actual calculating on some of these problems.
The difficult thing is to conceive the size of some of the figures obtained. James F. Coppedge in the bookEvolution: Possible or Impossible? has given some fascinating examples, one of which is here presented. Consider first this statement from the evolutionist George Wald writing on The Origin of Life in the Scientific American (1954):
Time is in fact the hero of the plot. The time with which we have to deal is of the order of two billion years. What we regard as impossible on the basis of human experience is meaningless there. Given so much time, the “impossible” becomes possible; the possible probable, and the probable virtually certain. One has only to wait; time itself performs the miracles.
Now using Coppedge’s figures, let’s take a look at the time it would take for one simple gene to arrange itself by chance. Remember, natural selection cannot operate until a self-replicating system is produced. Of course, this gene by itself is still only a dead molecule in the absence of other genes and other complex chemicals all perfectly arranged in time and space. Nevertheless, let us use as many sets as there are atoms in the universe. Let us give chance the unbelievable number of attempts of eight trillion tries per second in each set! At this speed on average it would take 10^147 years to obtain just one stable gene. What does this number really mean? Let’s look at Coppedge’s example; assume we have an amoeba—and let’s assume that this little creature is given the task of carrying matter, one atom at a time from one edge of the universe to the other (though to be about thirty billion light years in diameter). Let’s further assume that this amoeba moves at the incredible slow pace of one Angstrom until (about the diameter of a hydrogen atom) every fifteen billion years (this is the assumed age of the universe assigned by many evolutionists). How much matter could this amoeba carry in this time calculated to arrange just one usable gene by chance? The answer is that he would be able to carry 2 x 10^21 complete universes!
This means that all the people living on earth, man, woman and child, counting day and night, would be counting for five thousand years just to count the number of entire universes which this amoeba would have transported across a distance of thirty billion light years, one atom at a time.
Coppedge’s book makes fascinating reading in other respects and is one of the few works that really comes to grips with this matter of molecular biology and probability mathematics.
Evolutionists would have us believe that modern molecular biology lends its support to their world view, but the more information comes to hand, the more preposterous the whole idea of a naturalistic origin of life becomes."

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cm/v...
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KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Age doesn't matter. It's not fully established yet, end of story.
Well ok it must be true if KK says so.

It won't be established either.
String theory is dying pretty fast.
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Jan 8, 2013
 
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>No argument, the chicken egg came first.
Then it's a good thing Adam wasn't into
Omelets for breakfast yet!

Just think, there would be no KFC today if Adam had eaten those eggs on his first morning.
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KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>How many times must you have this explained to you, the bible is the assertion, and it contains a lot of assertions. Assertions are not evidence.
There is evidence in the words of the Bible. Reject all you want. I don't care.
There is evidence all over the world that the Bible is correct and truly the word of God. You won't find what you don't look for.
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Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>If things happened in nature "by chance" they don't.

For example, if you jumped as high as you possibly could, which planet would you "randomly" come down on?
So what you're saying is that nature designed life on earth?
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It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Not for me. The bible isn't authoritative without faith.
Goes with out saying.

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KJV wrote:
First off there is not enough data in that passage to determine if the accuracy that you're requiring was in fact needed
It was if the bowl was to be round. If not, the ratio of the diameter to the circumference could approach two.
KJV wrote:
Remember in using just whole numbers Pi = 3
Pi was never discussed in the bible. If you want to use whole numbers only, try 31 and 10. It's closer.
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The diameter of the basin would be the inside diameter, measured from side to side. But the circumference would be measured by placing a cord around the outside, then measuring the length of the cord.
Says who, besides Christians?
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Jan 8, 2013
 
I don't buy your sh!t fast food. I cook, or I dine.

Kan't Fry Chicken can go f**k itself.
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Then it's a good thing Adam wasn't into
Omelets for breakfast yet!
Just think, there would be no KFC today if Adam had eaten those eggs on his first morning.
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Jan 8, 2013
 
So called because they're dead stupid. Keep scrolling.
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They are called the Dead Sea scrolls.

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