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# Don't dictate beliefs

There are 11176 comments on the The Star Press story from Sep 5, 2012, titled Don't dictate beliefs. In it, The Star Press reports that:

No one else can say otherwise? That is basically saying those who do "believe in God" are better? Hardly.

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“Think&Care”

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#10556 Jan 7, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Where is the math wrong?
Pi is not equal to 3.14. The latter is a fair approximation, but they are not equal.

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#10557 Jan 7, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"It's not the approximation I use for pi. "
No one uses Pi it's always an approximation. How many digits
Do you use? 12, 30, 50,000?
How many digits do you think were required to build this bowl?
I know 3.14 is all they needed.
3.14 is what is in the Bible.
3.14 is the most common used number for Pi.
So *say* that the values are approximate.
KJV

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#10558 Jan 7, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>Pi is not equal to 3.14. The latter is a fair approximation, but they are not equal.
Really?
Do you think that just might be why I posted that the MOST COMMON number used for Pi is 3.14 then asked if he took it the 12 digit or the 30 digit or the 50,000 digit?

It's all in how far you want to take the number. If you were dealing in nothing but whole numbers then Pi would be 3.
KJV

United States

#10559 Jan 7, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>So *say* that the values are approximate.
Like you can't figure that out?
They were measuring with their
Forearms and hands for God sake!

And you guy want Pi carried out to 1000 digits!

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Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#10560 Jan 7, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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So? How does that change the calculated value of pi?
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No, 3 times this is 3.141509434 and pi=3.1415926535... More importantly, 3*(111/106) is rational (the ratio of two integers) and pi is irrational.
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Meaningless drivel. The name for the ratio of the circumference and the diameter was not given by the Greeks, but by Leonard Euler in the 1700's. So you are looking at a name given by a European, the name being greek, and your claim is that a text can be interpreted to give that name. Can we say delusional?
The name is a *convention* and not something determined by the mathematics itself. If anything, 2*pi is more fundamental than pi.
I think that the point is that nomadic goat herders didn't know what a decimil was at the time.

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#10561 Jan 8, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>I think that the point is that nomadic goat herders didn't know what a decimil was at the time.
The only pi they knew about was one containing animal sacrifes to appease their demented deity.

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#10562 Jan 8, 2013
Taking a break from the forum. Have fun y'all.

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#10563 Jan 8, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
Again, you support the evidence for the Big Bang theory. Thanks again.

Black holes have been found. Most galaxies have a supermassive black hole at their core. There are also smaller ones produced from supernova explosions. The speculation that black holes provide a substantial part of the Dark matter has been shown wrong, however. There are limits to the amount of baryonic matter as a fraction of the total amount of matter (ordinary plus dark) and a large number of black holes would violate these observations.
Very interesting. Thanks for the cosmology lessons.

How about micro black holes? Aren't there also black holes much less massive than supernova remnants?

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#10564 Jan 8, 2013
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The only pi they knew about was one containing animal sacrifes to appease their demented deity.
I think that shepard's pie would be a more accurate comment.

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#10565 Jan 8, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
An analogy I like is to imagine alternatively putting a penny and a nickel in a pile of coins. At the beginning, you don't have a lot of money in the pile, but eventually, there will be billions of dollars. Which coin made the total go from not a lot of money to a lot of money?

The point is that it is a gradual transition with no firm boundaries because the definition of 'a lot' is vague. Similarly, the transition from non-chicken to chicken was a long, gradual process with no clear boundary between the two. At each stage, there is an alternation between egg and animal, but there is no sharp line to being a chicken.
This is a nice teaching aid to make that point:
http://i.imgur.com/xWpvw.jpg

But I also admired (Topix poster) thinking's point that the idea of there being a boundary immediately solves the chicken-egg problem. If we stipulate to the premise that one day, a pre-chicken suffered a mutation and was the parent of the first chicken, then of course the egg it laid - a chicken egg - came first.

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#10566 Jan 8, 2013
derek4 wrote:
Put the Bible down? What should I read in place of it - science mythology about evolution?
Read a catsup bottle or a billboard. Baby steps.

Even if you don't read anything, you're time will be better spent than it would have been reading the bible. Sit on the sofa and stare at the TV. That's time better spent. Or sit on the TV and stare at the sofa. That's time better spent as well.

Praying, too. What a waste.

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#10567 Jan 8, 2013
derek4 wrote:
Thanks for sharing. We can see why the author is anonymous.
Yeah. Because we don't know who he is.

Was that an insult of the anonymous quote? Did you not realize that most of your bible is anonymous. Nobody knows who wrote it. Do you want to know how stupid it sounds to say that Moses wrote this, or Luke that? It sounds like saying that Tim or Billy wrote it. Billy who? Luke who?

You're a pip, Dim. That's what you are.

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#10568 Jan 8, 2013
derek4 wrote:
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The last thing I would ever want to do is to be rude to Hedonist, but I was disappointed in him for accusing you of being quick to judge people in his post 10489. Actually, it sounds like he was doing a bit of judging himself, lol. He should have shot his arrow at me since I first posted about him being a theology drop out. But then, I wasn't judging him- I was simply stating what he posted himself sometime ago, and neither were you, since you just elaborated a bit on it.
I was interested to see that he found something easier to understand than theology when he went out into the country to breed horses. And, of course I was pleased to learn that he has now moved up to his big high rise in Atlanta, which is as close as he'll ever get to heaven.
Oh, no - you're not judging anybody.

This is you being snide and snarky because you can't be overtly judgmental. Your god forbids it. How stupid do you think your god is? Your relationship with it is infantile. You're like a kid hiding his face in his hands and thinking that he can't be seen.

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#10569 Jan 8, 2013
But you said *everyone* uses it.

They don't.

You're wrong.

Again.
KJV wrote:
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Really?
Do you think that just might be why I posted that the MOST COMMON number used for Pi is 3.14 then asked if he took it the 12 digit or the 30 digit or the 50,000 digit?
It's all in how far you want to take the number. If you were dealing in nothing but whole numbers then Pi would be 3.

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#10570 Jan 8, 2013
KJV wrote:
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LOL
Is that what you should use at KFC to pay the bill?
Naaahhh - KFC can spot fakes  those chicken coins are only good for donation plates at atheist churches, where people love frauds.

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#10571 Jan 8, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Hmmm
Let's ask Mark Twain again - I know you like what he has to say.
"It is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies."
"The Christian's Bible is a drug store. Its contents remain the same; but the medical practice changes...The world has corrected the Bible. The church never corrects it; and also never fails to drop in at the tail of the procession- and take the credit of the correction. During many ages there were witches. The Bible said so. the Bible commanded that they should not be allowed to live. Therefore the Church, after eight hundred years, gathered up its halters, thumb-screws, and firebrands, and set about its holy work in earnest. She worked hard at it night and day during nine centuries and imprisoned, tortured, hanged, and burned whole hordes and armies of witches, and washed the Christian world clean with their foul blood.
Then it was discovered that there was no such thing as witches, and never had been. One does not know whether to laugh or to cry.....There are no witches. The witch text remains; only the practice has changed. Hell fire is gone, but the text remains. Infant damnation is gone, but the text remains. More than two hundred death penalties are gone from the law books, but the texts that authorized them remain."
Now we know why you didn't want to read the Bible. You didn't want to plough through to understand it.The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn was more on your level of comprehension.

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#10572 Jan 8, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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And it wouldn't surprise me if you never actually get a point.
Try making one sometime and we'll see.

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#10573 Jan 8, 2013

The U.S. Department of Health & Human Services found that she doped experiments, she falsified data  she even created fictitious resources to document her work. Her talents went beyond just science, lol.

Thanks to the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services, she was caught up with, even though it took ten years.

Columbia University revoked her Ph D.

Ms Sezen did her work under the guiding hand of Dalibor Sames, her Associate Professor at Columbia.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/doing-goo...

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#10574 Jan 8, 2013
This psychologist admits he faked dozens of scientific studies, and he admits,I have failed as a scientist.

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#10575 Jan 8, 2013
Are there any solutions to all the deception and fraud in publishing scientific reasearch?

How can we assure the public that our scientific literature has any integrity?

Prevention of dishonest research is very difficult, and existing peer-review teams can only detect some of the most obvious fraud.

What about the rest of it?

http://scholarworks.umass.edu/intljssw/vol1/i...

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